Why do you think (spoilers)?

[dakohosu]

Why do you think Yamada got so angry after his failure in 40?

Honestly I've been trying to work this out since the live broadcast as it was just so left field. Even when he was competing seriously, failures would usually bring him to shock or tears in most cases, while in his recent performances he's been much more casual as I presumed he invested more of his energy into training his proteges. This is the first time I've seen him legitimately angry about a failure, which is very odd given that I presumed he was much more in the 'running for fun' phase of his career, like how he laughed off his objectively much worse and more embarrassing Quad Steps/Rolling Hill failure in 39. I really just don't understand; sure, his fail was a bit of a rookie error so I'm sure that he was a little bit pissed off about that, but I'm not really sure what else he was expecting. He doesn't properly train the Dragon Glider so I can't imagine he would've expected to clear it, and failing only one obstacle prior doesn't justify how frustrated with himself he looked. Besides, he seemed happy that he even made it that far in 38. 

Initially I figured that he might've got false hope after seeing Shingo clearing, but I mean come on. The dude is like 10 years older, hasn't cleared Stage 1 in almost 20 years, and barely trains whatsoever on his course/instead trains his Black Tigers. Especially the lack of training meant that there's no way he could've expected to actually clear, right?

Either way, I'm just baffled as to his behavior, but don't get me wrong, it was funny as hell. Every time I see him scream 'SHAAAAAAAAAA' and walk past the crowd who have no idea how to react, I can't help but laugh, in the least mean way possible.

Anyway, what do you guys think?

[salt]

Maybe some of it has to do with losing to a random Youtuber who declared him his rival as a joke? Must've been embarrassing to go from a threat to Kanzen all the way down to losing to joke competitors like HIKAKIN.

[dakohosu]

Feb 5, 2023 19:06:44 GMT -5 salt said:

Maybe some of it has to do with losing to a random Youtuber who declared him his rival as a joke? Must've been embarrassing to go from a threat to Kanzen all the way down to losing to joke competitors like HIKAKIN.

I mean he literally came in 100th place in 39, hence doing worse than every single joke competitor including HIKAKIN, yet laughed it off, so I wouldn’t assume it was that.

I presume he wanted to attempt the Dragon Glider; but I really struggle to believe that him failing 5 or so seconds earlier would’ve riled him up that much.

I’m fairly sure at this point it was because he got false hope from Shingo clearing or something, because otherwise it seemed way too odd that he suddenly seemed to really care about doing well; despite the fact he’s basically retired from properly competing himself hence founded the Black Tigers almost 10 years ago.

[brz0ny]

I would assume his goal was reaching Dragon Glider atleast. I dont see anything else being the reason.

[sasukewarrior333]

Yeah I think he probably just wanted to give a solid performance for what may very well be his final anniversary tournament ever. Kinda makes me sad that's how things went down but it is what it is.

[dakohosu]

Feb 6, 2023 6:35:30 GMT -5 sasukewarrior333 said:

Yeah I think he probably just wanted to give a solid performance for what may very well be his final anniversary tournament ever. Kinda makes me sad that's how things went down but it is what it is.

Yeah I feel bad for laughing at his reaction but it was just so unexpected. I turned away from the screen because I figured it would just be a typical emotional interview and then heard the shouting and was like ‘woah’, it came out of nowhere. But yeah you’re right, the anniversary tournament thing may have had something to do with it.

Either way, I’m sure the various banned members on this forum, most of whom got banned for repeatedly hating on Yamada, will be happy……

I just hope for Yamada’s sake this isn’t a relapse of his past attitude or behaviour.

[transgenderserena]

Feb 5, 2023 19:00:06 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

Why do you think Yamada got so angry after his failure in 40?

Honestly I've been trying to work this out since the live broadcast as it was just so left field. Even when he was competing seriously, failures would usually bring him to shock or tears in most cases, while in his recent performances he's been much more casual as I presumed he invested more of his energy into training his proteges. This is the first time I've seen him legitimately angry about a failure, which is very odd given that I presumed he was much more in the 'running for fun' phase of his career, like how he laughed off his objectively much worse and more embarrassing Quad Steps/Rolling Hill failure in 39. I really just don't understand; sure, his fail was a bit of a rookie error so I'm sure that he was a little bit pissed off about that, but I'm not really sure what else he was expecting. He doesn't properly train the Dragon Glider so I can't imagine he would've expected to clear it, and failing only one obstacle prior doesn't justify how frustrated with himself he looked. Besides, he seemed happy that he even made it that far in 38. 

Initially I figured that he might've got false hope after seeing Shingo clearing, but I mean come on. The dude is like 10 years older, hasn't cleared Stage 1 in almost 20 years, and barely trains whatsoever on his course/instead trains his Black Tigers. Especially the lack of training meant that there's no way he could've expected to actually clear, right?

Either way, I'm just baffled as to his behavior, but don't get me wrong, it was funny as hell. Every time I see him scream 'SHAAAAAAAAAA' and walk past the crowd who have no idea how to react, I can't help but laugh, in the least mean way possible.

Anyway, what do you guys think?

Because he hasnt cleared in 20 years, shingo cleared before him AND he was doing well until the fish bone kai
Also, him crying was so sad, almost reminded me of Komiya Rie crying after she failed Stage 2 in KUNOICHI 7 and when Darvish Kenji started bursting into tears after failing the Lumberjack Climb in 30

[azn]

Part of me want's to say that it was him failing under his expectations, part of me want's to say that his reaction is a result of him just being a very competitive person (Competitive isn't the right word, but it's the first word I could think of) and so he at least wanted one more good hack at the first stage, and part of me thinks it's just him being dramatic over his fail, especially given his reaction to failure in 39 to 40.

Idk, I honestly wasn't surprised at all with the aftermath of his fail. I think it was mentioned earlier but Shingo's clear must've motivated him a lot to do well and so him failing at the fishbone lead to him being frustrated.

[dakohosu]

Feb 6, 2023 13:14:50 GMT -5 azn said:

Part of me want's to say that it was him failing under his expectations, part of me want's to say that his reaction is a result of him just being a very competitive person (Competitive isn't the right word, but it's the first word I could think of) and so he at least wanted one more good hack at the first stage, and part of me thinks it's just him being dramatic over his fail, especially given his reaction to failure in 39 to 40.

Idk, I honestly wasn't surprised at all with the aftermath of his fail. I think it was mentioned earlier but Shingo's clear must've motivated him a lot to do well and so him failing at the fishbone lead to him being frustrated.

Yeah the Shingo thing was my first thought, given that that was the only variable that had changed for this tournament compared to last, where he did even worse. That and the fact it was an anniversary tournament, which I'm not sure how much that meant to him personally. That said, Takeda also in effect cleared in 38 and Yamada still looked completely happy on the course, granted he did make it a bit further but not by much at all.

Yeah maybe the nature of his fail frustrated him because it was a very silly mistake he made; he just rushed into the obstacle without timing it and then got knocked off. That said, he's made much dumber mistakes in the past during a much more serious portion of his career (9 and 12 immediately spring to mind), and even then the response to his failure has always been disappointment, sadness, denial etc. but never anger. That's sort of why his response caught me off guard, because he's NEVER reacted that explosively to a fail, even when said fails were understandably frustrating. 

I'm not sure if he had been training beforehand, someone (I forget who) mentioned that he apparently cut a ton of weight prior to the tournament, but given that I'm sure they would've shown it on the YouTube channel if he had properly been training on replicas etc., I doubt it. Everytime I've seen him on his home course in recent years, he always just touches the Dragon Glider bar but never grabs it, and just does pullups on the Salmon Ladder bar; he never actually attempts the obstacles, so overall I don't know what he was expecting, even if you don't factor in his age and track record etc. I said the same thing for Shunsuke, until he surprised us all and cleared lol.

[zoran]

It's not the first time he's expressed frustration from failing -

[dakohosu]

Feb 6, 2023 18:08:48 GMT -5 zoran said:

It's not the first time he's expressed frustration from failing -

To be fair I had no idea about that moment (thanks lol).


But I still think there's a big difference between him narrowly missing beating an obstacle that had beaten him for years as well as the fact that he actually had a decent shot at clearing that tournament that was quickly evaporating at that point in time, to him failing an obstacle that was right before one he never trains on/probably knew he was going to fail anyway. At least in the case of his 27 run he was still semi-delusional about achieving Kanzen so I can understand how him missing the wall by a fingertip would've been a lot more frustrating; there was a lot more on the line for him in terms of that run.

[hoseasasuke]

He got his hopes up after the runs Kane and Shingo had. That's probably why.