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Post by zoran on May 17, 2024 16:14:30 GMT -5
By the Shin Sedai, I'm referring to the 4 named as part of that group in Sasuke 28, not the unofficial designation given to any young competitor who did well in the 20s tournaments.
20 - Jumping Spider (Kanno)
21 - Flying Chute (Ryo)
22 - Final rope climb (Yuuji)
23 - Final rope climb (Kanno)
24 - Kanzen (Yuuji)
25 - Balance Tank (Kanno)
26 - Half Pipe Attack (Yuuji)
27 - Kanzen (Yuuji)
28 - Crazy Cliffhanger jump (Yuuji and Kanno)
29 - Crazy Cliffhanger Jump (Asa and Kanno)
30 - Final rope climb (Ryo)
31 - Vertical Limit Kai (Kanno)
32 - Tarzan Rope (Ryo)
33 - Flying bar (Asa)
34 - Reverse conveyor (Yuuji)
35 - Warped Wall (Yuuji and Ryo)
36 - Vertical Limit Tri third ledge (Ryo)
37 - Pipe Slider (Yuuji)
38 - Wall lift (Yuuji)
39 - Swing Edge (Ryo)
40 - Vertical Limit Tri (Yuuji)
So Yuuji obviously carries the group but the others do fill in for periods were he has a slump. Imagine if these results were the results of one competitor, we'll say it's an alternate version of Yuuji for convenience. How do you think this version of Yuuji would be seen? Do you think he would challenge the modern idea that Morimoto is the undisputed GOAT? How do you think his regressions in 23 and 34 would be explained?
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Post by dakohosu on May 17, 2024 16:34:53 GMT -5
Right, so we have 21 attempts, 14 Stage 3s, 5 Finals, and 2 wins.
I think there would definitely be more of an argument against Yusuke being the undisputed GOAT, mainly because unlike Yuuji in real life, who even in his prime was quite inconsistent, alternate Yuuji would've dominated the era, with 3 consecutive Finals that Yusuke has yet to achieve, and 5 Finals/2 Kanzens in the space of only 9 tournaments vs 10 for Yusuke.
It's a lot more debatable in the sense that Stages 1 and 2 were more difficult during the Shin era and there were more course changes, but Yusuke has obviously beaten much tougher Stage 3s, that said alternate Yuuji would also give a really good fight on those more recent Stage 3s despite his age (I'm assuming this version is the same age). Longevity and consistency would be a great point in alternate Yuuji's favour, as doing so across 15 years and 20 tournaments is pretty much unparalleled. That said, Yusuke looks on track to uphold his consistency yet eclipse the record of 5 Finals and 2 wins, so I think even if it's debatable now, soon Yusuke will make sure that won't be the case.
In terms of 23 and 34, with 23 you could chalk it down to the lowered time limit and maybe the warmer weather affecting stamina more, 34 could've just been a freak accident. He slips a couple of times on the conveyer and then gets held up and times out, whereas in 33 he didn't have this issue as much.
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Post by zoran on May 18, 2024 5:24:30 GMT -5
Right, so we have 21 attempts, 14 Stage 3s, 5 Finals, and 2 wins. I think there would definitely be more of an argument against Yusuke being the undisputed GOAT, mainly because unlike Yuuji in real life, who even in his prime was quite inconsistent, alternate Yuuji would've dominated the era, with 3 consecutive Finals that Yusuke has yet to achieve, and 5 Finals/2 Kanzens in the space of only 9 tournaments vs 10 for Yusuke. It's a lot more debatable in the sense that Stages 1 and 2 were more difficult during the Shin era and there were more course changes, but Yusuke has obviously beaten much tougher Stage 3s, that said alternate Yuuji would also give a really good fight on those more recent Stage 3s despite his age (I'm assuming this version is the same age). Longevity and consistency would be a great point in alternate Yuuji's favour, as doing so across 15 years and 20 tournaments is pretty much unparalleled. That said, Yusuke looks on track to uphold his consistency yet eclipse the record of 5 Finals and 2 wins, so I think even if it's debatable now, soon Yusuke will make sure that won't be the case. In terms of 23 and 34, with 23 you could chalk it down to the lowered time limit and maybe the warmer weather affecting stamina more, 34 could've just been a freak accident. He slips a couple of times on the conveyer and then gets held up and times out, whereas in 33 he didn't have this issue as much. One thing that would be interesting if this version of Yuuji achieved these results is that it would add some slight legitimacy to the supposed idea (I've never seen any evidence that Yamada made this claim, some say he stated it in a magazine but I haven't seen anything proving it) that he "cheated" by wearing tabi shoes in 24's final, given how much "he" would have regressed in 23's final. |
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Post by dakohosu on May 18, 2024 11:17:21 GMT -5
Right, so we have 21 attempts, 14 Stage 3s, 5 Finals, and 2 wins. I think there would definitely be more of an argument against Yusuke being the undisputed GOAT, mainly because unlike Yuuji in real life, who even in his prime was quite inconsistent, alternate Yuuji would've dominated the era, with 3 consecutive Finals that Yusuke has yet to achieve, and 5 Finals/2 Kanzens in the space of only 9 tournaments vs 10 for Yusuke. It's a lot more debatable in the sense that Stages 1 and 2 were more difficult during the Shin era and there were more course changes, but Yusuke has obviously beaten much tougher Stage 3s, that said alternate Yuuji would also give a really good fight on those more recent Stage 3s despite his age (I'm assuming this version is the same age). Longevity and consistency would be a great point in alternate Yuuji's favour, as doing so across 15 years and 20 tournaments is pretty much unparalleled. That said, Yusuke looks on track to uphold his consistency yet eclipse the record of 5 Finals and 2 wins, so I think even if it's debatable now, soon Yusuke will make sure that won't be the case. In terms of 23 and 34, with 23 you could chalk it down to the lowered time limit and maybe the warmer weather affecting stamina more, 34 could've just been a freak accident. He slips a couple of times on the conveyer and then gets held up and times out, whereas in 33 he didn't have this issue as much. One thing that would be interesting if this version of Yuuji achieved these results is that it would add some slight legitimacy to the supposed idea (I've never seen any evidence that Yamada made this claim, some say he stated it in a magazine but I haven't seen anything proving it) that he "cheated" by wearing tabi shoes in 24's final, given how much "he" would have regressed in 23's final. Even here though, sheer logic comes into play. Every single competitor in 24 bar Lee used tabi boots on the Final, and if the spec of the shoes were indeed "illegal" then Yuuji would've been prevented from running, rather than being allowed to run and then disqualified because "Yamada said so". Besides, even if Yuuji's tabi boots did give him an edge on the ladder and rope, it doesn't take away that he was still the only one to win, and I don't really see in what capacity shoes can even be "illegal" in the first place. It's also very ironic how Yamada supposedly (I've not seen it either but general consensus among the community is that it's true) accused Yuuji of cheating, when he used that tape technique in Sasuke 9, and very obviously tried to get away with using gloves, then claimed the button had broken on his second attempt, in 12. Yamada generally never liked others doing well, and especially a competitor like Yuuji who he had no allegiance to unlike Nagano or Akiyama. He already seemed super pissed off when Yuuji beat Stage 3 in 22, then let out a fake smile when he realised the camera was on him lol. |
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