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Post by shunsukenumber98 on May 29, 2024 21:26:24 GMT -5
Ina rent thread, i placed number 91-100 in how I believe the numbers should be placed for sasuke 28-40. This time around, i did so, for sasuke 10-27, to help fix up some weird number systems for some tournaments (eg sasuke 19 & 22), and rearrange them to how I believe the numbers should be placed. Here is my numbering do let me know what u all think:
Sasuke 10:
991-Asaoka
992-Iketani
993-(Rando Athlete)
994-Nakiyama
995-Nakata
996-Shingo
997-Akiyama
998-Takeda
999-Nagano
1000-Yamada
Sasuke 11:
91-Arai Kenichi
92-Shingo
93-Hidenori Nagasawa
94-Takeda
95-Asaoka
96-Nagano
97-Akiyama
98-Nakata
99-Iketani
100-Yamada
Sasuke 12:
91-Iketani
92-Akiyama
93-Asaoka
94-Takeda
95-Yamada
96-Nakata
97-Jorden Jovtchev
98-Shingo
99-Shinji
100-Nagano
Sasuke 13:
91-Shinji
92-Koji Yamada
93-Nakata
94-Iketani
95-Masaaki Kobayashi
96-Akiyama
97-Shingo
98-Takeda
99-Bunpei
100-Nagano
Sasuke 14:
91-Masaaki Kobayashi
92-Kosuke Yamaguchi
93-Iketani
94-Yamada
95-Jorden Jovtchev
96-Shingo
97-Asaoka
98-Takeda
99-Bunpei
100-Nagano
Sasuke 15:
91-Iketani
92-Masaaki Kobayashi
93-Asaoka
94-Bunpei
95-Yamada
96-Shingo
97-Jorden Jovtchev
98-Takeda
99-Shinji
100-Nagano
Sasuke 16:
91-Akiyama
92-Shunsuke
93-Yamada
94-Nakata
95-Jorden Jovtchev
96-Koji Yamada
97-Shingo
98-Bunpei
99-Takeda
100-Nagano
Sasuke 17:
91-Shunsuke
92-Lee En Chi
93-Nakata
94-Paul Anthony Terek
95-Shingo
96-Takeda
97-Yamada
98-Koji Yamada
99-Bunpei
100-Nagano
Sasuke 18:
91-Takamasa Nagasaki
92-Shinji Kobayashi
93-Hiromichi Sato
94-Yamada
95-Kenji
96-Bunpei
97-Shingo
98-Takeda
99-Shunsuke
100-Nagano
Sasuke 19:
91-Yamada
92-Takamasa Nagasaki
93-Washimi
94-Koji Yamada
95-Bunpei
96-Shingo
97-Takeda
98-Kenji
99-Shunsuke
100-Nagano
Sasuke 20:
1991-Iketani
1992-Kenji
1993-Jorden Jovtchev
1994-Takamasa Nagasaki
1995-Levi
1996-Yamada
1997-Shingo
1998-Washimi
1999-Takeda
2000-Nagano
Sasuke 21:
91-Washimi
92-Yamada
93-Nakata
94-Iketani
95-Shingo
96-Bunpei
97-Takeda
98-Okuyama
99-Levi
100-Nagano
Sasuke 22:
91-Okuyama
92-Hiromichi Sato
93-Lee En Chi
94-Levi
95-Yamada
96-Akiyama
97-Shingo
98-Miyazaki
99-Takeda
100-Nagano
Sasuke 23:
91-Brian Orosco
92-Lee En Chi
93-Okuyama
94-Jorden Jovtchev
95-Levi
96-Shingo
97-Takeda
98-Kanno
99-Yuji
100-Nagano
Sasuke 24:
91- Hiromichi Sato
92-Shingo
93-Iketani
94-Lee En Chi
95-Okuyama
96-Yuji
97-Takeda
98-Kenji
99-Kanno
100-Nagano
Sasuke 25:
91-Kanno
92-Tajima
93-Shingo
94-Takeda
95-Lee En Chi
96-Kongu
97-Nagano
98-Okuyama
99-Hashimoto
100-Yuji
Sasuke 26:
91-Brian Orosco
92-Shingo
93-Miyazaki
94-Kanno
95-Kongu
96-Nagano
97-Okuyama
98-Hashimoto
99-Lee En Chi
100-Yuji
Sasuke 27:
91-Kongu
92-Shingo
93-Paul Kasmier
94-Kanno
95-David Campbell
96-Nagano
97-Koji Hashimoto
98-Okuyama
99-Lee En Chi
100-Yuji
Would appreciate some questions you guys have regarding my list, all be more than happy to answer some questions. Also, this placement is just my take and its not based on any side of realism.
Also, bear in mind i may edit this list and change up some stuff if needed.
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Post by dakohosu on May 30, 2024 11:35:50 GMT -5
Not going to do mine for every single one here as this is 180 names! But few things I'd say:
- I would argue that Jovtchev did indeed deserve #99 in 12 due to him being the most recent returning Finalist barring Nagano. I would've probably put Shinji as the highest number for a non-All-Star or non-Finalist, like #95 or something. Especially considering Shinji got cut in 12 it would've been weird to have him as #99.
- Agreed on not putting Akiyama in the 90s in his later tournaments, as he didn't want to run in the dark due to his eyesight problems.
- Personally I don't think a Stage 2 run, regardless of how hard the course is, is deserving of a number like #98 if the competitor hasn't had deeper runs in the past and/or isn't a celebrity. For me it's a balance between relativity and absolute performance. Competitors like Takamasa and Washimi aren't really considered to be elite/are frequently forgotten about because they don't have Stage 3 runs to their name. Low 90s? Sure. This is just my own opinion though.
- I do get why competitors like Wakky and Miyazaki got 90s in their first runs in 20 because of how well known they were AND the fact they were Pro Sportsman champions, especially as they were more famous than competitors like Terek, and somewhat comparable to Hiromichi Sato as a celebrity from that era. Maybe not #97 and #98 like they got, but low #90s for sure.
- I personally wouldn't have put Nagano any lower than #99 from 25-27 because of his legacy/impact on the show. I would've had him as #99 in 25, and #100 in 26-27 due to Yuuji not being able to perform with the pressure of wearing the number, and realistically no one else fit the bill for #100 bar Nagano.
- I'm not adverse to the occasional semi-randomisation of numbers like we got in 18 and 25 just to change things up and not have all the stronger guys shoe horned in the 90s (too many joke competitors failing the same obstacles in succession was an issue during this era). I say semi because I still think that the champions need to occupy the top spots, they can't be given like #10 or something, while randos wearing high #90s is underwhelming. I think what they did in 25 was good, they had separate lotteries for the former Finalists/notable competitors to make sure they were spread out more throughout the field, while Akiyama, Nagano, and Yuuji wore #98-100. 18 was too random imo, which they even knew hence they gave Nagano #96 when he initially got somewhere in the #50s.
- Your choices for at least 14, 17, 19, 22, and 27 are WAY better than what we got, as all of these tournaments shared a key issue where we had a load of randos (or rando athletes) in the 90s whom got cut or digested, making what should be the most exciting part of the stage..... not?
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Post by shunsukenumber98 on May 30, 2024 11:56:46 GMT -5
Not going to do mine for every single one here as this is 180 names! But few things I'd say: - I would argue that Jovtchev did indeed deserve #99 in 12 due to him being the most recent returning Finalist barring Nagano. I would've probably put Shinji as the highest number for a non-All-Star or non-Finalist, like #95 or something. Especially considering Shinji got cut in 12 it would've been weird to have him as #99. - Agreed on not putting Akiyama in the 90s in his later tournaments, as he didn't want to run in the dark due to his eyesight problems. - Personally I don't think a Stage 2 run, regardless of how hard the course is, is deserving of a number like #98 if the competitor hasn't had deeper runs in the past and/or isn't a celebrity. For me it's a balance between relativity and absolute performance. Competitors like Takamasa and Washimi aren't really considered to be elite/are frequently forgotten about because they don't have Stage 3 runs to their name. Low 90s? Sure. This is just my own opinion though. - I do get why competitors like Wakky and Miyazaki got 90s in their first runs in 20 because of how well known they were AND the fact they were Pro Sportsman champions, especially as they were more famous than competitors like Terek, and somewhat comparable to Hiromichi Sato as a celebrity from that era. Maybe not #97 and #98 like they got, but low #90s for sure. - I personally wouldn't have put Nagano any lower than #99 from 25-27 because of his legacy/impact on the show. I would've had him as #99 in 25, and #100 in 26-27 due to Yuuji not being able to perform with the pressure of wearing the number, and realistically no one else fit the bill for #100 bar Nagano. - I'm not adverse to the occasional semi-randomisation of numbers like we got in 18 and 25 just to change things up and not have all the stronger guys shoe horned in the 90s (too many joke competitors failing the same obstacles in succession was an issue during this era). I say semi because I still think that the champions need to occupy the top spots, they can't be given like #10 or something, while randos wearing high #90s is underwhelming. I think what they did in 25 was good, they had separate lotteries for the former Finalists/notable competitors to make sure they were spread out more throughout the field, while Akiyama, Nagano, and Yuuji wore #98-100. 18 was too random imo, which they even knew hence they gave Nagano #96 when he initially got somewhere in the #50s. - Your choices for at least 14, 17, 19, 22, and 27 are WAY better than what we got, as all of these tournaments shared a key issue where we had a load of randos (or rando athletes) in the 90s whom got cut or digested, making what should be the most exciting part of the stage..... not? Here are some of my comments to your stuff: -don't think i would place Jorden at 99 in 12 due to the fact that he was returning after a short hiatus. And when he did return, there were already other better candidates to take that 99 bib. Still would have placed him at a high number though -regarding stage 2 runs from competitors in the 90s, my reasoning was because there weren't a lot of other people who could have taken that spot, and honestly, i would much rather seen some stage 2 fiddlers over a rando who had no chance of clearing cause at least that stage 2 fiddler has a shot of clearing -regarding famous competitors, i would much rather them in the low 90s if there is no one else that could wear those low 90s numbers, and that those competitors have a shot of doing well (eg: Miayzaki) -Not sure if i agree on placing Nagano at 99 from sasuke 25 onwards. He was clearing declining and honestly, i say this was a time when there was a new generation that was going to take his place, which is why I placed the others such as Hashimoto at 99 due to them now being the new stars who are about to take off where the all stars left and because of that, a higher number like 99 is needed to give them at credit. Not trying to diss on nagano or anything, he is of course still a amazing competitor but at tat point, it seemed like the flame in him was dying a bit -Re randomised numbers, not really a fan of it as it does ruin the last 10 runs for me, when that is suppose to be the best runs of the tournament and what everyone is waiting for those runs, so.... -regarding Yuji and 100 pressure, not sure if that 100 pressure would affect him all that much when he wore 99 and still kazened when 99 still carries a significant amount of pressure this placement is of course my opinion, and not on any side of realism, i appreciate other people's opinion and feedback thanks for the comment! I encourage others to make their own personal list too! |
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Post by dakohosu on May 30, 2024 12:23:15 GMT -5
Here are some of my comments to your stuff: -don't think i would place Jorden at 99 in 12 due to the fact that he was returning after a short hiatus. And when he did return, there were already other better candidates to take that 99 bib. Still would have placed him at a high number though -regarding stage 2 runs from competitors in the 90s, my reasoning was because there weren't a lot of other people who could have taken that spot, and honestly, i would much rather seen some stage 2 fiddlers over a rando who had no chance of clearing cause at least that stage 2 fiddler has a shot of clearing -regarding famous competitors, i would much rather them in the low 90s if there is no one else that could wear those low 90s numbers, and that those competitors have a shot of doing well (eg: Miayzaki) -Not sure if i agree on placing Nagano at 99 from sasuke 25 onwards. He was clearing declining and honestly, i say this was a time when there was a new generation that was going to take his place, which is why I placed the others such as Hashimoto at 99 due to them now being the new stars who are about to take off where the all stars left and because of that, a higher number like 99 is needed to give them at credit. Not trying to diss on nagano or anything, he is of course still a amazing competitor but at tat point, it seemed like the flame in him was dying a bit -Re randomised numbers, not really a fan of it as it does ruin the last 10 runs for me, when that is suppose to be the best runs of the tournament and what everyone is waiting for those runs, so.... -regarding Yuji and 100 pressure, not sure if that 100 pressure would affect him all that much when he wore 99 and still kazened when 99 still carries a significant amount of pressure this placement is of course my opinion, and not on any side of realism, i appreciate other people's opinion and feedback thanks for the comment! I encourage others to make their own personal list too! I think it's easy to say there were better competitors than Jordan at the time in retrospect, because we obviously know that all of his later attempts were just Cliffhanger fails. But at the time, he had only competed once, and had made the Final Stage in his only attempt on a wet course, so they put him at #99 because no one else in that era had had such a strong first run and hence positioned him as the "one to watch out for", kind of like how many #99s were decided. This is evident by the fact that once he started to show he couldn't beat the Cliffhanger Kai, he got numbers like #91, #95 etc. But personally, I would've put him at #99 in 12 purely because he was the last person bar Nagano to reach the Final Stage who competed that tournament (well, that, and the fact that the producers had some weird aversion to giving Shingo #99). Re the Stage 2 thing, I can see that, especially in early Shin-Sasuke where the competitive field was a bit sparse with a lot of the Golden Era regulars having quit, and almost everyone failing Stage 1 especially in 18-20. Personally I'd just default to high profile competitors like All-Stars because of their legacy and popularity and the fact that competitors like Takeda or Shingo etc. still had a good chance at doing well, less so Yamada as by this point he was almost guaranteed to fail Stage 1. I'd agree with the Nagano point if the new generation were marketed better than they were. "Shin Sedai" wasn't a defined group until 28, and even then it got used very sparsely, I firmly believe one of the main reasons Sasuke's ratings declined was the lack of a marketable group to replace the All-Stars, while Nagano was still well known and revered amongst the community (hence why even after Yuuji's win he was invited to the USA for ANC2 trials). I do think that if there was anyone to put at #99 as a means of marketing the group it would be Hashimoto, as Kanno was too inconsistent, Tajima etc. weren't established enough, and other guys like Ryo hadn't broken out. But based on marketability, Nagano was put at #99 more out of necessity due to his legacy and being the only other competing champion for the most part. On the Yuuji point, the bottom line is that he actively asked to not wear #100, and if #99 caused him similar pressure, he'd probably ask not to wear that either. #100 carries a weight that #99 doesn't, as it's been worn primarily by the reigning champion or biggest name on the show. Which, granted, at the time, Yuuji was, but being positioned as such is clearly what gave him the pressure that caused him to make freak accidents like in 25 and 26. My hunch is that being hyped up as the "best" is much more pressuring than being seen as merely "good". It wasn't just Yuuji, the same thing happened to Ryo, and to an extent Yamada and Akiyama as well. Nagano and Yusuke could wear it because they're much more easy going, and during their respective reigns there was objectively no one else who could've worn the number (Akiyama and Yamada were well into their declines, Yuuji doesn't want the number). Nagano only wore #100 in later tournaments despite being past his prime, either when he was supposedly retiring (28 and 32), or when there was literally no one else who could have or wanted to wear it. And of course how famous he was/his impact on the show; barring 28, the producers practically begged him not to retire, and I'd wager this was partially tactical for ratings. I might make my list, some day..... |
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