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Post by brz0ny on Dec 27, 2022 15:13:14 GMT -5
Exact opposite of recent Dakohosu thread, give me the run you found disappointing (and just like he asked for non-Yusuke answers, I ask for non-Ryo answers, as well as everyone who derailed Dragon Glider).
First one that comes to mind is obviously Hioki. I still dont understand what he was doing in his Backstream attempt, swimming away from the exit, and surprise surprise, the current pushes him away.
Another one, maybe a bit harsh, would be Kanno. Overall it was probably a good tournament for him though, as he finally cleared dreaded Dragon Glider. However, I still believe failing Warped Wall was a disappointment. I was sure after seeing him clear he was going to atleast go deep in Second Stage.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 27, 2022 15:18:14 GMT -5
Can Yutaka. I like him a lot. Why did he rush the Fishbone like that... because he did parkour for less than a year? lol
Yamada would be next. Honestly his reaction to failing was scary, but he really flubbed the Fishbone. That said he looked like he cut so much weight for this tournament.
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 15:40:51 GMT -5
Lol 'non-Ryo answers' is fair enough.
Hioki generally seemed a lot slower and less with it this tournament. Likely because of his fluff piece revealing that he was injured in September which would've been only a month before taping. But he cleared with a lot less time than before on Stage 1, and then his Stage 2 run was what it was. Competitors tend to go down the side of the tank as the jet is located in the middle so you're avoiding facing the jet head on. Though why he went down the wrong side (the side farther from the exit) I have no idea, I have seen a fair few competitors do this and then just cut across, but he really didn't look like he knew what he was doing. It wasn't just his Backstream attempt, he nearly slipped off the Spider Drop too. He seemed very rusty on the whole.
I honestly can't work out why Yamada reacted in the way he did except for getting false hope seeing Kane and Shingo clear, but he obviously never had a shot, I don't know what he was expecting. It definitely seemed like a regression from his more chirpy and light hearted attitude from recent tournaments. Like he did objectively way worse in 39 but still laughed it off.
I don't think Kanno's fail was necessarily that bad. He had a leg brace on so he was clearly injured, the fact he cleared the Dragon Glider after 4 failed attempts was significant progress. I'm personally a bit more confident in him now, obviously not to get back to his previous heights, but a Stage 1 clear isn't as out of the realm of possibility as it was after 39.
Matsuda's fail was naturally pretty disappointing, as it was another regression and proof that he's never going to make it out of Stage 1 due to mentally choking himself every time. Am I also right in thinking that this failure consolidated his retirement?
Mutou and Suzuki obviously made Stage 3, but the fact that both failed at exactly the same spot after a year of training was probably far from the result both fans and themselves were hoping for.
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Post by brz0ny on Dec 27, 2022 15:58:24 GMT -5
I don't think Kanno's fail was necessarily that bad. He had a leg brace on so he was clearly injured, the fact he cleared the Dragon Glider after 4 failed attempts was significant progress. I'm personally a bit more confident in him now, obviously not to get back to his previous heights, but a Stage 1 clear isn't as out of the realm of possibility as it was after 39. Matsuda's fail was naturally pretty disappointing, as it was another regression and proof that he's never going to make it out of Stage 1 due to mentally choking himself every time. Am I also right in thinking that this failure consolidated his retirement? Mutou and Suzuki obviously made Stage 3, but the fact that both failed at exactly the same spot after a year of training was probably far from the result both fans and themselves were hoping for. Oh right, I wasnt aware of leg brace so Warped Wall fail is completely fine then, also probably the reason why he didnt look disappointed after the fail (or maybe he did but we werent able to see it as some genius producer decided to digest one of the biggest tournament storylines). About Matsuda, I actually thought this was his last attempt considering how much screen time he got (not that he doesnt always get a lot but this time its even more), combined with the fact how everyone cried after his fail. Personally I am hoping he is. He did a lot for the show but he is clearly just a waste of a slot. Agreed for Mutou, but for Suzuki I think its more good then bad that he managed to replicate his 39 attempt considering his age. Same reason why Yuuji would have never beaten Vertical Limit as he couldnt have done the same 5 years ago. |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 16:07:16 GMT -5
I don't think Kanno's fail was necessarily that bad. He had a leg brace on so he was clearly injured, the fact he cleared the Dragon Glider after 4 failed attempts was significant progress. I'm personally a bit more confident in him now, obviously not to get back to his previous heights, but a Stage 1 clear isn't as out of the realm of possibility as it was after 39. Matsuda's fail was naturally pretty disappointing, as it was another regression and proof that he's never going to make it out of Stage 1 due to mentally choking himself every time. Am I also right in thinking that this failure consolidated his retirement? Mutou and Suzuki obviously made Stage 3, but the fact that both failed at exactly the same spot after a year of training was probably far from the result both fans and themselves were hoping for. Oh right, I wasnt aware of leg brace so Warped Wall fail is completely fine then, also probably the reason why he didnt look disappointed after the fail (or maybe he did but we werent able to see it as some genius producer decided to digest one of the biggest tournament storylines). About Matsuda, I actually thought this was his last attempt considering how much screen time he got (not that he doesnt always get a lot but this time its even more), combined with the fact how everyone cried after his fail. Personally I am hoping he is. He did a lot for the show but he is clearly just a waste of a slot. Agreed for Mutou, but for Suzuki I think its more good then bad that he managed to replicate his 39 attempt considering his age. Same reason why Yuuji would have never beaten Vertical Limit as he couldnt have done the same 5 years ago. I'm kind of mixed on Matsuda. I think the fact he's accounted for 90% of training sessions more than earns him the right to compete, but I don't think that warrants the amount of screen time he gets, especially as it's the same thing every tournament. Yeah he has loads of replicas, hasn't cleared Stage 1 yet, but is hoping to this time, yet never does. Granted, I would've said the same about Shingo and he proved us all wrong, but Matsuda mentally chokes himself way too much whereas Shingo is way more easy going. Matsuda clearly feels a load of pressure to perform well given that he has all of these obstacles in his back yard, which I think is what clouds his judgment leading to inconsistent results and loads of freak accident fails. I'm not particularly interested in him as a competitor as there's nothing to say about his track record, but it would be sad to see him go given how much he's devoted to the show. It's just a shame it took him until he was 40 to actually get selected to compete. I'm actually looking at his Instagram now and the comments on his most recent post seem very mixed as to whether he's retiring or not. Some are asking him not to retire while others are saying 'see you next year'. I wouldn't be surprised if he does come back next year, his backyard is a testament to him having irreversibly caught the 'Sasuke bug' lol. Yuuji is different as he had to face a much harder Stage 3 than he did in 36 with the Spinwinder, Swing Edge, and Dimension this time, yet still made it as far as he did back then. Suzuki actually did worse than before despite the course being identical, save for 5 less seconds on Stage 2, and even then he cleared with like no time left (then again so did Yuuji). |
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Post by zoran on Dec 27, 2022 16:11:40 GMT -5
Can Yutaka. I like him a lot. Why did he rush the Fishbone like that... because he did parkour for less than a year? lol Yamada would be next. Honestly his reaction to failing was scary, but he really flubbed the Fishbone. That said he looked like he cut so much weight for this tournament. How was it scary? |
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 27, 2022 16:18:29 GMT -5
Can Yutaka. I like him a lot. Why did he rush the Fishbone like that... because he did parkour for less than a year? lol Yamada would be next. Honestly his reaction to failing was scary, but he really flubbed the Fishbone. That said he looked like he cut so much weight for this tournament. How was it scary? He furiously yelled and then stormed past the Black Tigers and cheering sections with zero interaction on his part. It was extremely awkward, and everyone in the stands was quiet. I don't think I've ever seen him that mad. Only Nagano ended up consoling him. |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 16:29:29 GMT -5
He furiously yelled and then stormed past the Black Tigers and cheering sections with zero interaction on his part. It was extremely awkward, and everyone in the stands was quiet. I don't think I've ever seen him that mad. Only Nagano ended up consoling him. Yeah ngl it took me off guard as I wasn't really paying attention to his run due to the fact that him failing Stage 1 was a given, but then when I heard the screams I was like 'wtf just happened'. Initially I thought he'd like failed the Quad Steps again, but when I found out it was just a Fish Bone fail my main thought was 'how far was he actually expecting to go?' lol. |
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Post by ahzoo on Dec 27, 2022 16:36:25 GMT -5
He furiously yelled and then stormed past the Black Tigers and cheering sections with zero interaction on his part. It was extremely awkward, and everyone in the stands was quiet. I don't think I've ever seen him that mad. Only Nagano ended up consoling him. Yeah ngl it took me off guard as I wasn't really paying attention to his run due to the fact that him failing Stage 1 was a given, but then when I heard the screams I was like 'wtf just happened'. Initially I thought he'd like failed the Quad Steps again, but when I found out it was just a Fish Bone fail my main thought was 'how far was he actually expecting to go?' lol. If you ask me, that's exactly why he was so angry: He was doing so well up to that point that he probably reasoned that he could go so much incredibly further, and was cursing himself out for making a stupid rookie error in failing to time the Fish Bone correctly and, in doing so, blowing his best run in a long time, and one in which he had somehow magically peeled 25 years off his age up to that point. His anger was still disproporionate as heck though, and further proof that he has still got massive unresolved issues with his Sasuke career, and I can only hope that seeing Yoshiyuki make the Final helped ameliorate them somewhat until the moment he gets talked into talking to a psychiatrist by Nagano, Inui, and/or the KuroTora. He badly needs it. |
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 27, 2022 16:44:50 GMT -5
True, he actually was making decent time up until that point for Yamada standards.
I can understand to an extent being really upset failing stupidly because he looked like he really worked his butt off getting into shape for this tournament. I know it can't be easy cutting weight like that at 57.
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 16:51:22 GMT -5
If you ask me, that's exactly why he was so angry: He was doing so well up to that point that he probably reasoned that he could go so much incredibly further, and was cursing himself out for making a stupid rookie error in failing to time the Fish Bone correctly and, in doing so, blowing his best run in a long time, and one in which he had somehow magically peeled 25 years off his age up to that point. His anger was disproporionate as heck, and further proof that he has still got massive unresolved issues with his Sasuke career, and I can only hope that seeing Yoshiyuki make the Final helped ameliorate them somewhat until the moment he gets talked into talking to a psychiatrist by Nagano, Inui, and/or the KuroTora. He badly needs it. Yeah I get all that, what I don't understand is that it was so unlike how he's been recently. He did worse in 33 and 39 yet still laughed it off and was just glad to be competing, yet I don't even know what that shouting and crying was all about. Hell, even in his obnoxious delusional Shin-Sasuke days he would just look stunned everytime he failed and would occasionally cry out of disappointment. Here it was pure anger, something we've never seen from him on screen before; I'd somewhat understand if his Black Tigers had done badly as that would've already put him in a sour mood, but they both cleared down to his mentoring which was already a reflection of his experience and influence. I really don't get it, unless he thought that if Shingo could clear then so could he, but I don't need to tell you that that's pretty delusional - he's almost 10 years older than the guys who just broke the age record by 4 years, and barely actually trains himself, instead spending his time coaching. Hell, the only reason he came back after a long hiatus was to show face and boost the show's popularity, it was never to return to his former glory, otherwise he'd still be self-obsessed rather than training the new generation. Initially I felt bad for laughing at his reaction; it just seemed so ridiculous that someone who's almost unanimously predicted to time out before he even reaches the Dragon Glider got so angry that the inevitable was one obstacle less delayed than he would've liked. But now thinking about it it's so ridiculous a reaction that it was almost comical; I'm actually rewatching it now and can't stop laughing every time. |
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Post by SRW on Dec 27, 2022 17:30:54 GMT -5
Yamada salt was funny don't be ashamed at laughing lol
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Post by brz0ny on Dec 27, 2022 17:37:48 GMT -5
Lol I also felt like Dakohosu as best he could do is Dragon Glider attempt so I felt like I was missing something after he was crying his eyes out for literally doing better than last time. Maybe he is also retiring like Matsuda for 1848393948th time.
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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 27, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5
Yamada salt was funny don't be ashamed at laughing lol I laughed so hard at him when he raged |
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Dec 28, 2022 4:32:00 GMT -5
If you ask me, that's exactly why he was so angry: He was doing so well up to that point that he probably reasoned that he could go so much incredibly further, and was cursing himself out for making a stupid rookie error in failing to time the Fish Bone correctly and, in doing so, blowing his best run in a long time, and one in which he had somehow magically peeled 25 years off his age up to that point. His anger was disproporionate as heck, and further proof that he has still got massive unresolved issues with his Sasuke career, and I can only hope that seeing Yoshiyuki make the Final helped ameliorate them somewhat until the moment he gets talked into talking to a psychiatrist by Nagano, Inui, and/or the KuroTora. He badly needs it. Yeah I get all that, what I don't understand is that it was so unlike how he's been recently. He did worse in 33 and 39 yet still laughed it off and was just glad to be competing, yet I don't even know what that shouting and crying was all about. Hell, even in his obnoxious delusional Shin-Sasuke days he would just look stunned everytime he failed and would occasionally cry out of disappointment. Here it was pure anger, something we've never seen from him on screen before; I'd somewhat understand if his Black Tigers had done badly as that would've already put him in a sour mood, but they both cleared down to his mentoring which was already a reflection of his experience and influence. I really don't get it, unless he thought that if Shingo could clear then so could he, but I don't need to tell you that that's pretty delusional - he's almost 10 years older than the guys who just broke the age record by 4 years, and barely actually trains himself, instead spending his time coaching. Hell, the only reason he came back after a long hiatus was to show face and boost the show's popularity, it was never to return to his former glory, otherwise he'd still be self-obsessed rather than training the new generation. Initially I felt bad for laughing at his reaction; it just seemed so ridiculous that someone who's almost unanimously predicted to time out before he even reaches the Dragon Glider got so angry that the inevitable was one obstacle less delayed than he would've liked. But now thinking about it it's so ridiculous a reaction that it was almost comical; I'm actually rewatching it now and can't stop laughing every time. My theory would probably be that Yamada wanted to give a good run for the 40th tournament, and when he chocked like that he probably became extremely disappointed that he couldn't even match his 38. |
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Dec 28, 2022 12:05:47 GMT -5
You can't blame Yamada for being angry at himself. This was the best he's looked since SASUKE 27 and I'm sure he had his sight set on attempting and clearing the Dragon Glider. Had he reached that point, I have no doubt that he'd have taken any result very light-heartedly. However, not only he never reached the obstacle, but he made the most careless error he could. Yamada, despite his lack of speed or success, he's been remarkably careful and consistent on the obstacles he has some sort of control (not taking the weather into account as we saw in last year's performance). When you get 1 shot per year and when time is not on your side, it's only natural to react like that. He recollected himself very quickly for Akiyama's and Nagano's runs too so in the end it wasn't that big of a deal.
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Post by salt on Dec 28, 2022 22:17:40 GMT -5
The Akiyama cosplayer was pretty annoying, and got so much screentime for a Rolling Hill fail. Why didn't they cut that down and show Shunsuke instead? I'm so glad the real Akiyama was there to do a much better run.
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Post by azn on Dec 29, 2022 2:44:38 GMT -5
The Akiyama cosplayer was pretty annoying, and got so much screentime for a Rolling Hill fail. Why didn't they cut that down and show Shunsuke instead? I'm so glad the real Akiyama was there to do a much better run. Gonna have to disagree, I get it that most celebs and/or comedians are pretty annoying, but this was one of the few (if not the only instance) where the editing was on point. Akiyama's theme playing in the background until seiya(?) Pooped his pants on the rolling log and then stopped. It wasn't just me that seemed to enjoy as the twitch chat did as well. It was a moment that did it's job, albeit a job which obviously resulted in two different reactions but personally I didn't mind it. |
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Post by kanzenbella on Dec 29, 2022 3:36:54 GMT -5
You can't blame Yamada for being angry at himself. This was the best he's looked since SASUKE 27 and I'm sure he had his sight set on attempting and clearing the Dragon Glider. Had he reached that point, I have no doubt that he'd have taken any result very light-heartedly. However, not only he never reached the obstacle, but he made the most careless error he could. Yamada, despite his lack of speed or success, he's been remarkably careful and consistent on the obstacles he has some sort of control (not taking the weather into account as we saw in last year's performance). When you get 1 shot per year and when time is not on your side, it's only natural to react like that. He recollected himself very quickly for Akiyama's and Nagano's runs too so in the end it wasn't that big of a deal. Agree with this. Yamada holds himself to impossibly high standards because of how good he used to be and he definitely has unresolved issues in coping with poor performances, but I don't think it's fair to say that his reaction to failure was a "regression" of the role he's built in the past several tournaments. He obviously still loves and cares about the show and has built some really good connections with the SASUKE community. |
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Post by subtleagent on Dec 30, 2022 7:08:25 GMT -5
Ah worst, I'd go with Hashimoto. It was kind of a Bunpei in 30 moment where you kinda wish he didn't come back because he was half the competitor he used to be and it just seemed like a really sour note to go out on. Granted he's chronically disabled so I can see why he hung it up after 29, but still it was just sad to see. And his form just looked off. And he did worse than HIKAKIN (sorry, I can't help it I can never stop thinking about that one). Not sure if he'll come back for future tournaments but given scoliosis isn't exactly something you can just recover from, though if he does I do hope he does better.
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