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Post by loboticialtree on Jan 5, 2024 18:11:41 GMT -5
How did so many people have the ability to clear Stage One? While I know this is the easiest era of SASUKE, but 37 clears after a tournament which only had 13 stage clears is amazing. Even with the new changes with the Rolling Log, and the Rope Climb, how this possible? Well, I can't exactly explain that they trained harder, as not many people trained outside of Yamada, Akiyama, and a few others, and given the results of Stage 2, it's clear it's not because of training. I think it could be due to the environment surrounding the tournament. Since this tournament was held most likely in September, the conditions were warm, and were more ideal, than 3's, where it was a lot more colder since it was held around January/February. But what do you think is the most contributing factor of why 37 people cleared Stage One?
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 5, 2024 18:22:37 GMT -5
I would guess just a better competitive field. Maybe for Sasuke 4 they had a more rigorous application and screening process because they wanted a stronger field due to the changes they made to Stage 3 and potentially wanting a winner.
It’s not massively surprising, we went from 13 clears to 24 from Sasuke 33 to 34 despite a lower time limit, from 8 to 15 from 35 to 36, from 3 to 9 from 20 to 21, etc. I could definitely see a stronger competitive field and the lack of surprise of the Rolling Log accounting for a bunch more clears.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jan 5, 2024 19:56:18 GMT -5
It's the same as SASUKE 2: No changes on the course.
We see that even with reduced time limit, there's 34 competitors clearing in SASUKE 2 compared to 23 in SASUKE 1. It's the same case for SASUKE 4. The only deadly obstacle at this point *if you are careful, of course (I'm looking at you, Yamamoto)* is Rolling Maruta. This of course in return create a weaker field in Second Stage and it is proven as until now this tournament featured the most failures in Second Stage *there are 26 failures*.
Which is why again the introduction of Jump Hang-Soritatsu Kabe is genius since that prevent the need of introducing deadly obstacles in First Stage every tournament and they could focus on latter stages.
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Post by loboticialtree on Jan 6, 2024 10:05:10 GMT -5
I would guess just a better competitive field. Maybe for Sasuke 4 they had a more rigorous application and screening process because they wanted a stronger field due to the changes they made to Stage 3 and potentially wanting a winner. It’s not massively surprising, we went from 13 clears to 24 from Sasuke 33 to 34 despite a lower time limit, from 8 to 15 from 35 to 36, from 3 to 9 from 20 to 21, etc. I could definitely see a stronger competitive field and the lack of surprise of the Rolling Log accounting for a bunch more clears. Well, I guess that could be case. I'm not sure about the finer details, but I do see that as a plausibility. Here's the problem, 26 people failed Stage Two, most at the Spider Walk. Which, if that's the case, 4's lineup isn't that strong compared to 3. But also I guess it's understandable given the familiarity of Stages One & Two. |
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Post by loboticialtree on Jan 6, 2024 10:10:47 GMT -5
It's the same as SASUKE 2: No changes on the course. We see that even with reduced time limit, there's 34 competitors clearing in SASUKE 2 compared to 23 in SASUKE 1. It's the same case for SASUKE 4. The only deadly obstacle at this point *if you are careful, of course (I'm looking at you, Yamamoto)* is Rolling Maruta. This of course in return create a weaker field in Second Stage and it is proven as until now this tournament featured the most failures in Second Stage *there are 26 failures*. Which is why again the introduction of Jump Hang-Soritatsu Kabe is genius since that prevent the need of introducing deadly obstacles in First Stage every tournament and they could focus on latter stages. This is the most likely answer in my opinion. Which SASUKE 4's stage one shares a lot of similarities with SASUKE 2's Stage One: lots of people cut, and the course unchanged. I do agree that with it being unchanged, people did it better, albeit still rather slowly given the clear digest could lead as a good example. |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 6, 2024 12:01:27 GMT -5
I would guess just a better competitive field. Maybe for Sasuke 4 they had a more rigorous application and screening process because they wanted a stronger field due to the changes they made to Stage 3 and potentially wanting a winner. It’s not massively surprising, we went from 13 clears to 24 from Sasuke 33 to 34 despite a lower time limit, from 8 to 15 from 35 to 36, from 3 to 9 from 20 to 21, etc. I could definitely see a stronger competitive field and the lack of surprise of the Rolling Log accounting for a bunch more clears. Well, I guess that could be case. I'm not sure about the finer details, but I do see that as a plausibility. Here's the problem, 26 people failed Stage Two, most at the Spider Walk. Which, if that's the case, 4's lineup isn't that strong compared to 3. But also I guess it's understandable given the familiarity of Stages One & Two. The thing is the easier Stage 1 is relatively, the worse the Stage 2 field on average because you get a lot of fodder competitors clearing Stage 1 who are almost definitely going to fail Stage 2. If Stage 1 is harder, the Stage 2 field is more elite and hence a higher proportion of those remaining have a legitimate shot of clearing. Compare Sasuke 34 and 35 for example. 34's Stage 1 was quite easy so we got 24 clears, but a lot of these were from less skills competitors who mostly just failed the Salmon Ladder, resulting in only 9 Stage 2 clears (38%). 35's Stage 1 was buffed so we only got 8 Stage 1 clears, yet got a higher Stage 2 clear rate of 63% with 5/8 clearing. Mainly because majority of the Stage 2 fodder competitors in 35 were eliminated by the harder Stage 1. Now I'm possibly jumping the gun here given that 3 and 4's Stage 1s were identical so I'm assuming the familiarity of the obstacles makes 4's Stage 1 relatively a lot easier, but yeah, I would guess many of who would've failed the Spider Walk in 3 instead failed Stage 1 due to the obstacles being new then. Also, with 4 being taped in summer time, the Spider Walk would've been a tad tougher due to sweaty hands. |
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Post by loboticialtree on Jan 6, 2024 21:10:31 GMT -5
The thing is the easier Stage 1 is relatively, the worse the Stage 2 field on average because you get a lot of fodder competitors clearing Stage 1 who are almost definitely going to fail Stage 2. If Stage 1 is harder, the Stage 2 field is more elite and hence a higher proportion of those remaining have a legitimate shot of clearing. Compare Sasuke 34 and 35 for example. 34's Stage 1 was quite easy so we got 24 clears, but a lot of these were from less skills competitors who mostly just failed the Salmon Ladder, resulting in only 9 Stage 2 clears (38%). 35's Stage 1 was buffed so we only got 8 Stage 1 clears, yet got a higher Stage 2 clear rate of 63% with 5/8 clearing. Mainly because majority of the Stage 2 fodder competitors in 35 were eliminated by the harder Stage 1. Now I'm possibly jumping the gun here given that 3 and 4's Stage 1s were identical so I'm assuming the familiarity of the obstacles makes 4's Stage 1 relatively a lot easier, but yeah, I would guess many of who would've failed the Spider Walk in 3 instead failed Stage 1 due to the obstacles being new then. Also, with 4 being taped in summer time, the Spider Walk would've been a tad tougher due to sweaty hands. That, I haven't exactly thought off before. It does make sense when you compare tournaments such as 34 and 35. Also, I do think so with the Spider Walk being more slippery. |
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