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Shane Kosugi
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Post by xelA197 on May 6, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -5
Following the recent trend, here are the results of the most famous non All-Star competitors of the Golden Era in the tournaments in which they were absent:
KANE
2-Tsuna Nobori
3-Kanzen
5-Wall Lift
SHANE
5-Warped Wall
JOVTCHEV
9-Lamp Grasper
10-Rope Climb
11-Cliffhanger Kai
13-Curtain Cling
17-Wall Lift
18-Flying Chute
19-Warped Wall
21-Salmon Ladder
22-Slider Jump
KOJI YAMADA
18-Salmon Ladder
ASAOKA
8-Warped Wall
9-Wall Lift
SHINJI
17-Circle Slider
IKETANI
3-Wall Lift
6-Rope Climb
7-Body Prop
17-Metal Spin
18-Flying Chute
19-Warped Wall
23-Slider Jump
25-Double Salmon Ladder
NAKATA
18-Salmon Ladder
19-Warped Wall
20-Half-Pipe Attack
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Post by dakohosu on May 6, 2024 12:05:25 GMT -5
Following the recent trend, here are the results of the most famous non All-Star competitors of the Golden Era in the tournaments in which they were absent: KANE 2-Tsuna Nobori 3-Kanzen 5-Wall Lift SHANE 5-Warped Wall JOVTCHEV 9-Lamp Grasper 10-Rope Climb 11-Cliffhanger Kai 13-Curtain Cling 17-Wall Lift 18-Flying Chute 19-Warped Wall 21-Salmon Ladder 22-Slider Jump KOJI YAMADA 18-Salmon Ladder ASAOKA 8-Warped Wall 9-Wall Lift SHINJI 17-Circle Slider IKETANI 3-Wall Lift 6-Rope Climb 7-Body Prop 17-Metal Spin 18-Flying Chute 19-Warped Wall 23-Slider Jump 25-Double Salmon Ladder NAKATA 18-Salmon Ladder 19-Warped Wall 20-Half-Pipe Attack Disagree with the Kane choices. Don't forget that while he did make the Final in 8 and gave an incredibly strong run given the rain, he spent a long time training prior after his subpar performance in 7, which he obviously wouldn't have done in the earlier tournaments. I'm not convinced he would've been able to win in Sasuke 3 where Yamada, who arguably had a stronger upper body at the time, couldn't, and Shingo who would go on beat the same Stage 3 as he did a few tournaments later was a good 3-4 metres off. Tsuna Nobori in 2 I could see but it was also raining so he could fumble the Pipe Slider especially as it was new. 5 I could see him failing the Spider Walk due to needing to rush which is what cost him in 7. I'd also put Iketani in 7 as Cliffhanger in adherence to the fact that he did consistently worse in every one of his 6 Stage 3 attempts and only started failing the Body Prop from 13 onwards. Jovtchev is a weird one because he was insanely consistent with 4 Stage 3 attempts in his first 5 tournaments, no Stage 2 fails, and all three of his Stage 1 fails being timeouts rather than freak accidents, but also had a LOT of close calls (technically his clear in 8 was THE closest call in the show's history lol) in terms of time. I do agree that he could've timed out in 17 but also could've cleared once again with like 2 seconds left. 9 and 13 I'd say Cliffhanger because he made it past those obstacles in other tournaments despite never training for the show. Regardless though, he's always been one of my favorites as he was a true dark horse during that era. I wonder what number he would've got if he came back in 9 considering he would've been the only returning finalist from that tournament. |
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Shane Kosugi
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Post by xelA197 on May 6, 2024 12:37:50 GMT -5
Following the recent trend, here are the results of the most famous non All-Star competitors of the Golden Era in the tournaments in which they were absent: KANE 2-Tsuna Nobori 3-Kanzen 5-Wall Lift SHANE 5-Warped Wall JOVTCHEV 9-Lamp Grasper 10-Rope Climb 11-Cliffhanger Kai 13-Curtain Cling 17-Wall Lift 18-Flying Chute 19-Warped Wall 21-Salmon Ladder 22-Slider Jump KOJI YAMADA 18-Salmon Ladder ASAOKA 8-Warped Wall 9-Wall Lift SHINJI 17-Circle Slider IKETANI 3-Wall Lift 6-Rope Climb 7-Body Prop 17-Metal Spin 18-Flying Chute 19-Warped Wall 23-Slider Jump 25-Double Salmon Ladder NAKATA 18-Salmon Ladder 19-Warped Wall 20-Half-Pipe Attack Disagree with the Kane choices. Don't forget that while he did make the Final in 8 and gave an incredibly strong run given the rain, he spent a long time training prior after his subpar performance in 7, which he obviously wouldn't have done in the earlier tournaments. I'm not convinced he would've been able to win in Sasuke 3 where Yamada, who arguably had a stronger upper body at the time, couldn't, and Shingo who would go on beat the same Stage 3 as he did a few tournaments later was a good 3-4 metres off. Tsuna Nobori in 2 I could see but it was also raining so he could fumble the Pipe Slider especially as it was new. 5 I could see him failing the Spider Walk due to needing to rush which is what cost him in 7. I'd also put Iketani in 7 as Cliffhanger in adherence to the fact that he did consistently worse in every one of his 6 Stage 3 attempts and only started failing the Body Prop from 13 onwards. Jovtchev is a weird one because he was insanely consistent with 4 Stage 3 attempts in his first 5 tournaments, no Stage 2 fails, and all three of his Stage 1 fails being timeouts rather than freak accidents, but also had a LOT of close calls (technically his clear in 8 was THE closest call in the show's history lol) in terms of time. I do agree that he could've timed out in 17 but also could've cleared once again with like 2 seconds left. 9 and 13 I'd say Cliffhanger because he made it past those obstacles in other tournaments despite never training for the show. Regardless though, he's always been one of my favorites as he was a true dark horse during that era. I wonder what number he would've got if he came back in 9 considering he would've been the only returning finalist from that tournament. Maybe it's a long shot, but SK 3 was so easy that even a young Kane could have cleared. The only really hard thing, Stage 2, I don't think it could stop him. I thought that if he did well on a rainy rope, imagine him on a dry rope, though we don't know how a 24 Kane would have performed. The fact that he was erased by the Body Prop in 6 leaves me a little doubtful, but never say never.. Jovtchev I think he can fail the Curtain Cling in 13 because that tournament was infamously notable for its weird regressions and bad runs from notable competitors. And for 9, I think that the Rumbling Dice instead of the Propeller Bars will drain him enough to fail the Lamp Grasper, though he can easily clear only to fail the Cliffhanger Kai tbh. |
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Post by dakohosu on May 6, 2024 13:58:59 GMT -5
Maybe it's a long shot, but SK 3 was so easy that even a young Kane could have cleared. The only really hard thing, Stage 2, I don't think it could stop him. I thought that if he did well on a rainy rope, imagine him on a dry rope, though we don't know how a 24 Kane would have performed. The fact that he was erased by the Body Prop in 6 leaves me a little doubtful, but never say never.. Iketani must do a Kongu in 7 or a Takeda in 13 to make your prediction true ahah. Jovtchev I think he can fail the Curtain Cling in 13 because that tournament was infamously notable for its weird regressions and bad runs from notable competitors. And for 9, I think that the Rumbling Dice instead of the Propeller Bars will drain him enough to fail the Lamp Grasper, though he can easily clear only to fail the Cliffhanger Kai tbh. True, I definitely think he would've made the Final in 3, but clearing without the training he did for 8 I'm not convinced, especially given that Yamada who trained his butt off for that tournament still came short. Re Iketani actually no, because in 10 he failed the first transition of the Cliffhanger and in 11 didn't even make it there, so he'd just have to pass the first transition which on the Dansa was horizontal. I'd see him failing the Dansa portion of 7's Cliffhanger as he failed the upwards transition in 10. I'd be somewhat surprised though if he even made it that far given that he did fail the Rolling Maruta in 8 and time out on Stage 2 in 9, though it was wet and the time limit was lower in those tournaments respectively. Yea 13 was a weird one and you know I don't like the tournament a whole lot for that reason, though a fair few of those regressions were just either due to circumstance (Takeda was injured, Nagano faced wind, Iketani wasn't training for Sasuke, Shingo got his leg trapped) or just random like Bunpei's Pipe Slider fail. I don't necessarily think that means that other competitors would necessarily do worse, unless the obstacle specifications in 13 were different making them harder (we obviously know the story with the Cliffhanger landing pad). |
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Shane Kosugi
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Post by xelA197 on May 6, 2024 14:48:37 GMT -5
Maybe it's a long shot, but SK 3 was so easy that even a young Kane could have cleared. The only really hard thing, Stage 2, I don't think it could stop him. I thought that if he did well on a rainy rope, imagine him on a dry rope, though we don't know how a 24 Kane would have performed. The fact that he was erased by the Body Prop in 6 leaves me a little doubtful, but never say never.. Iketani must do a Kongu in 7 or a Takeda in 13 to make your prediction true ahah. Jovtchev I think he can fail the Curtain Cling in 13 because that tournament was infamously notable for its weird regressions and bad runs from notable competitors. And for 9, I think that the Rumbling Dice instead of the Propeller Bars will drain him enough to fail the Lamp Grasper, though he can easily clear only to fail the Cliffhanger Kai tbh. True, I definitely think he would've made the Final in 3, but clearing without the training he did for 8 I'm not convinced, especially given that Yamada who trained his butt off for that tournament still came short. Re Iketani actually no, because in 10 he failed the first transition of the Cliffhanger and in 11 didn't even make it there, so he'd just have to pass the first transition which on the Dansa was horizontal. I'd see him failing the Dansa portion of 7's Cliffhanger as he failed the upwards transition in 10. I'd be somewhat surprised though if he even made it that far given that he did fail the Rolling Maruta in 8 and time out on Stage 2 in 9, though it was wet and the time limit was lower in those tournaments respectively. Yea 13 was a weird one and you know I don't like the tournament a whole lot for that reason, though a fair few of those regressions were just either due to circumstance (Takeda was injured, Nagano faced wind, Iketani wasn't training for Sasuke, Shingo got his leg trapped) or just random like Bunpei's Pipe Slider fail. I don't necessarily think that means that other competitors would necessarily do worse, unless the obstacle specifications in 13 were different making them harder (we obviously know the story with the Cliffhanger landing pad). Sorry but unfortunately I often make stupid careless mistakes. Iketani failing to transition onto the 3rd ledge appears to be the most realistic result on the Cliffhanger Dansa, I can't see him failing the first transition because he cleared the all straight version in 4. It's fun that he cleared the Cliffhanger in his first Stage 3 attempt but later struggled immensely even to make an upward transition. You can say that it was the easiest variant, but in its only appearance, it took out probably the top two competitor at the time (Kane and Yamada), who later always cleared it on harder variants. |
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Post by dakohosu on May 6, 2024 15:27:46 GMT -5
Sorry but unfortunately I often make stupid careless mistakes. Iketani failing to transition onto the 3rd ledge appears to be the most realistic result on the Cliffhanger Dansa, I can't see him failing the first transition because he cleared the all straight version in 4. It's fun that he cleared the Cliffhanger in his first Stage 3 attempt but later struggled immensely even to make an upward transition. You can say that it was the easiest variant, but in its only appearance, it took out probably the top two competitor at the time (Kane and Yamada), who later always cleared it on harder variants. Yeah Iketani's decline on Stage 3 was quite odd; yeah, he didn't train specifically for Sasuke, but then not that many competitors did back then, and he was a pro athlete so would've been training relentlessly in terms of general athleticism over those years. At least with Shingo you could make the argument that in 12 he used a worse technique on the Lamp Grasper which sapped his grip strength for the Cliffhanger, 14 was a new obstacle, 15 he would've had sweaty hands from the heat, and 17's Body Prop was noticeably more slippery leading to Bunpei failing it and Nagano and Shunsuke almost slipping which never happened before. Iketani by comparison failed earlier in 11 than 10 despite the fact that he was clearly struggling a lot more on the stage in 10 (almost slipping off the Lamp Grasper and Body Prop), then in 13 fails the Body Prop for the first time despite having cleared it twice before, fails even earlier in 14, and in 16 fails within seconds of mounting it, for no explainable reason. He also wasn't that old either, he was late 20s/early 30s, and was arguably stronger on the first two stages putting down faster times. |
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