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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Jan 14, 2023 23:28:02 GMT -5
I think I know how this is gonna go, but eh, what the heck. I consider a comeback actually clearing the First Stage, so like, Akiyama, Hashimoto, etc. don't count. They just returned.
Anyways, whatcha think?
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Jan 15, 2023 0:55:02 GMT -5
I'm biased, but it's just gotta be Shingo in 40. The way he pulls himself atop the wall and just smacks that button with only 2.23 seconds left is glorious. All 6 of these are epic though, some of the best moments in SASUKE history, though you could argue Yuuji's comeback kinda started in 34 though he did oddly regress in 35.
Other great ones not listed:
Tomo in 40
Takeda in 30
Shingo in 23
Akiyama in 11
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Jan 15, 2023 1:05:32 GMT -5
I'm biased, but it's just gotta be Shingo in 40. The way he pulls himself atop the wall and just smacks that button with only 2.23 seconds left is glorious. All 6 of these are epic though, some of the best moments in SASUKE history, though you could argue Yuuji's comeback kinda started in 34 though he did oddly regress in 35. Other great ones not listed: Tomo in 40 Takeda in 30 Shingo in 23 Akiyama in 11 Gosh darn it, I knew I missed one. I actually agree with you though with Shingo being the best one, the pure emotion from that made me cry. Side note, I actually considered Tomo, Takeda and Shingo, but Tomo was clearly capable of clearing, he just pocketed himself on the wall. Takeda actually only recovered from a 2X First Stage failure streak as crazy as that sounds, and Shingo in 23 I feel like got ruined by his shoulder. Akiyama though, yeah... Yeah, I just forgot... Derp... |
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Post by kanzenbella on Jan 15, 2023 3:58:34 GMT -5
Between these choices, hard to argue against Shingo in 40. No one's come back after failing the first stage nine times in a row.
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Post by kanzenbella on Jan 15, 2023 3:59:42 GMT -5
I'm biased, but it's just gotta be Shingo in 40. The way he pulls himself atop the wall and just smacks that button with only 2.23 seconds left is glorious. All 6 of these are epic though, some of the best moments in SASUKE history, though you could argue Yuuji's comeback kinda started in 34 though he did oddly regress in 35. Other great ones not listed: Tomo in 40 Takeda in 30 Shingo in 23 Akiyama in 11 If Akiyama in 11 was an option, I would have voted for that one. |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 15, 2023 10:21:51 GMT -5
I think the results of this poll speak for themselves.
Statistically it’s Shingo. All of the others listed had a 3-5 tournament long failure streak and then bounced back, which if you think about it is actually fairly common in the show’s history. But coming back from 9 consecutive Stage 1 fails is well beyond anything we’ve ever seen, 5 has always been the absolute max before a competitor’s fate is kind of sealed. Also the fact that he went from not even coming particularly close to clearing Stage 1 and faith in him being at an all time low, to having had a genuine shot at Stage 3 if he hadn’t had his Shingo moment before the Salmon Ladder (he still wouldn’t have cleared but it would’ve been decently close). If he had like failed the Rolling Log then I may have been more hesitant to put him. It was also easily the most emotional of the lot because of how much he’s contributed to the show by continuing to show face and train despite his failures and he finally got some payoff. I don’t think anyone deserved it more than him.
I’d Ryo in 36 comes close, because while his failure streak was much shorter, he almost made the Final Stage in his comeback. So shorter failure streak but much stronger comeback. That said, he doesn’t have Shingo’s distinction of giving his best run in 10+ years while also pushing 50 years old; it was only a matter of time for Ryo as he was still young while many believed Shingo was firmly on his way out.
Kane I’m surprised more people haven’t picked, but I think the fact that he’s an athlete actor and also the fact that he didn’t have a streak of Stage 1 fails preceding him I’d say made his clear a tad more predictable (if you don’t consider the trailer which spoiled Shingo’s run, which I’m not as it doesn’t affect said achievement in isolation). Clearing after a 21 year absence though is still insane, as well as the fact he gave a decent Stage 2 run, though nowhere near as surprisingly speedy as Shingo’s (another reason why I’d pick him over Kane any day of the year).
Apart from the other honourable mentions, I’d say Kong’s Shin-Sasuke comeback and Asaoka’s Golden Era comeback, while nothing on some of those mentioned here, need some credit. Purely from the perspective that both had some quite stagnating losing streaks yet both ended up coming back WAY stronger than before and reached the Final Stage.
Realistically I don’t think Shingo’s comeback will ever be beaten, at least not in the next 5+ years at the very least, unless Kanno goes deep into Stage 3 at some point as he’s now 7 straight fails deep and has tragically been fighting a losing battle with injuries constantly.
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Post by brz0ny on Jan 15, 2023 12:30:17 GMT -5
If Yuuji failed in 35 then it would be him. Him clearing in 35 makes his comeback in 36 slightly less impressive and thats why I would give it to Shingo. If i had to rank those I would do
1. Shingo
2. Yuuji
3. Ryo (big comeback however he was in his prime so it wasnt entirely unexpected for him to eventually bounce back)
4. Nagano (amazing performance but he only failed 3 times since making Final in 23, so not much of a comeback)
5. Shunsuke (not very impressive compared to other ones)
6. Kane (cant really call it a comeback)
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Jan 15, 2023 13:24:56 GMT -5
I'll also say that Tsukada's a pretty strong candidate for this. Him going from only clearing in two tournaments to failing the Dragon Glider four times with the one time he clears it being a Warped Wall time out was really unexpected, yeah we did end up with a high clear rate but I don't think many of us had money on Tsukada having a redemption run.
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Post by zoran on Jan 15, 2023 13:26:43 GMT -5
If Yuuji failed in 35 then it would be him. Him clearing in 35 makes his comeback in 36 slightly less impressive and thats why I would give it to Shingo. If i had to rank those I would do 1. Shingo 2. Yuuji 3. Ryo (big comeback however he was in his prime so it wasnt entirely unexpected for him to eventually bounce back) 4. Nagano (amazing performance but he only failed 3 times since making Final in 23, so not much of a comeback) 5. Shunsuke (not very impressive compared to other ones) 6. Kane (cant really call it a comeback) But Yuuji did fail in 35, do you mean 34? |
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Post by brz0ny on Jan 15, 2023 16:35:23 GMT -5
If Yuuji failed in 35 then it would be him. Him clearing in 35 makes his comeback in 36 slightly less impressive and thats why I would give it to Shingo. If i had to rank those I would do 1. Shingo 2. Yuuji 3. Ryo (big comeback however he was in his prime so it wasnt entirely unexpected for him to eventually bounce back) 4. Nagano (amazing performance but he only failed 3 times since making Final in 23, so not much of a comeback) 5. Shunsuke (not very impressive compared to other ones) 6. Kane (cant really call it a comeback) But Yuuji did fail in 35, do you mean 34? Yeah i do my bad |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 15, 2023 17:04:54 GMT -5
But Yuuji did fail in 35, do you mean 34? Yeah i do my bad I hate to be that guy but Yuuji's comeback would've theoretically never happened if he'd failed Stage 1 in 34, as that's when he vowed to retire if he failed Stage 1 for the fourth consecutive time after his Rolling Hill fail in 33. I say theoretically because I don't know if he would've honored said retirement, not at all saying he would've done a Yamada but he had clearly just mentally checked out and had a bad streak of luck, it may have been an impulse decision just to try and cope with his disappointment from his performances of late. It's pretty common for athletes to "give up" or "not care anymore" after a poor performance, but that's just a coping mechanism, they often try and dissociate themselves from the sport to protect their self-worth but don't actually believe it, and after a few days of feeling sorry for themselves they get back up on their feet and continue. I've done this myself. So there's a good chance he may have regretted his decision and come back, especially with how much Sasuke had impacted his life and the fact that he wasn't physically declining or anything like Nagano was when he vowed retirement. The only counterpoint imo is the fact that if he failed in 34, he would've failed a Stage 1 that 23 others had cleared with ease which could've been the nail in the coffin for his confidence and mojo, even more so if it was another early fail like his last two. I still think his comeback in 36 was pretty awesome; his run in 34 was only really significant because of his vow to retire, other than that it was just a generic Stage 2 timeout, especially given how easy 34's Stage 1 was. Stage 3 is really where it was at, and he hadn't made it back there in 6 years prior. Then at the age of 40 he comes back and reaches the Vertical Limit. In many ways I think it's more impressive than Ryo's comeback because Yuuji was a lot older, had vowed to retire only two tournaments prior, and while his Stage 1 losing streak wasn't as long his absence from Stage 3 was significantly longer, which made his deep run all the more surprising. I'd still say Ryo edges it purely because he had a worse slump and legit narrowly missed clearing the stage, but Yuuji's performance is definitely not to be overlooked just because he had a meh Stage 2 run in 34. Hell, both Ryo and Yuuji went through almost identical mental slumps, and both bounced back at the exact same time, and are both best friends, which was quite heartwarming to see. |
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Post by transgenderserena on Jan 17, 2023 12:24:04 GMT -5
I think the results of this poll speak for themselves. Statistically it’s Shingo. All of the others listed had a 3-5 tournament long failure streak and then bounced back, which if you think about it is actually fairly common in the show’s history. But coming back from 9 consecutive Stage 1 fails is well beyond anything we’ve ever seen, 5 has always been the absolute max before a competitor’s fate is kind of sealed. Also the fact that he went from not even coming particularly close to clearing Stage 1 and faith in him being at an all time low, to having had a genuine shot at Stage 3 if he hadn’t had his Shingo moment before the Salmon Ladder (he still wouldn’t have cleared but it would’ve been decently close). If he had like failed the Rolling Log then I may have been more hesitant to put him. It was also easily the most emotional of the lot because of how much he’s contributed to the show by continuing to show face and train despite his failures and he finally got some payoff. I don’t think anyone deserved it more than him. I’d Ryo in 36 comes close, because while his failure streak was much shorter, he almost made the Final Stage in his comeback. So shorter failure streak but much stronger comeback. That said, he doesn’t have Shingo’s distinction of giving his best run in 10+ years while also pushing 50 years old; it was only a matter of time for Ryo as he was still young while many believed Shingo was firmly on his way out. Kane I’m surprised more people haven’t picked, but I think the fact that he’s an athlete actor and also the fact that he didn’t have a streak of Stage 1 fails preceding him I’d say made his clear a tad more predictable (if you don’t consider the trailer which spoiled Shingo’s run, which I’m not as it doesn’t affect said achievement in isolation). Clearing after a 21 year absence though is still insane, as well as the fact he gave a decent Stage 2 run, though nowhere near as surprisingly speedy as Shingo’s (another reason why I’d pick him over Kane any day of the year). Apart from the other honourable mentions, I’d say Kong’s Shin-Sasuke comeback and Asaoka’s Golden Era comeback, while nothing on some of those mentioned here, need some credit. Purely from the perspective that both had some quite stagnating losing streaks yet both ended up coming back WAY stronger than before and reached the Final Stage. Realistically I don’t think Shingo’s comeback will ever be beaten, at least not in the next 5+ years at the very least, unless Kanno goes deep into Stage 3 at some point as he’s now 7 straight fails deep and has tragically been fighting a losing battle with injuries constantly. Did you just say SASUKE 9-17 was the golden era? 11, 13, 15 and 17 were extremely mediocre, 14 and 16 were bad and 9, 10 and 12 were terrible (imo, dont wanna bring your opinion down) Also, Kane Kosugis run was AWESOME |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 17, 2023 12:30:48 GMT -5
Did you just say SASUKE 9-17 was the golden era? 11, 13, 15 and 17 were extremely mediocre, 14 and 16 were bad and 9, 10 and 12 were terrible (imo, dont wanna bring your opinion down) Also, Kane Kosugis run was AWESOME Matter of opinion; on this forum we often refer to 9-17 as the Golden Era because it's unanimously agreed to be one of the better eras of the show in terms of (especially) editing, results, course changes etc., especially compared to more recently with the stagnant course and aggressive focus on comedians and celebrities. I respect your opinion, but I think many would disagree with you here. |
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Post by subtleagent on Jan 20, 2023 12:08:58 GMT -5
Shingo definitely wins. Most had wrote him off due to failing Stage 1 nine times and while IMO it wasn't quite as impactful as SASUKE 23 (harder course and all, plus he actually got to the Third Stage in that tournament) it still was pretty impressive. All that and he actually broke an age record too.
I think one HM I'm gonna say is Jun Sato in 40. I saw his Paravi run and he's still just as in shape as ever. Yeah he did worse on the Cliffhanger than in 38, but you gotta remember he had a pretty debilitating injury that could've very well ended his career (which no doubt required him to cut down on training time) and yet it's almost like he never got injured plus he did beat the upgraded Sidewinder and Swing Edge which I just think is impressive when you consider guys like Kanno who have been trapped in Stage 1 for the last seven years due to injury after injury. I honestly was worried he was going to fail early, but he didn't.
Ryo and Yuuji in 36 were definitely also a breath of fresh air though since it appeared that they had both mentally given up and yet both can still make Stage 3 no problem. Yuuji definitely wins over Ryo though for being older, still making Stage 3 look easy, and uhh Ryo in 40... we all know that one.
Nagano in 27 I controversially don't think was THAT impressive given it was on a nerfed course though he did beat a fairly difficult Stage 2 so that's worth mentioning. I think I would've placed him higher if he had actually beaten the UCH but you can tell he had mentally checked out by the time he got there.
Nagasaki in 40 was decent, but he did fail the Spider Drop so I can only give him so much praise (seriously, what is it with him and the Spider Walk... I'm sorry Spider Run... err Spider Drop these days?). Still it's a start, let's see him get back to Stage 3 then I'll be happier with it.
Tomohiro in 40 was pretty good and he did have a pretty nail biting Stage 2 finish. His wall technique is still flawed, but it looks like he finally learned to combat it.
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