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Post by arsenette on Apr 8, 2009 15:59:55 GMT -5
Nah that's the point of randomness on the jumping spider fail of Nakata. Everyone could have NEVER guessed Takeda fudging the Spider in 22.. so if he can fudge it anyone can:p
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 8, 2009 16:02:06 GMT -5
Nakata failing Jumping Spider actually seems totally possible, I mean his jump would be good but his wrists could give him trouble during the Spider Walking portion (Unlikely because both times he's competed since his injury he's passed the Spider Walk and Jumping Spider but it's still possible)
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 16:02:16 GMT -5
thanks your for comments.
With regards to Nakata on Jumping spider, the reason he'd fail the JS is because during the spider walk his hands would give out. I didn't not differentiate between failing the jump and the walk on the results, but the game will. Unfortunately that data is gone and I can't go back and see where he failed.
For Stage 3, I already edited the DGG and made it a little easier. I ran many tests for just stage 3 runs, I think that the fact that there have been 2 clears in 2 tournaments is more of a fluke, in my undocumented ones which have now been about 7 or 8, theres only been Bunpei's which was in perfect weather.
I'm posting test run 4 now. You all are going to LOVE this one!!
EDIT: Its now up
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Post by SuperTiger on Apr 8, 2009 16:13:19 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHA no one in stage 3, Sato failed the Sextuple Steps....thats great!
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 16:17:10 GMT -5
I juiced up the course a tad.. combine that with brutal weather, thats the result.
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Post by SuperTiger on Apr 8, 2009 16:18:22 GMT -5
Is it still possible to replace the Steps with the Rope Glider, or would that take to much time, i bet we would have seen everyone fail under that criteria...
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 16:22:32 GMT -5
I could do that, I was planning on doing about 10-15 test runs under this course.
Its very easy to change obstacles. I'll make some changes to the course once this is done. I want to make sure all the logic works before I start doing anything else. Doesn't do any good to make it do a lot of cool things if what its doing doesn't make sense.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 16:56:56 GMT -5
Test 5 is now posted
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Post by chackpop on Apr 8, 2009 16:59:46 GMT -5
I didn't see Nagano and Yuuji failing the Devil Steps.
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Post by SuperTiger on Apr 8, 2009 17:01:28 GMT -5
I believe it said weather was cold, stage 3 is A LOT harder when the weather is cold
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 17:15:16 GMT -5
Cold AND Raining. I can't even imagine trying to do the Devil's steps in the rain.
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Post by obakemono on Apr 8, 2009 17:16:43 GMT -5
Bad weather shouldn't necessarily make everything harder. I doubt snow would make anyone fail the Salmon Ladder that wasn't already going to. And I think the programming for time is a bit lenient. No one is going to clear the Circle Hammer with 112 left, and as far as I can tell it's rare to even start the Log Grip with 100 left. It would take a spectacular run to finish with over 20 seconds left, and a very good one to finish with over 10.
Also, the randomness does seem to throw in a few things that would probably never happen every tournament. I'd consider these, from test 5, implausible: 46 Brett Sims - Failed Log Grip 77 Shinji Kobayashi - Failed Log Grip 82 Yoshiyuki Okuyama - Failed Log Grip 93 Shunsuke Nagasaki - Failed Log Grip 99 Yuuji Urushihara - Failed Devil's Steps 100 Makoto Nagano - Failed Devil's Steps
Maybe the Log Grip is slightly too difficult?
EDIT: Disregard this if test 5 was raining, as someone said above, but the general point (if not the specifics) still stands.
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Post by gazzawhite on Apr 8, 2009 17:23:14 GMT -5
The only other person that I can think of that I would like to see in the competitor's list is Takayuki Kawashima. Oh, and Tomohiro Taksukawa. But otherwise, good list!
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Post by The Chief on Apr 8, 2009 17:34:19 GMT -5
Tatsukawa is #9 You are talking about Superman, right?
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Post by gazzawhite on Apr 8, 2009 17:46:50 GMT -5
Tatsukawa is #9 You are talking about Superman, right? Whoops, thanks for pointing that out, I had his first name spelt wrong (I spelt it TomOhiro, silly me). Well that means all I'd like to see extra is Kawashima.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 8, 2009 18:04:35 GMT -5
Question: Are some peopel more prone to lose on certain obstacles? Like Yamada has a low chance of beating the jumping spider, but a high chance of beating the log grip?
Stuff like that.
I notcied that #1 guy beat the salmon ladder... don't know who it is.
Also noticed Levi failed the metal spin which I'm not sure if that'd happen very often.
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Post by Lennon on Apr 8, 2009 18:12:26 GMT -5
I love it. It looks very nice and can not wait till the first version is released.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 18:56:49 GMT -5
Question: Are some peopel more prone to lose on certain obstacles? Like Yamada has a low chance of beating the jumping spider, but a high chance of beating the log grip? Stuff like that. I notcied that #1 guy beat the salmon ladder... don't know who it is. Also noticed Levi failed the metal spin which I'm not sure if that'd happen very often. Yes, each obstacle require a different skill set. Someone like Yamada is very rarely going to fail the Log Grip, but has a good chance at failing the Jumping Spider. Also his stamina is not great so later obstacles are also very hard for him. Plus his chances of timing out are very high. The #1 guy that beat the Salmon Ladder was actually the 1st competitor to appear in Sasuke 1. Levi actually did not fail the Metal Spin in the test run where no one got to stage 3. He actually failed the salmon ladder but there was a minor coding error that let him continue after he'd hit the water. This has since been fixed and the test page updated. obakmono, I agree that the randomness can sometimes produce odd results. The chances of Shunsuke failing the Log Grip are less than .5%. On average i'll have to run another 200 tournaments before see that again. But yes, for test 5 it was raining, which decreases everyone's ratings. Also theres a "luck" factor programmed in. Another thing that I hadn't mentioned much was a condision variable. Just like real life people have good days and bad days. If anyone has ever played Techmo Super Bowl you'd know what I mean. Before each game a player is rated in either Bad, Average, Good, or Excellent condision, and their ratings change based on this. I did something similar to this. I changed the timing back before either test 1 or 2, 100 is now closer to typical for a good run to clear the circle hammer.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 19:09:06 GMT -5
One other thing i'd like to make more clear.. I didn't "assign" anyone a % to pass or fail anything. All I did was put in each person's skills and other variables into many equations for each obstacle and the game will determine the pass/fail% and then it will decide what happened. It calculates it to like 32 decimal places!
The reason you're seeing about 20-25 Jumping Spider fails per round is because my Jumping Spider equations makes it harder than say the Log Grip.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 8, 2009 19:54:04 GMT -5
6 is now posted. I edited stage 3, made the later obstacles harder and the earlier ones easier. I also made stage 1 harder.
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