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Post by zoran on May 25, 2024 4:56:59 GMT -5
Let's say clearing in 29 and then being selected to represent Japan in US V Japan for ANW gives Shingo a massive morale boost and he also gets the mental therapy he got prior to 40 earlier and becomes training religously for the show.
30: Crazy Cliffhanger jump, doesn't accidentally take in water and clears in the nick of time. Imo him beating the kai portion of the CC should could as him beating the original version too as he's the only all star never to do so.
31: Lumberjack Climb: Tackle and upgraded wall slow him down, due to his height though and natural skill on the wall he makes it up but without time to clear.
32: Lumberjack Climb: Upgraded tackle and reduced time limit slow him down causing him to timeout.
33: Wall Lift: Beats stage 1 but the upgraded stage 2 slows him down.
34: Sidewinder Kai: Beats stage 1 and 2 narrowly but this being his first time attempting the new stage 3 and sidwinder causes him to fail at the third pillar.
35: Dragon Glider: Fails either the jump or the transfer.
36: UCCH first jump.
37: Cliffhanger dimension second jump. He has beaten one of the jumps in practice and could do so again with a lot of luck, it being turned off could really help. Would be beyond legendary if this happened IRL.
38: Wall Lift due to the log.
39: Warped Wall due to rain.
40: Swing Edge due to it being the first time he would have attempted it.
Realistically how likely do you think an ultra motivated Shingo who got the mental therapy earlier and adopted a better training regiment could have achieved these results? If he did, how do you think he would be seen in modern Sasuke?
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Post by dakohosu on May 25, 2024 5:44:29 GMT -5
Let's say clearing in 29 and then being selected to represent Japan in US V Japan for ANW gives Shingo a massive morale boost and he also gets the mental therapy he got prior to 40 earlier and becomes training religously for the show. 30: Crazy Cliffhanger jump, doesn't accidentally take in water and clears in the nick of time. Imo him beating the kai portion of the CC should could as him beating the original version too as he's the only all star never to do so. 31: Lumberjack Climb: Tackle and upgraded wall slow him down, due to his height though and natural skill on the wall he makes it up but without time to clear. 32: Lumberjack Climb: Upgraded tackle and reduced time limit slow him down causing him to timeout. 33: Wall Lift: Beats stage 1 but the upgraded stage 2 slows him down. 34: Sidewinder Kai: Beats stage 1 and 2 narrowly but this being his first time attempting the new stage 3 and sidwinder causes him to fail at the third pillar. 35: Dragon Glider: Fails either the jump or the transfer. 36: UCCH first jump. 37: Cliffhanger dimension second jump. He has beaten one of the jumps in practice and could do so again with a lot of luck, it being turned off could really help. Would be beyond legendary if this happened IRL. 38: Wall Lift due to the log. 39: Warped Wall due to rain. 40: Swing Edge due to it being the first time he would have attempted it. Realistically how likely do you think an ultra motivated Shingo who got the mental therapy earlier and adopted a better training regiment could have achieved these results? If he did, how do you think he would be seen in modern Sasuke? It would probably be considered to be a resurgence on par with that of Yuuji, possibly even better given that Shingo hasn't/wouldn't have touched a Cliffhanger since Sasuke 12 where he couldn't even make the first transition, and then returns more than a decade later to almost beat the much harder variants, not to mention that he's also 4 years older than Yuuji as well, so he'd eclipse both the Stage 1 and 2 clear record. It would be satisfying to watch as Shingo's a fan favorite/one of my favorite competitors, as well as a BIG f you to Inui for his attempt to retire him forcefully only a couple of years prior. That said, I don't think these results are particularly likely, given that the more I think about it the more I feel that Shingo's run in 40 was a bit of a fluke, following nine consecutive Stage 1 fails, and another result I can't talk about on here. I personally think that the chance of him making a mistake is too high for this level of consistency, whether that be on Stage 1 like the Dragon Glider or Fish Bone, as well as Stage 2 like the Backstream, Conveyer, Spider Drop, etc. I'm also somewhat doubtful that he'd be able to clear within some of the time limits as it is. 40's Stage 1 had one of the most lenient time limits of the era and he still cleared with the second slowest time, while he was a good 20-30 seconds off clearing in Stage 2. I'd say his best chance to get to Stage 3 would've been 30-32, because he did almost clear in 30 (though he was cutting it very close time wise), and 31 and 32 had quite lenient time limits on Stage 2. The Dragon Glider and reduced time limit from 35 onwards would've posed a problem for him imo. |
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Post by zoran on May 25, 2024 5:54:49 GMT -5
Let's say clearing in 29 and then being selected to represent Japan in US V Japan for ANW gives Shingo a massive morale boost and he also gets the mental therapy he got prior to 40 earlier and becomes training religously for the show. 30: Crazy Cliffhanger jump, doesn't accidentally take in water and clears in the nick of time. Imo him beating the kai portion of the CC should could as him beating the original version too as he's the only all star never to do so. 31: Lumberjack Climb: Tackle and upgraded wall slow him down, due to his height though and natural skill on the wall he makes it up but without time to clear. 32: Lumberjack Climb: Upgraded tackle and reduced time limit slow him down causing him to timeout. 33: Wall Lift: Beats stage 1 but the upgraded stage 2 slows him down. 34: Sidewinder Kai: Beats stage 1 and 2 narrowly but this being his first time attempting the new stage 3 and sidwinder causes him to fail at the third pillar. 35: Dragon Glider: Fails either the jump or the transfer. 36: UCCH first jump. 37: Cliffhanger dimension second jump. He has beaten one of the jumps in practice and could do so again with a lot of luck, it being turned off could really help. Would be beyond legendary if this happened IRL. 38: Wall Lift due to the log. 39: Warped Wall due to rain. 40: Swing Edge due to it being the first time he would have attempted it. Realistically how likely do you think an ultra motivated Shingo who got the mental therapy earlier and adopted a better training regiment could have achieved these results? If he did, how do you think he would be seen in modern Sasuke? It would probably be considered to be a resurgence on par with that of Yuuji, possibly even better given that Shingo hasn't/wouldn't have touched a Cliffhanger since Sasuke 12 where he couldn't even make the first transition, and then returns more than a decade later to almost beat the much harder variants, not to mention that he's also 4 years older than Yuuji as well, so he'd eclipse both the Stage 1 and 2 clear record. It would be satisfying to watch as Shingo's a fan favorite/one of my favorite competitors, as well as a BIG f you to Inui for his attempt to retire him forcefully only a couple of years prior. That said, I don't think these results are particularly likely, given that the more I think about it the more I feel that Shingo's run in 40 was a bit of a fluke, following nine consecutive Stage 1 fails, and another result I can't talk about on here. I personally think that the chance of him making a mistake is too high for this level of consistency, whether that be on Stage 1 like the Dragon Glider or Fish Bone, as well as Stage 2 like the Backstream, Conveyer, Spider Drop, etc. I'm also somewhat doubtful that he'd be able to clear within some of the time limits as it is. 40's Stage 1 had one of the most lenient time limits of the era and he still cleared with the second slowest time, while he was a good 20-30 seconds off clearing in Stage 2. I'd say his best chance to get to Stage 3 would've been 30-32, because he did almost clear in 30 (though he was cutting it very close time wise), and 31 and 32 had quite lenient time limits on Stage 2. The Dragon Glider and reduced time limit from 35 onwards would've posed a problem for him imo. What do you think Shingo's realistic best if he didn't make mistakes in this period and his success built on from each tournament? |
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Post by dakohosu on May 25, 2024 8:00:06 GMT -5
What do you think Shingo's realistic best if he didn't make mistakes in this period and his success built on from each tournament? 30: Wall Lift - could see him trying to duck under the first wall and getting stuck like Yuuji did, and he was already quite low on time 31: Sidewinder assuming he doesn't struggle with the Tackle+WW as he's never failed the wall in the dry but he might time out on Lumberjack Climb if he does 32: Flying Bar - again assuming the Tackle+WW doesn't cause him issues; can't see Stage 2 stopping him due to its nerf 33: Reverse Conveyer - realistically his fail in 33 was due to the modified Double Pendulum so I'm not sure this was a mistake per se, but still 34: Reverse Conveyer - same as 33 35: Dragon Glider - new obstacle so would've likely thrown him off 36: Wall Lift - assuming he trains for the Dragon Glider 37: Sidewinder assuming he's got the DG covered at this point, due to Stage 2's nerf 38: Reverse Conveyer due to Stage 2's brutal time limit 39: Wall Lift - slight improvement over 38 due to the easier log but not enough to clear, I'm doubtful he'd be quicker than Saikawa 40: Wall Lift - same as 39 but gets thrown off by 5 second time limit reduction I'm unsure as to whether the above are realistic because I'm assuming he makes absolutely no Shingo mistakes which are hard to take out the equation because, well.... he's Shingo, lol. Let's say this is what he is capable of. |
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Post by zoran on May 25, 2024 8:17:53 GMT -5
What do you think Shingo's realistic best if he didn't make mistakes in this period and his success built on from each tournament? 30: Wall Lift - could see him trying to duck under the first wall and getting stuck like Yuuji did, and he was already quite low on time 31: Sidewinder assuming he doesn't struggle with the Tackle+WW as he's never failed the wall in the dry but he might time out on Lumberjack Climb if he does 32: Flying Bar - again assuming the Tackle+WW doesn't cause him issues; can't see Stage 2 stopping him due to its nerf 33: Reverse Conveyer - realistically his fail in 33 was due to the modified Double Pendulum so I'm not sure this was a mistake per se, but still 34: Reverse Conveyer - same as 33 35: Dragon Glider - new obstacle so would've likely thrown him off 36: Wall Lift - assuming he trains for the Dragon Glider 37: Sidewinder assuming he's got the DG covered at this point, due to Stage 2's nerf 38: Reverse Conveyer due to Stage 2's brutal time limit 39: Wall Lift - slight improvement over 38 due to the easier log but not enough to clear, I'm doubtful he'd be quicker than Saikawa 40: Wall Lift - same as 39 but gets thrown off by 5 second time limit reduction I'm unsure as to whether the above are realistic because I'm assuming he makes absolutely no Shingo mistakes which are hard to take out the equation because, well.... he's Shingo, lol. Let's say this is what he is capable of. I think the rain would eliminate him in 39, in his run it already was pretty wet. |
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Post by dakohosu on May 25, 2024 11:22:11 GMT -5
I think the rain would eliminate him in 39, in his run it already was pretty wet. Oh yeah my bad I forgot he wore #92 in 39. It's hard to say because Iwamoto through Tada (88-91) all cleared, the wall was very clearly still dry but with wet patches from the rain, but by the time we got to Takeru who wore 94 the wall was fully slick with zero traction, likely because they tried to wipe it down but in doing so just spread the water across the wall making it worse. Shingo ran in between but it had started raining again, not sure if it would've been impossible by that point. That said, I'm assuming he even makes it that far, which given that he failed the Dragon Glider his past two attempts, and the fact he technically (along with Yamada) failed two obstacles in a row (with his foot touching the water on the Silk Slider then falling in during the Fish Bone), I'm unconvinced. |
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Post by subtleagent on May 28, 2024 14:52:16 GMT -5
Then that'd be an incredible Redemption. However...
For me I think it'd be...
30: Wall Lift
31: Lumberjack Climb
32: Warped Wall
33: Reverse Conveyor
34: Reverse Conveyor
35: Dragon Glider
36: Sidewinder
37: Cliffhanger Dimension
38: Backstream
39: Warped Wall
40: Swing Edge
...optimistically.
37 was arguably his best chance of the bunch for S3 as S2 for that one was easier, as this is Shingo a run from him could end from the start line to tripping and missing the button. Granted S2 wasn't much of an issue for most, but as Shingo is older harder courses can easily snag him.
His last 3 canon clears were also on easy courses that 20+ cleared so that kind of tells that he's the first to go on a difficulty spike. Yes he's come close each time, but if even Suzuki has him beat despite being inconsistent then Shingo's odds are lower sadly.
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Post by zoran on May 28, 2024 16:57:13 GMT -5
Then that'd be an incredible Redemption. However... For me I think it'd be... 30: Wall Lift 31: Lumberjack Climb 32: Warped Wall 33: Reverse Conveyor 34: Reverse Conveyor 35: Dragon Glider 36: Sidewinder 37: Cliffhanger Dimension 38: Backstream 39: Warped Wall 40: Swing Edge ...optimistically. 37 was arguably his best chance of the bunch for S3 as S2 for that one was easier, as this is Shingo a run from him could end from the start line to tripping and missing the button. Granted S2 wasn't much of an issue for most, but as Shingo is older harder courses can easily snag him. His last 3 canon clears were also on easy courses that 20+ cleared so that kind of tells that he's the first to go on a difficulty spike. Yes he's come close each time, but if even Suzuki has him beat despite being inconsistent then Shingo's odds are lower sadly. Do you think in the absolute best case scenario for Shingo, if he trained relentlessly, achieved a degree of consistency and with good luck, he could have made the final in 37? |
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Post by subtleagent on May 29, 2024 9:00:25 GMT -5
Then that'd be an incredible Redemption. However... For me I think it'd be... 30: Wall Lift 31: Lumberjack Climb 32: Warped Wall 33: Reverse Conveyor 34: Reverse Conveyor 35: Dragon Glider 36: Sidewinder 37: Cliffhanger Dimension 38: Backstream 39: Warped Wall 40: Swing Edge ...optimistically. 37 was arguably his best chance of the bunch for S3 as S2 for that one was easier, as this is Shingo a run from him could end from the start line to tripping and missing the button. Granted S2 wasn't much of an issue for most, but as Shingo is older harder courses can easily snag him. His last 3 canon clears were also on easy courses that 20+ cleared so that kind of tells that he's the first to go on a difficulty spike. Yes he's come close each time, but if even Suzuki has him beat despite being inconsistent then Shingo's odds are lower sadly. Do you think in the absolute best case scenario for Shingo, if he trained relentlessly, achieved a degree of consistency and with good luck, he could have made the final in 37? Sadly no, Stage 3 even with the odd circumstances regarding his decline, has always been his weakest stage and even with the Vertical Limit performance I just can't see him passing that. Cliffhanger is his absolute ceiling though maybe he could get 1 jump given he's trained on it. But yeah no final. |
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