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[shunsukenumber98]

If Kanno returns to sasuke 42, do you guys think he stands a chance at clearing stage one again? If so, how far do you think he would go? 

[dakohosu]

Jan 22, 2024 11:40:24 GMT -5 shunsukenumber98 said:

If Kanno returns to sasuke 42, do you guys think he stands a chance at clearing stage one again? If so, how far do you think he would go? 

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but very unlikely, given that it would be coming up to 9 years that he hasn't cleared by the time 42 rolls around, and numerous injuries have accounted for a lot of that time hampering progress in terms of training.

He's had numerous troubles with the Dragon Glider, there's nothing to suggest that just because he cleared it in 40 that he'll never fail it again, and there's still going to be a mental element to it because he's failed it four times.

Then there's the wall. He's had his leg in a brace for quite a long time now, he had it on during 40, had it on during training sessions for 41, and obviously recently tore his calf muscle. So there's a good chance that the minor injury that possibly (in combination with his stamina that's been hit by a truck) prevented him clearing it in 40, has now become chronic. So it's not as simple as just because he almost cleared in 40 means he'll likely clear it in 42. As mentioned he could fail the DG again anyway, but he'll be further disadvantaged lower body wise. This is also assuming he doesn't sustain some kind of other injury between now and then, which, let's be honest, is probably going to happen, especially his shoulder which has relapsed 10+ times now, and will further disadvantage him in terms of lack of ability to train etc.

Kanno is becoming a kind of Matsuda where he is physically capable of clearing based on his ability to clear replicas, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't since 31, so why 42 will be any different, especially with him coming off of an injury and being almost 40 (which isn't old these days, but the older you get, the harder it becomes to retain stamina let alone build it, and his stamina is basically gone now), I don't know, and that sentiment just becomes more prominent the more he continues to fail Stage 1. 

There's also the possibility that, let alone being set back by injuries, he might get kept out of competing in 42 altogether because of said injuries. Because he'll for sure be training a lot in advance which is when he's most susceptible to sustaining injuries, and he is made of glass. I'll get some backlash on this, but I've been an advocate of Kanno retiring for a while now. Being hospitalized constantly isn't worth any amount of success, let alone having none in the past few years. It's a negative feedback loop of him feeling he needs to train harder to up his game, resulting in further injuries and so forth. Eventually they're going to become chronic which is not what you want as you get older.

If he does clear Stage 1, I see him timing out on Stage 2 with an (imo) expected change for 42 (even time limit), due to his stamina and lack of recent experience on later stages.

[katoshiho]

He can clear for at least one more time, but 42 prediction will be time out at Wall Lift or somewhere earlier.

[azn]

Even after his last third stage attempt, he can still do a 180 jump successfully on a cliffhanger, so that's something at least.

But yeah, if the stars align perfectly, I'll say that he's going out on Sidewinder or Swing Edge. Sidewinder because of his lower body issues, and given he would need to absorb impact on multiple occasions with his weakened lower body, means that my confidence level isn't that high when it comes to that area. Swing Edge purely because of unfamiliarity with the movement (he'd probably fail it in a similar manner to Tomo in SK40)

Realistically though, I could honestly see him failing Twin Dia due to unfamiliarity, but I think it's the usual first stage suspects that will most likely take him down, with those suspects being either Dragon Glider or Warped Wall. Should he in fact clear, the most I could see him go would be either the Salmon Ladder, due to the effects of the Rolling Log, or the Spider Walk/Spider Drop.

[dakohosu]

Jan 23, 2024 0:24:40 GMT -5 azn said:

Even after his last third stage attempt, he can still do a 180 jump successfully on a cliffhanger, so that's something at least.

But yeah, if the stars align perfectly, I'll say that he's going out on Sidewinder or Swing Edge. Sidewinder because of his lower body issues, and given he would need to absorb impact on multiple occasions with his weakened lower body, means that my confidence level isn't that high when it comes to that area. Swing Edge purely because of unfamiliarity with the movement (he'd probably fail it in a similar manner to Tomo in SK40)

Realistically though, I could honestly see him failing Twin Dia due to unfamiliarity, but I think it's the usual first stage suspects that will most likely take him down, with those suspects being either Dragon Glider or Warped Wall. Should he in fact clear, the most I could see him go would be either the Salmon Ladder, due to the effects of the Rolling Log, or the Spider Walk/Spider Drop.

Kanno still holds up on Stage 3 for sure, but his biggest issue is that he doesn't train in the right way, specifically failing to address where he's failed for the past few years (ie Stage 1). 

There's little point in training on the Cliffhanger or Vertical Limit if you can't even make it there to begin with, which he hasn't since 31. Yet most of his training seems to be Stage 3-related stuff, or grip training, none of which are going to help him avenge his past failures. It's specifically his stamina that's really taken a hit since his injury in 32, likely a combination of being out of action due to surgery and also general aging as well. Even if you watch his run in 35, where he was only a couple of Stage 1 fails deep, his agility seemed to be nowhere near what it was only a couple of years back. FWIW, Nagano stated around 32 time that his upper body was still as strong as it was years ago, but it was his endurance and stamina that had really started to decline. It's clearly the same sort of story with Kanno, except here he's just capitalising on what he's good at without addressing what's actually preventing him from showing those strengths. 

He needs to actually train more lower body and stamina-based stuff, especially as he's nearing 40 now where general fitness becomes much more difficult to uphold, let alone build, compared to upper body. The complication is that he's had a leg injury for the past year and a bit now, and straight up tore the muscle a few months ago now, so it's not quite as simple as that. I feel for that reason that such an injury could potentially be career ending for him, as if his constant shoulder issues weren't already, because it's specifically compromising the element he needs to work on to break out of his seemingly unrecoverable Stage 1 failure streak.