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Post by Homeslice on Jun 9, 2009 7:29:04 GMT -5
Probably. Either him or Takeda. Maybe Yamamoto if he can get his head on straight. Seriously.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jun 9, 2009 15:00:37 GMT -5
Probably. Either him or Takeda. Maybe Yamamoto if he can get his head on straight. Seriously. For three present tournaments in a row my circuits sizzle, when is he not gonna screw up? Every time I tune in to the latest tournament I expect "okay, he's gonna get it this time." First half pipe attack... then flying chute... and then path..
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Post by Homeslice on Jun 9, 2009 15:38:42 GMT -5
Makes you wonder about next time, don't it?
It will outweigh the part of you that thinks he'll get it all together next time. By a mile.
(Although I still think 20 wasn't his fault, despite the naysayers that claim that he fell from the Half Pipe Attack on purpose, which clearly he didn't do.)
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jun 10, 2009 4:23:45 GMT -5
Makes you wonder about next time, don't it? It will outweigh the part of you that thinks he'll get it all together next time. By a mile. So does that mean you agree or disagree?..
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Post by Homeslice on Jun 10, 2009 7:35:59 GMT -5
I think I'm agreeing. I mean, I want and hope for Yamamoto to get back to his old self, but just have that feeling something will happen again. Just cross our fingers, I guess.
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Post by ouchthathurtstv on Jun 10, 2009 11:06:13 GMT -5
I reckon Yamamamoto is in for a Slider Jump wipeout.
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Post by Homeslice on Jun 10, 2009 11:49:12 GMT -5
Next time, I reckon we'll have at least Nagano and Takeda clearing, and possibly - if he comes back - Shiratori also. Akiyama, Yamamoto and Yamada have a bit of catching up to do in terms of their game. Akiyama has one thing going for him though: he doesn't appear to be battling any mental demons. Sadly though, his sight's just getting worse. Hopefully it won't stop him anytime soon.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 10, 2009 12:31:46 GMT -5
I reckon Yamamamoto is in for a Slider Jump wipeout. Yamamamoto = ya-mama-moto = yo mamm moto... Sorry, just thought the extra ma made it sounds funny. Takeda and Shingo are just now reaching their primes. Everyone else is passed, Nagano is passed but barely. He'll still do good I just think he's passed his absolute best. People are saying he's not past it because he's still doing good. That doesn't mean anything. Prime means his ABSOLUTE BEST. I think he's past that. He still does good but that doesn't mean he isn't past his prime. I just think his downfall will be very gradual.
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 11, 2009 16:06:25 GMT -5
I think after Nagano's performance in 21 he's still at his absolute best. Just about all of us thought Nagano would be a 2-time champ if the Gliding Ring wasn't the Grinding Ring at the very end. He ain't declining yet.
Takeda's hitting his prime and the gap between his abilities and Nagano's is shrinking.
Yamamoto, meh, depends on how much time he can devote to training. It's amazing he's only in his mid-30's after 22 tourneys so he still has time for greatness if he wants it.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 11, 2009 16:17:54 GMT -5
My answer to "Are the All-Stars past their prime?"
Nagano- eh, I honestly don't know if he's reached his prime...although, this is the same guy who failed Stage 1 twice, made it to the Pipe Slider, failed the Jump Hang, then went to the Final Stage 3 times in a row...so, idk
Takeda- I don't know, I really don't
Katsumi- Yup, his prime was around Sasuke 3...
Shingo- he's past his prime, but he could still make a run into Stage 3...
Akiyama- 4 was his prime...other than that, same as Shingo.
Shiratori- I think not...he needs to stay healthy...it's kind of ironic that in some of his vids, he's shown in, like, doctor's clothes helping some guy on an exercise bike...yet he's not keeping himself healthy...
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Post by ouchthathurtstv on Jun 14, 2009 11:30:29 GMT -5
I think Shiratori could make it as far as the 2nd stage now but I don't think he'll do it in 23. I think he'll fail the Half-pipe Attack. If not that then the slider jump.
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Post by BLM on Jun 14, 2009 19:20:47 GMT -5
I think Shiratori could make it as far as the 2nd stage now but I don't think he'll do it in 23. I think he'll fail the Half-pipe Attack. If not that then the slider jump. I agree i have always thought that Shiritori would fall on the HA or SJ
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Post by Badalight on Jun 19, 2009 16:46:42 GMT -5
Takeda- I don't know, I really don't Shingo- he's past his prime, but he could still make a run into Stage 3... Shiratori- I think not...he needs to stay healthy...it's kind of ironic that in some of his vids, he's shown in, like, doctor's clothes helping some guy on an exercise bike...yet he's not keeping himself healthy... I disagree with these 3. Well... for Takeda I believe he is just now reaching his prime. He's better than he's ever been despite making some silly mistakes, he has the ability to make it to the final stage now. Shingo, he isn't past his prime, he hasn't reached it yet. He's still young and if it weren't for his constant slip-ups ins tage 1 he'd be making it quite far. And Bunpei, he's past his prime. Even if an injury heals it's not gone forever, it's going to pester him for the rest of his life, and with his old age it'll be even worse for him. He's not getting any younger. Knee injuries are especially bad, and of course his back injury. I don't see him ever making it FAR into stage 3 again. He could probably beat the cliff-hanger on a good day but he won't reach the final stage.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 21, 2009 17:32:14 GMT -5
Just making a comment here.
In the Ninja Fest 4 preview show Makoto Nagano said himself "I'm past my peak"
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Post by BLM on Jun 21, 2009 20:24:33 GMT -5
Just making a comment here. In the Ninja Fest 4 preview show Makoto Nagano said himself "I'm past my peak" This proves that i am right that he is past his prime
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Post by Oti on Jun 21, 2009 21:31:18 GMT -5
No it doesn't. Just because he's Nagano doesn't mean he knows anything. He could step up his training and reach a whole new level for all he knows. Doing that could also kill him. He doesn't know any better than we do.
Besides, who cares? Always train and always improve. You shouldn't worry about your "peak". That implies a limit.
My peak is going to be the instant before I die.
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Post by lazarus0280 on Jun 21, 2009 23:17:04 GMT -5
I'm new to the sport but not counting age....with the growth of the sport and the total redesign of the courses that is a pretty understandable monkey wrench in their stats. Prior to nagano beating the course how significant of a change did we see? I didn't watch the first couple but I'd say wasn't overly significant. Bear in mind these guys were building replicas in their backyards. That is hard to do when you have ziplines and things of that nature. So, these guys are relearning the new "standard" as well. They have been alot better then the average competitor as well. 18 was pretty weak as was 19. 20=22 they started picking it up....being familiar with the obsticles.
Though I kind of agree that they all may have lost a slight step.....age....where they are in their lives, ambassadors of the sport etc. they are there to have fun, compete, and now teach. With the nature of the sport I hope to see them til they are 50. While I know I wouldn't laugh at them as I do Octopus, the fact they are there, the ones who have molded the sport, to compete, even if it is amongst themselves is fantastic.
While we all love Nagano for his success, that is our failure as a society, in my opinion of course. They are all heroes for going out and competing to the best of their ability....if they fail...they smile (most cases anyway) and come back. While all the time cheering on their friends and competitors. Though....in my mind they aren't competing with anyone but themselves, the clock and the course. I guarantee, if any of us were to make it to final stage, amongst those "allstars" we'd have friends for life.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 22, 2009 10:28:41 GMT -5
What I found amusing that the comment Nagano made about being past his prime was made a week before Sasuke 22. AFTER Sasuke 22 he did a radio interview and they asked him "they want you to retire don't they?" and he really took offense to it. The All stars felt that the announcer and everyone Sasuke were all trying to bring them down and step past to allow the next generation to move on. Since then they have all decided that it was Sasuke's way to give them a kick in the pants to get into real training. None of them have trained the way they used to and they are not done yet. He is far from being old (even he said so) and the radio interviewer was goofing around with the "arafo" (meaning around 40 group) basically echoing what he was saying that around 40 it seems that there is a resurgence of life again where people start up redoing their life. Getting married having kids, (having affairs.. LOL), etc. So given his experience (and all the allstars experience).. they have since taken offense to people wanting them to retire and are refocusing their training to prove that they are NOT old.
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 22, 2009 12:39:57 GMT -5
No it doesn't. Just because he's Nagano doesn't mean he knows anything. He could step up his training and reach a whole new level for all he knows. Doing that could also kill him. He doesn't know any better than we do. Besides, who cares? Always train and always improve. You shouldn't worry about your "peak". That implies a limit. My peak is going to be the instant before I die. Oti, if you're 65 you're not going to be as strong as you were when you were 25 (unless you were really weak when you were 25). The body slowly shuts down after time. You can supplement the hell out of your life, but you will slowly lose your abilities over time. That's just life. Everyone has a peak, it's more a question of how sharp the ascent/descent is.
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Post by Oti on Jun 22, 2009 21:16:40 GMT -5
I don't buy that. I don't like putting limits on myself. I won't argue, though.
Arsenette, it really bugs me the way the announcers keeps going on and on about a new generation of all-stars. If anyone there could do as consistently-well as the current ones, we would have them already.
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