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Post by darthvaderlim on Mar 27, 2024 2:23:03 GMT -5
How would you fix or change each bad tournaments?
Sasuke 20:More clears on Stage One, no Stick Slider malfunction, reduce Stage Two time limit to 80 seconds, replace Sending Climber with Hang Climbing
Sasuke 26:Better editing like showing more of the Japanese compeitors (like in G4), keep Okuyama and Hashimoto's Stage Two run the same order
Sasuke 28:Invite Kongu and Okuyama, reduce Stage Two time limit to 110-115 seconds
Sasuke 29:Keep Stage One the same as in 28, Stage Two time limit is 100-110 seconds, Backstream is the same as 28, no Stage Three time limit
Sasuke 33:No Flying Bar malfunction, keep Stage Three the same as in 32, add a green resting bar after the Cliffhanger
Sasuke 34:Add a green bar after the Cliffhanger and Yusuke clears the Third Stage
For Sasuke 20, I think the competitors were just unlucky as the results were similar to Sasuke 19, despite the modifications.
Sasuke 28, the reason the All-Stars were forced retired is because Inui wanted to start the show in his own image. Sasuke had been cancelled and they had to start over from scratch, so it's had to say how different 28 would have been besides the weak competitive field
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Post by dakohosu on Mar 27, 2024 12:45:50 GMT -5
How would you fix or change each bad tournaments? Sasuke 20:More clears on Stage One, no Stick Slider malfunction, reduce Stage Two time limit to 80 seconds, replace Sending Climber with Hang Climbing Sasuke 26:Better editing like showing more of the Japanese compeitors (like in G4), keep Okuyama and Hashimoto's Stage Two run the same order Sasuke 28:Invite Kongu and Okuyama, reduce Stage Two time limit to 110-115 seconds Sasuke 29:Keep Stage One the same as in 28, Stage Two time limit is 100-110 seconds, Backstream is the same as 28, no Stage Three time limit Sasuke 33:No Flying Bar malfunction, keep Stage Three the same as in 32, add a green resting bar after the Cliffhanger Sasuke 34:Add a green bar after the Cliffhanger and Yusuke clears the Third Stage For Sasuke 20, I think the competitors were just unlucky as the results were similar to Sasuke 19, despite the modifications. Sasuke 28, the reason the All-Stars were forced retired is because Inui wanted to start the show in his own image. Sasuke had been cancelled and they had to start over from scratch, so it's had to say how different 28 would have been besides the weak competitive field I think the issue with Sasuke 20 was that we were in this sort of no man's land between the Shin-Sedai/new stars not having started competing and the All-Stars starting to decline, so combine that with the brutally hard course and we had all of the familiar faces failing Stage 1 while there wasn't a whole lot of new talent to step up to the plate. I distinctly remember a lot of rando athletes competing in 20 specifically, likely because it was an Anniversary tournament. In terms of why the results weren't any better, it was because we got a load of Half Pipe Attack fails from competitors who would've failed the Jumping Spider had it been left the same as 19. The time limit was also barely increased so we still had a load of timeouts as there wasn't much room for error. Re 28 I think what would've been better would've been to just retire them as an official "it" group of competitors, and still allow them to compete but just as regular competitors or "Former All-Stars". I actually remember thinking this was what Inui meant at the time, as it didn't occur to me that he was legitimately thinking of banning the All-Stars from competing again, especially as Shingo entered 29's trials as a regular competitor. I think this would've worked a lot better in order to make way for the rising stars of the period, while still allowing fan favorites to show face and compete for the community spirit. Besides, as a group the All-Stars were kind of gone anyway, as half of them had retired and/or were no longer showing interest. Everyone still loved Nagano, Takeda etc. but it's hard to market a mascot group where half of the competitors aren't even present. So I think retiring the group aspect would've made more sense. Apart from that, few things to mention re your changes. 20: I would've maybe changed the landing platform of the Half-Pipe Attack to the more flattened version in 21 as this caused a lot of failures in 20, which would facilitate more potential clears, especially with a lot of these failures comprising competitors who cleared in other tournaments in the same era like Miyazaki, Washimi, Shingo etc. I would've also potentially had a proper trials process for the anniversary tournament, similar to what we got in 21-23, as we saw a load of breakout runs from future stars in those tournaments, so the same could've happened for 20. 26: bear in mind that there would've still had to have been a lot of digests and cuts due to the incredibly short broadcast time, which is why I haven't criticised that aspect of 26's editing, more the showing runs out of order was completely inexcusable and ruined the pacing/storytelling. 28: invite more general talent as 28 had a load of randos with no athletic background. They should've also invited internationals with prior track records like David Campbell etc. 29: Backstream being the same as in 28 wouldn't have worked as the jets were almost non-existent. I'd say maybe have it the same strength that Asa and Kanno had to face, such that it's still entirely doable but stops weaker competitors in their tracks. 33-34: I'd probably cut Stage 1's time limit by 10-15 seconds, the fact that Jun took 20 seconds to eye up the Fish Bone in 34 yet still cleared with almost 30 seconds remaining was ridiculous. It would've also consolidated 33 as a fairly bloodbath-y tournament too, which would've worked in its favor imo, especially with Stage 2 as most of the celebrities who failed the Salmon Ladder repeatedly wouldn't have cleared. 34: If there was a green resting bar in 33 and no Flying Bar malfunction, it's very likely Yusuke would've cleared in 33, so I would've maybe added the changes like no break between Flying Bar and Sidewinder for 34, and maybe even 35's modifications except having a motorised Body Prop rather than the Planet Bridge. |
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Mar 27, 2024 19:56:04 GMT -5
How come 32 isn't being included in these threads? I could swear that it has a worse reputation than at least 34, and possibly 20 as well. I don't have an issue, I just find it an odd shift.
Anyways, I'd have to agree with most of the suggestions already listed, as well as avoiding the silly All-Star retirement fiasco in 28.
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Post by darthvaderlim on Mar 28, 2024 2:11:47 GMT -5
How come 32 isn't being included in these threads? I could swear that it has a worse reputation than at least 34, and possibly 20 as well. I don't have an issue, I just find it an odd shift. Anyways, I'd have to agree with most of the suggestions already listed, as well as avoiding the silly All-Star retirement fiasco in 28. 32, I didn't think was as bad as 26, 28, and 29. I remember being hyped for the renewal, and I actually thought it had potential to be a decent renewal, but the editing and bad weather dampened it. That being said, I would fix 32 by reducing Stage Two time limit to say 105 seconds and not digest Shingo and Takeda. The weather I think was more of an oversight and they did postpone the filming to another day. |
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Post by dakohosu on Mar 28, 2024 5:11:18 GMT -5
How come 32 isn't being included in these threads? I could swear that it has a worse reputation than at least 34, and possibly 20 as well. I don't have an issue, I just find it an odd shift. Anyways, I'd have to agree with most of the suggestions already listed, as well as avoiding the silly All-Star retirement fiasco in 28. 32, I didn't think was as bad as 26, 28, and 29. I remember being hyped for the renewal, and I actually thought it had potential to be a decent renewal, but the editing and bad weather dampened it. That being said, I would fix 32 by reducing Stage Two time limit to say 105 seconds and not digest Shingo and Takeda. The weather I think was more of an oversight and they did postpone the filming to another day. From what I heard they actually intended Stage 2’s time limit to be 90 seconds, but changed it to 115 due to the poor clear rate on Stage 1, even though the….. point of a renewal is to have lower clears/more shock fails??? |
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Post by ItalianNinja08 on Mar 28, 2024 5:31:07 GMT -5
100 probably would have been the perfect time limit for 32's Stage 2. If they really kept 90 seconds, I thought that the clearers would have been Brent, Anastase, Drew and Tomo. Probably Inui was worried that if he kept the 90 seconds on Stage 2, few people attempted his fully buffed Stage 3, probably the reason because still now Stage 2 is a child's playground, because Inui spent almost all his budget on Stage 3 and he want more and more competitors to attempt his new additions, also for marketing's purpose, as we saw with the Spinwinder and the Swing Edge in 39.
And he was also worried to see a 26's remake with almost all foreigners on Stage 3 lol.
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Post by dakohosu on Mar 28, 2024 8:35:36 GMT -5
100 probably would have been the perfect time limit for 32's Stage 2. If they really kept 90 seconds, I thought that the clearers would have been Brent, Anastase, Drew and Tomo. Probably Inui was worried that if he kept the 90 seconds on Stage 2, few people attempted his fully buffed Stage 3, probably the reason because still now Stage 2 is a child's playground, because Inui spent almost all his budget on Stage 3 and he want more and more competitors to attempt his new additions, also for marketing's purpose, as we saw with the Spinwinder and the Swing Edge in 39. And he was also worried to see a 26's remake with almost all foreigners on Stage 3 lol. There were allegedly meant to be 3 new obstacles on Stage 2, one of which would've been the conveyer, so it's clear Stage 2 took the hit in terms of the low budget, which I heard was about a quarter of what it was for 31. I'm not sure I believe that figure given that we did get a fair few changes but needless to say it was likely lower. I'd also wager one of these possible changes would've been a new Salmon Ladder, given that the Nobori/Kudari was clearly only meant as a placeholder to quickly replace the broken Swap while they thought of a new alternative. Funny because the Nobori/Kudari hasn't been replaced at all since, and has survived TWO renewals, with 100% clear rates in multiple tournaments. I think a time limit of 90 seconds would've been fine tbh, because it was 100 in 31 and we had multiple 10+ second clears with little trouble, 32's Conveyer took about 5 seconds to complete, and the point of a renewal was ultimately for the course to be a fair bit harder. And fundamentally the back half works a lot better when it's crunch time. Realistically if the time limit was lower it would cause competitors to haul a** more, it was clear most weren't going as fast as they could as they could afford to. Brent would've cleared with the 90 second time limit going at the same pace he did, and he was going pretty slowly. I'd say the only competitors who would've timed out would've been Shunsuke and Suzuki, the latter of whom would've made sense as he was very clearly completely out of his element on Stage 3. In terms of why he increased the TL so drastically, Inui has a habit of nerfing Stage 2 whenever there's a buffed Stage 3, so he can showcase more attempts and hence fails on the new course to make its mark. This is why he nerfed Stage 2 for 39 so we could get more Swing Edge/Spinwinder fails, as well as another example I can't talk about on General Sasuke. I guess it kind of makes sense, but comes at the expense of Stage 2 just being an absolute slog of clear fests. Going from 50 to 100% clear rate from 31 to 32 was too much imo, even if the average caliber of competitors attempting 32's course were overall higher. |
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