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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Oct 16, 2023 18:38:47 GMT -5
This is definitely a bummer, but completely understandable. SMF was how I got into the larger Ninja Community, and I will always appreciate it for that. While I don’t post here nearly as often as I used to, these forums will always hold a special place in my heart when it comes to my journey with Ninja. With that said, I highly encourage you all to join The Ninja Masters Discord. I ran it, and while I will be stepping down in 2024, the server will be in the VERY capable hands of thatoneuser who’s an SMF OG and I think you guys would have a great home there. The server is meant to cover more than JUST Sasuke, but Sasuke fans always have a home there. The nice thing about Discord is that you can customize it to your liking. You can mute chats you don’t care about, block some out, and only focus on things you like. I also see a lot of complaints about record-keeping being not as great for Discord, but if you prefer smaller servers, you can make those to your liking and have them as read-only so only the important stuff is posted and it remains there as long as you’d like. We also have The Vault, a separate server with documents and files comprising of nearly every Ninja/Sasuke/Banzuke related event. We have Sportsman, ANW, NW France, Kunoichi, etc. All in one place! Sasuke? TBS, JET, G4, Challenge and even Guerrero cuts are all there! I’ll miss this place too, but let’s keep our hopes up! There’s now an endless number of opportunities for new ways to enjoy these shows for everyone here, and I do think it will be enjoyable for you all. If you’re new to Discord or Reddit, feel free to message me here and I can help you guys get familiar with how it works, no problem. I troll sometimes and get conversations going sideways occasionally when it comes to this stuff, but at the end of the day what matters to me is that we all have a place to discuss. Enjoy!!!
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Oct 21, 2023 19:54:30 GMT -5
"I think you guys would have a great home there"
"I troll sometimes and get conversations going sideways"
This, right here, is why we want SMF to stay.
Kane, I'm not saying you yourself are bad, I'm sure you're a good guy, but if you own that server, why do we have any reason to believe that it isn't full of people who do the same thing, especially because there's like, 600+ people?
With SMF, there's nobody like that except the occasional troll, (which btw, would be banned if mod is given to more active members, I'm just saying) whereas with Discord, from most accounts and by my own experience in servers, even ones with only ~30 people, there's gonna be trolls that have nothing done about them because they're either on good terms with the owner or the owner doesn't care.
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Post by Sasuke Mania on Oct 22, 2023 2:37:05 GMT -5
"I think you guys would have a great home there" "I troll sometimes and get conversations going sideways" This, right here, is why we want SMF to stay. Kane, I'm not saying you yourself are bad, I'm sure you're a good guy, but if you own that server, why do we have any reason to believe that it isn't full of people who do the same thing, especially because there's like, 600+ people? With SMF, there's nobody like that except the occasional troll, (which btw, would be banned if mod is given to more active members, I'm just saying) whereas with Discord, from most accounts and by my own experience in servers, even ones with only ~30 people, there's gonna be trolls that have nothing done about them because they're either on good terms with the owner or the owner doesn't care. I don't particularly feel he used the right wording. I'm in there (need to point out, all of what I'm saying in here and what I said in my previous message have zero bias intended) and I can vouch for pretty much all he said, we don't really try to "troll", we just have fun..of course there are cases where things can get out of hand, and in those cases we do what we can to deescalate. Rules are fairly similar to how they are here, and considering we've had like actual trolls before, we try to take swift action (In fact, Discord themselves recently to to help handle those situations quicker). We try to take things seriously but we also like to have fun, basically, we try to make everyone feel welcome. Also, like Eclipse said, even the sizes of some Discord servers can be inflated. There are between 500~600 members in TNM, yes, but not every single person is active all the time; I barely pay attention to it but if I had to guess, it'd probably be a little less than 200 that are fully active rn, maybe over. A lot of people just join the server for the incoming tournament and then just never leave, never say anything, and it'll be the same case this year I'm sure lol. In the 15 years these forums have been up, almost 5000 members have joined, including us. Yet the record for most people online at the same time is 410. I understand your concerns, and I do understand not liking a sudden change like this, but as someone who was skeptical a while back, I do honestly feel that this community will feel at home there. I feel like Kane has done a great job with it, and considering he had the previous largest Discord for like what, five years? I feel thatoneuser will do a great job moving forward.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 25, 2023 2:13:00 GMT -5
Only now did I find this thread. I seldom participate these days aside from posting updates on Drew’s thread.
I find it sad that aside from this thread, no other input was asked for others to carry the torch. That said, I barely post these days and have moved from the show. Still, there is no maintenance for this side aside from moderation. Others learning from this thread realize the gap are asking to step up. Yet no discussion has taken place to let them carry the torch. I don’t see a reason to put it on read only simply because the 2 last mods have moved on. It would have been easier to ask for mod replacements and move on. Instead you plan to torch over a decade of discussions on a site that is free to use and maintain.
For those who moved on that’s their choice, but to take down the site for those who choose to use it… I find appalling.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Oct 26, 2023 15:29:54 GMT -5
With SMF, there's nobody like that except the occasional troll, (which btw, would be banned if mod is given to more active members, I'm just saying) whereas with Discord, from most accounts and by my own experience in servers, even ones with only ~30 people, there's gonna be trolls that have nothing done about them because they're either on good terms with the owner or the owner doesn't care. I can understand all your concerns prior to this paragraph, but then you say this. You express you're hesitant of trolls on TNM but then just show that the same thing is here on SMF. I mean no disrespect when I say this but if you're worried about trolls in a community, the internet as a whole is not a safe place for you. That's virtually every community on said world wide web. But anyways... For starters, you don't know what the community is fully like in TNM, and you're kind of just jumping to conclusions. Secondly, if you're worried about me being the leader and having a sense of humor, I'm stepping down, as I said in my original post. I don't have minions or cronies, nor is anyone a problem cuz we banned everyone from the server who's like that. But if that's really a concern for you, rest assured it shouldn't be. Third, what Sasuke Mania said is true. Not all 700 people on TNM are active. It'll be more active this time of year because Sasuke is coming, but overall it's a smaller percentage of fun, humorous, respectful people who do nothing but lift each other up and laugh at memes. And we have actual Ninjas on the server too. They wouldn't feel safe posting their workout videos if we were toxic. It's a big hypefest, but not always a 700-person hypefest. Hope that clears things up.
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Post by azn on Oct 27, 2023 23:31:30 GMT -5
I haven't been on here as long as others but I knew of SMF's existence since around 2014 ish and finally decided to make an account in 2020.
This site has made me rekindle my spark for SASUKE again and it sucks that it will effectively be deactivated by the end of this year but considering how old this site is, the fact that people including myself have become less active, and the lack of activity from the mods (which I completely understand) means that I guess it was about time. At least it'll go out as something to look back on (literally and figuratively) and not go into obscurity. At least that's something.
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Post by brz0ny on Oct 28, 2023 5:02:40 GMT -5
Yeah now I am on my knees begging for this to not be the end after seeing Kane talk about what TNM is like.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Oct 28, 2023 19:31:59 GMT -5
As someone who registered here over 10 years ago, and still views this forum regularly, I really hope the decision to do this gets changed. It doesn't feel like something that's impossible to keep going.
For me it's the most comfortable place to discuss the show, both its past and present. Nothing about this forum feels outdated to me, at all.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Oct 30, 2023 10:00:02 GMT -5
Yeah now I am on my knees begging for this to not be the end after seeing Kane talk about what TNM is like. I'm starting to think you guys are reading completely different messages tbh LOL like hey if you don't join I 100% respect your decision but that 2nd post I made was nothing but reassurances so I'm just a bit confused on your hangup.
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Oct 30, 2023 13:46:31 GMT -5
I feel we should all give it a chance before we go up in arms, I get it, some people like the forums more and I can understand that, but considering the forum has ran for more than a decade at this point, and a lot of the new discussions aren't really proactive at this point, I feel we should give Kane a chance before actually forming an opinion.
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Nov 1, 2023 7:30:47 GMT -5
I feel we should all give it a chance before we go up in arms, I get it, some people like the forums more and I can understand that, but considering the forum has ran for more than a decade at this point, and a lot of the new discussions aren't really proactive at this point, I feel we should give Kane a chance before actually forming an opinion. I’ve been on SMF for about a decade at this point and I am currently on the mod team at TNM. I’m not the most active of mods, admittedly, but I do lurk and occasionally speak. I will say that I think Kane and Yam and the rest of the TNM team are phenomenal. They care about the community and the server is a fantastic place with lots of insightful discussion. There are occasional sidetracked moments, but considering a thread called “The Random Thread of Randomness” (I probably got that wrong) has been running since dinosaurs roamed the earth… Do I want SMF to close? Of course not. But I don’t think it’s very fair to Kane to shut him down like that. TNM is a great spot for the community and everyone there cares about SASUKE and the Ninja world very much. Ultimately it’s your choice to join, but I feel like I made the right decision when I did.
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Nov 1, 2023 8:21:54 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I'm not shutting down Kane at all. I'm sure people will prefer TNM to SMF, and that's fine. But for the people that do prefer SMF to TNM, they have reasons. I personally like how on SMF, everyone has a voice and at least gets their posts seen, whereas in an active Discord server, even ones with only 100 active members, it's very easy to have your message go unnoticed or not be acknowledged at all. I totally understand that this doesn't apply to everyone, but I absolutely hate when that happens for reasons that I don't think I should be getting into here.
Again, not at all saying TNM is the worst place in the world, but SMF is preferred by some people, and actually, katoshiho, a decently active member here, can't join TNM if I'm remembering his country of residence correctly since Discord is banned.
I guess what I've been trying to say the entire time is that most people do like SMF even if yes, it isn't the most active community, and when the torch can pretty easily be passed down re: mods if the amount of reports the current ones get is the main problem, it seems like the easy way out is being taken.
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Nov 1, 2023 11:33:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I'm not shutting down Kane at all. I'm sure people will prefer TNM to SMF, and that's fine. But for the people that do prefer SMF to TNM, they have reasons. I personally like how on SMF, everyone has a voice and at least gets their posts seen, whereas in an active Discord server, even ones with only 100 active members, it's very easy to have your message go unnoticed or not be acknowledged at all. I totally understand that this doesn't apply to everyone, but I absolutely hate when that happens for reasons that I don't think I should be getting into here. Again, not at all saying TNM is the worst place in the world, but SMF is preferred by some people, and actually, katoshiho, a decently active member here, can't join TNM if I'm remembering his country of residence correctly since Discord is banned. I guess what I've been trying to say the entire time is that most people do like SMF even if yes, it isn't the most active community, and when the torch can pretty easily be passed down re: mods if the amount of reports the current ones get is the main problem, it seems like the easy way out is being taken. To each their own I guess, I'm not saying that people can't prefer SMF to TNM, I just prefer if people don't completely disregard something without at least checking it out first, and it just seems like a lot of people here aren't giving the TNM mods that time of day. Again I do understand if people prefer SMF if they did check out the server and found they don't like it, but it feels like a lot of people here are just forming an opinion immediately.
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Nov 1, 2023 11:46:16 GMT -5
To each their own I guess, I'm not saying that people can't prefer SMF to TNM, I just prefer if people don't completely disregard something without at least checking it out first, and it just seems like a lot of people here aren't giving the TNM mods that time of day. Again I do understand if people prefer SMF if they did check out the server and found they don't like it, but it feels like a lot of people here are just forming an opinion immediately. Myself, I was in the server for a bit and I have several friends who are in there, keeping me posted on what it's like from time to time. I've checked out both sides of the coin, and I've formed an opinion on which I like more.
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Nov 19, 2023 10:53:18 GMT -5
I would like to see more mods recruited rather than the site shut down, as long as people are willing to step up. If there are still moderation concerns after that, then I suggest locking as many sub-forums as necessary until the site is small enough to handle by a small team of semi-active mods. At the very least, I'd like to see the General Sasuke sub-forum stay open.
Also, while I do use Discord, I don't consider it a replacement for a forum. One is a chat room, while the other facilitates long-forum discussion. They are not the same.
The community is smaller than it was, but we're still a community, and this is our home. It would be a shame to lose it.
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Post by hoseasasuke on Nov 22, 2023 19:55:23 GMT -5
Discovering Sasuke Maniac has been such a unique part of being a fan of this show.
Why prevent newer fans from doing and experiencing the same thing?
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Post by loboticialtree on Nov 22, 2023 20:04:18 GMT -5
To add on to one more thing... Not allowing new users to create their own accounts? Why? A handful of the sub-forums are locked, and need someone to sign in. Otherwise, it would be unviewable. They could also want to see past members, and their activies. Just still allow other users to make their own accounts, due to some thins being locked out.
EDIT: Even if this forum is locked, at least allow people for the first time looking at SMF to create their own accounts. Otherwise, they wouldn't see past discussions on SASUKE tournaments at the time (on some of them).
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Post by Eclipse on Nov 22, 2023 22:21:41 GMT -5
Stopping in to send a thank you to everyone for all of the replies here and elsewhere. I've been reading all of them and taking time to reflect on them over the last month.
Tomorrow I'll be posting a full update here. I'd meant to do so about two weeks ago, but I had some life curveballs that make me unable to do so earlier.
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Nov 23, 2023 7:38:05 GMT -5
Stopping in to send a thank you to everyone for all of the replies here and elsewhere. I've been reading all of them and taking time to reflect on them over the last month. Tomorrow I'll be posting a full update here. I'd meant to do so about two weeks ago, but I had some life curveballs that make me unable to do so earlier. Thank you for taking our voices into consideration. Looking forward to hearing from you!
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 23, 2023 7:40:00 GMT -5
I would like to see more mods recruited rather than the site shut down, as long as people are willing to step up. If there are still moderation concerns after that, then I suggest locking as many sub-forums as necessary until the site is small enough to handle by a small team of semi-active mods. At the very least, I'd like to see the General Sasuke sub-forum stay open. Also, while I do use Discord, I don't consider it a replacement for a forum. One is a chat room, while the other facilitates long-forum discussion. They are not the same. The community is smaller than it was, but we're still a community, and this is our home. It would be a shame to lose it. I'll happily put myself forward to be a mod. Especially as I feel I can ensure that SMF doesn't go down the same route as it did earlier this year, where a few regulars left due to some difficult situations that were not handled quickly enough. Agreed that Discord isn't a replacement for a forum, much easier to read over past threads and discussions in this format rather than one long string of messages. And you get more of a feeling like you're actually being heard rather than being drowned out by 100+ other users. SMF feels a lot more intricate and you can actually have more analytical conversations and discussions. I also don't think it's fair to shut down the forum right after 41 airs; because that, if anything, is when the forum is the most active. It seems like the reasoning for shutting down SMF was the recent drop in users, but this was mostly driven by the fact that we were in the no-man's land time frame where the hype from the previous tournament had died down, while there wasn't enough to go on re 41. Leaving the forum active after 41 I think will showcase a strong return for a lot of users to discuss the events of the tournament.
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