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Post by ItalianNinja08 on Jan 27, 2024 12:13:54 GMT -5
Assuming that Nagano didn't announce retirement before 32, what would have been the final 10 line-up? I say:
#91 Darvish
#92 Kong
#93 Ryo
#94 Yuuji
#95 Anastase
#96 DD
#97 Nagano
#98 Asa
#99 Kawaguchi
#100 Kanno
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 27, 2024 13:52:05 GMT -5
Assuming that Nagano didn't announce retirement before 32, what would have been the final 10 line-up? I say: #91 Darvish #92 Kong #93 Ryo #94 Yuuji #95 Anastase #96 DD #97 Nagano #98 Asa #99 Kawaguchi #100 Kanno I doubt they'd give someone like Kanno #100 given that unlike Ryo or Yusuke who wore #100 in the prior two tournaments, he: 1) didn't make the Final Stage, 2) merely did the best out of anyone competing, rather than actually being the overall best of that tournament, and 3) wasn't considered to be particularly show-worthy given the numerous times he got digested. Hell, many (myself included) think that Yusuke getting #100 in 30 was a bit unwarranted given that it was his first notable run. Mine would probably be: #91 - Shingo (Takeda and Shingo got low #90s in 33 and 34 so makes sense) #92 - Ryo (failed Stage 1 in 31, and probably didn't want a very high number as wearing #100 in 31 definitely mentally choked him) #93 - Yuuji (at the time he preferred slightly lower numbers, failed Stage 1 in 31, I also gave him #93 to honor the same number he wore when he won in 24) #94 - Drew (I would've put him higher but he only started to get above #95 after his Cliffhanger clear in 32 given Inui's biases) #95 - Anastase (for his incredible breakout run, #95 seems reasonable given how he got the 4th highest number for a non-All Star in 32) #96 - Kong (similar spot to in 30, directly below Asa and Kanno, above others due to his stronger track record) #97 - Asa (lower than the two below due to having never beaten the Cliffhanger, but still this high given how popular he was) #98 - Kanno (best performance out of anyone competing from 31 but still hadn't made the Final in RISING like Tomo did) #99 - Kawaguchi (made the Final in 30 and got #99 in subsequent tournaments so makes sense) #100 - Nagano (default choice when there's no one else to wear it, like in 29) Those are my personal choices, though realistically it would've been Shingo and Takeda as like #90-91, Nagano still at #100, while everyone else at #90 and above bumped up by two spots. So Ryo at 92, Darvish at 93, Kong at 94, etc. I would've personally put Darvish in the #80s with the other celebrities like Takeru and Mori etc. given that he didn't start to get properly high numbers like #95+ until Sasuke 35, and his performance in 31 wasn't particularly noteworthy beyond being his first Stage 1 clear. He definitely improved a lot in the later tournaments, as well as arguably becoming a major face of the show. ABC-Z gave a really strong debut performance in 31, but got #11 in 32 after all, lol. |
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Post by ItalianNinja08 on Jan 27, 2024 17:28:13 GMT -5
Kanno deserved #100 for his insane consistency throughout all RISING era
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 27, 2024 17:48:08 GMT -5
Kanno deserved #100 for his insane consistency throughout all RISING era That's never really been enough to warrant #100, especially with three of the four tournaments being Cliffhanger fails and no Final Stage attempt within that period. Ryo got #100 for being the best performer in 30 and making the Final a second time in four tournaments. Yusuke got #100 in 30 for being best performer AND representing the open cup, and even there people think him getting that number was ridiculous. Kawaguchi made the Final in 30, which Kanno didn't manage in 30 or 31, and he wouldn't have got #100 for sure. Imo #100 needs to be for someone with either huge significance or is the firm Number 1 to win it all again. Kanno was arguably neither of those things. I would probably put Nagano at #100, by default, because he's still the most impactful competitor in the show's history. Just my take though. |
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Post by ItalianNinja08 on Jan 27, 2024 18:15:03 GMT -5
It's a similiar case of SASUKE 9 "What if Akiyama didn't announce retirement" scenario. It's pretty hard to decide which of the 4 All-Stars really deserved #100 in 9. Same with 32: probably the two most deserving for me were Tomo and Kanno; Nagano was massively declining; Asa was perennial Cliffhanger fodder; Ryo and Yuuji struggled with very high numbers; and the foreigners will always have 0 chance of wearing #100.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 28, 2024 14:52:58 GMT -5
It's a similiar case of SASUKE 9 "What if Akiyama didn't announce retirement" scenario. It's pretty hard to decide which of the 4 All-Stars really deserved #100 in 9. Same with 32: probably the two most deserving for me were Tomo and Kanno; Nagano was massively declining; Asa was perennial Cliffhanger fodder; Ryo and Yuuji struggled with very high numbers; and the foreigners will always have 0 chance of wearing #100. Numbers are, for the most part, trivial, but #100 carries a load of weight to it. It's almost considered to be sacred by the competitors, which is why competitors like Ryo and Yuuji struggled so badly wearing them, yet are fine in the high 90s. This is because typically the number is only awarded to the reigning champion, the current Number 1, or a competitor with a huge level of legacy and impact on the show. I'm a firm believer that the latter should be the default if the reigning champion/Number 1 isn't competing, rather than simply who did the best out of anyone from the last tournament, if for no other reason than marketing purposes. Because everyone who's into Sasuke knows Yamada and Nagano like the back of their hand, Kanno less so. Nagano wearing #100 for his legacy, fame, and impact on the show imo makes more sense than Kanno, because Kanno wasn't considered to be particularly screenworthy as shown by his numerous digests, and while consistent, delivered 3 general Cliffhanger fails and one clear but still didn't make the Final Stage, so wouldn't have been considered as enough of a threat to win to wear the number, like Ryo was when he came inches from winning in 30. Same with Tomo, he did make the Final in 30 but his attempt was pretty bad, and failed the Cliffhanger in 31. Nagano's also worn the number numerous times where no one else seems right to fit the bill, like in 27 and 29, where it would've ideally been Yuuji but we know the story with him. Re Sasuke 9, I think it probably would've just been Akiyama and Yamada swapped, as Shingo and Takeda seemed to perennially get given #98 and #97 for some reason. Imo Shingo only really deserved #100 in Sasuke 8 (because Akiyama was always going to be given #100 in 6 no matter what), and Takeda arguably hasn't delivered any performance worthy of wearing #100, as he's never been the solid Number 1 competitor and didn't have the track record that Yamada or Akiyama had at the time. #99? Sure, in 16 and 22, at least, but #100, nope. If Kane had returned for 9, he may well have worn #100 given his run in the prior tournament and the fact he's a huge celebrity/big deal. It would've made perfect sense, unless he didn't want the number due to pressure. On a side note, I would pay a LOT of money to see Shingo wear #100 in his last ever tournament given his perfect attendance record, because him retiring would be a HUGE deal. |
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Post by zoran on Jan 28, 2024 14:55:31 GMT -5
It's a similiar case of SASUKE 9 "What if Akiyama didn't announce retirement" scenario. It's pretty hard to decide which of the 4 All-Stars really deserved #100 in 9. Same with 32: probably the two most deserving for me were Tomo and Kanno; Nagano was massively declining; Asa was perennial Cliffhanger fodder; Ryo and Yuuji struggled with very high numbers; and the foreigners will always have 0 chance of wearing #100. Numbers are, for the most part, trivial, but #100 carries a load of weight to it. It's almost considered to be sacred by the competitors, which is why competitors like Ryo and Yuuji struggled so badly wearing them, yet are fine in the high 90s. This is because typically the number is only awarded to the reigning champion, the current Number 1, or a competitor with a huge level of legacy and impact on the show. I'm a firm believer that the latter should be the default if the reigning champion/Number 1 isn't competing, rather than simply who did the best out of anyone from the last tournament, if for no other reason than marketing purposes. Because everyone who's into Sasuke knows Yamada and Nagano like the back of their hand, Kanno less so. Nagano wearing #100 for his legacy, fame, and impact on the show imo makes more sense than Kanno, because Kanno wasn't considered to be particularly screenworthy as shown by his numerous digests, and while consistent, delivered 3 general Cliffhanger fails and one clear but still didn't make the Final Stage, so wouldn't have been considered as enough of a threat to win to wear the number, like Ryo was when he came inches from winning in 30. Same with Tomo, he did make the Final in 30 but his attempt was pretty bad, and failed the Cliffhanger in 31. Nagano's also worn the number numerous times where no one else seems right to fit the bill, like in 27 and 29, where it would've ideally been Yuuji but we know the story with him. Re Sasuke 9, I think it probably would've just been Akiyama and Yamada swapped, as Shingo and Takeda seemed to perennially get given #98 and #97 for some reason. Imo Shingo only really deserved #100 in Sasuke 8 (because Akiyama was always going to be given #100 in 6 no matter what), and Takeda arguably hasn't delivered any performance worthy of wearing #100, as he's never been the solid Number 1 competitor and didn't have the track record that Yamada or Akiyama had at the time. #99? Sure, in 16 and 22, at least, but #100, nope. If Kane had returned for 9, he may well have worn #100 given his run in the prior tournament and the fact he's a huge celebrity/big deal. It would've made perfect sense, unless he didn't want the number due to pressure. Hypothetically if Kane did return in 9 with number 100, what would 9's rating look like? |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 28, 2024 14:58:06 GMT -5
Hypothetically if Kane did return in 9 with number 100, what would 9's rating look like? Higher, lol. |
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Post by zoran on Jan 28, 2024 14:59:07 GMT -5
Hypothetically if Kane did return in 9 with number 100, what would 9's rating look like? Higher, lol. Would it surpass 26%? |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 28, 2024 15:07:35 GMT -5
Maybe. Depends on how they market the show; how big they hype Kane's return after his near miss in the prior tournament, the All-Stars, whether the All-Stars would even exist to begin with, whether Kane would've been an All-Star/deemed "head" of the All-Stars, etc. |
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