Which of these cliffhangers do you think is harder?

[zoran]

The 26/27 UCH is much longer and much more endurance based and was only beaten thrice, with incredibly difficult jumps like to ledge 5 or 6 as well as the massive reach to ledge 4. However ledge 5 is thicker which takes away some dificulty.

The Crazy Cliffhanger has the do or die jump but it is less endurance based and has been beaten 7 times.

[dakohosu]

May 20, 2024 15:34:37 GMT -5 zoran said:

The 26/27 UCH is much longer and much more endurance based and was only beaten thrice, with incredibly difficult jumps like to ledge 5 or 6 as well as the massive reach to ledge 4. However ledge 5 is thicker which takes away some dificulty.

The Crazy Cliffhanger has the do or die jump but it is less endurance based and has been beaten 7 times.

The way I see it is that everyone who could beat the Crazy I could see beating the Ultimate, while I'm not sure if vice versa is true. Mainly because to have enough left in the tank to beat the transition with the prior obstacles, you'll need good endurance regardless, which would translate to the Ultimate. But even if you have good endurance, that doesn't mean you'll be able to beat the Crazy.

The Ultimate being more endurance based is a case of being able to be out-trained; if your endurance isn't good enough, train more endurance, and then you'll probably beat it. There are a lot fewer opportunities for freak accidents.

By comparison it seems like several competitors, despite training aggressively for the Crazy transitions like Asa, Hioki, Sato, Kanno etc. couldn't beat it several times in a row in competition due to the complexity and technicality of the move. 

I guess theoretically you could have endurance that's not sufficient to beat the Ultimate but you've trained the Crazy specifically so could beat the latter and not the former, but I feel those are rare cases because of my first point that if your endurance isn't good then you'll probably be too spent at that point despite having the technique pinned down.

Also, the reason why the Crazy was beaten more was because we had more Stage 3 attempts (24 vs 12 for the Ultimate discounting 25's which was a write off difficulty wise), the first half of 26's Stage 3 was considerably harder than RISING, it was a huge difficulty spike from what we had previously and in an era where training on replicas wasn't as significant, and regardless competitors only had a year or so to train for the Ultimate compared to almost three for the Crazy.