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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 27, 2022 7:06:02 GMT -5
The way they went out in this tournament, going further than most expected them to, is truly commendable and admirable. True grand champions and giants of SASUKE in every way
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Post by Miko on Dec 27, 2022 7:07:40 GMT -5
Do we need threads for every single take about this tournament? Chill for a bit lmao.
I expected Akiyama to fail Fishbone and Nagano to timeout on Soritatsu Kabe. Almost correct!
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 8:11:49 GMT -5
Do we need threads for every single take about this tournament? Chill for a bit lmao. I expected Akiyama to fail Fishbone and Nagano to timeout on Soritatsu Kabe. Almost correct! Why don’t you chill? People are allowed to express their opinions however they want, as long as it’s not blatant spam I don’t see why it’s an issue. Agreed on this take by the way. Nagano doing basically as well as he did in his late 30s/early 40s and avenging his Dragon Glider fail at the ripe age of 50 was definitely a sight to behold. |
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Post by sasukefinnja on Dec 27, 2022 9:00:46 GMT -5
All 4 grand champions did way better than I did expect. Good job all of them. That was great tournament
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Post by firebirdformula on Dec 27, 2022 9:07:03 GMT -5
I have goosebumps just thinking about what Shingo Yamamoto has done. breaking a 9 first stage fail streak, doing so at age 48, and avenging backstream. massive gigachad move
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Post by itsadamly on Dec 27, 2022 10:42:21 GMT -5
Wish Nagano could've been faster on the fish bone but I understand he was being cautious there, otherwise he might have a shot on the 2nd Warped Wall. Him clearing would be a blessing eventhough it's pretty unlikely. Still, he IS the Nagano that we know, absolutely crashing the obstacles like they were nothing.
Overall, pretty good performance from both All-Star Champions. Would love to see them competing again in the future if they decide to.
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 27, 2022 16:31:10 GMT -5
I have goosebumps just thinking about what Shingo Yamamoto has done. breaking a 9 first stage fail streak, doing so at age 48, and avenging backstream. massive gigachad move Yeah, the fact that he not only made it back to Stage 2 but technically gave his best ever run since Sasuke 23 (13 YEARS!!!!!) is actually insane. |
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Dec 28, 2022 12:16:26 GMT -5
The producers and the history books are very lucky that Akiyama is missing his eyesight and a couple of inches. Apart from Nagano, he's probably the most naturally gifted All-Star and despite his decline, his performances have always been super respectable till the end. In the last 15 years he's only failed obstacles that eyesight is a core component to do well or the Warped Wall which is a natural enemy when you're a short as he is. Physically he's always looked sharp and at 49 he's looked more nimble than any of the All-Stars at the course despite how unfamiliar he was with most of the obstacles if not all. I doubt we'll see him again, but that was a great comeback attempt.
I'm more divided on Nagano's attempt though. Granted he was too cautious in the Rolling Hill and especially the Fish Bone because of the previous failed attempts but I still feel he can definitely clear Stage 1 the way it is. His attempt at the Tackle was probably his best yet and his half hearted attempt at the 2nd wall shows that he had the reach with his legs to at least give it a good shot. All these + the fact that he had really let himself go quite a bit and his prep being on the short side shows why he was and will always will be the most naturally gifted SASUKE competitor in the show's history. Somehow I don't feel this will be the last time we'll see him unlike Akiyama but it remains to be seen.
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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 28, 2022 14:23:20 GMT -5
The producers and the history books are very lucky that Akiyama is missing his eyesight and a couple of inches. Apart from Nagano, he's probably the most naturally gifted All-Star and despite his decline, his performances have always been super respectable till the end. In the last 15 years he's only failed obstacles that eyesight is a core component to do well or the Warped Wall which is a natural enemy when you're a short as he is. Physically he's always looked sharp and at 49 he's looked more nimble than any of the All-Stars at the course despite how unfamiliar he was with most of the obstacles if not all. I doubt we'll see him again, but that was a great comeback attempt. I'm more divided on Nagano's attempt though. Granted he was too cautious in the Rolling Hill and especially the Fish Bone because of the previous failed attempts but I still feel he can definitely clear Stage 1 the way it is. His attempt at the Tackle was probably his best yet and his half hearted attempt at the 2nd wall shows that he had the reach with his legs to at least give it a good shot. All these + the fact that he had really let himself go quite a bit and his prep being on the short side shows why he was and will always will be the most naturally gifted SASUKE competitor in the show's history. Somehow I don't feel this will be the last time we'll see him unlike Akiyama but it remains to be seen. Akiyama is definitely the biggest what if story this show has ever had. If he had good eyesight, he might have kanzened twice long before Yuuji even debuted. As for Nagano, while he will be on the sidelines for the next tournaments, he probably won't be competing. |
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Post by Miko on Dec 29, 2022 0:06:17 GMT -5
No way Nagano nor Akiyama will compete again, unless it's some special tournament again. Nagano retired in 32 and only came back for 38 to support SASUKE during COVID and 40 to have all champions competing at the same time whereas Akiyama retired in 28 for good and only came back to 40 to have all champions competing at the same time. Both of them have absolutely zero chance at clearing 1st Stage as long as Soritatsu Kabe exists, especially Nagano who was completely gassed by the 2nd wall.
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Post by kanzenbella on Dec 29, 2022 3:49:35 GMT -5
I know that he probably won't be competing again after this, but it'd be really cool to see Nagano train to beat the first stage and break the record for oldest clear. He still has it in him to pass stage 1, he'd just need to practice the wall and work on his speed a bit. Kane and Shingo could both do it at 48, so I don't really think there's much of a ceiling to it anymore. That's all up to Nagano though, of course. I wouldn't really care how he does in stage 2, or God forbid the other two stages, if he at least got to be the oldest clear.
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Post by Miko on Dec 29, 2022 11:43:02 GMT -5
I know that he probably won't be competing again after this, but it'd be really cool to see Nagano train to beat the first stage and break the record for oldest clear. He still has it in him to pass stage 1, he'd just need to practice the wall and work on his speed a bit. Kane and Shingo could both do it at 48, so I don't really think there's much of a ceiling to it anymore. That's all up to Nagano though, of course. I wouldn't really care how he does in stage 2, or God forbid the other two stages, if he at least got to be the oldest clear. Nagano is noticeably shorter than both Kane and Shingo, who both have longer legs. He will always be the one who suffers the most out of these 3 when it comes to Soritatsu Kabe.. and him being out of shape doesn't help either. |
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 29, 2022 13:48:34 GMT -5
I don't think Nagano would have a zero percent chance at clearing Stage 1. Yes he's only getting older now, but we don't know exactly how he'd fair against the Warped Wall since he wasted too much time on the Fishbone. Had he gotten there with some adequate time to rest I say it's possible, even if unlikely in my opinion. Height isn't everything for the wall as seen in Tomohiro. That said, I'd say Shingo is very well maybe the most proficient against the wall among the modern day All Stars (including if Takeda was in perfect health), and even he just made it lol. That and on top of how much Nagano struggled against the obstacle in his retirement run, I'd have to agree it's a long shot. BUT this is the same guy who bested the Dragon Glider at 50 years old one attempt after failing it. Anyway, I don't want to sound like a delusional and nostalgic All Star apologist either  As for whether Akiyama and Nagano compete again, I think we can agree Akiyama ever competing again in a non-special tournament is very slim. As for Nagano though... I believe he previously stated he wanted to compete again at age 50 just for the heck of it. I don't know if he actually calculated that that would also land on the 40th tournament... All I'm saying is that I don't think another non-special Nagano participation is a total crapshoot. The pressure for him to carry the show is largely taken off his shoulders at this point, and even Kane and seemingly his son are competing now. Again, not at all saying it's anywhere close to likely, but who knows. |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 29, 2022 14:49:51 GMT -5
Akiyama is definitely the biggest what if story this show has ever had. If he had good eyesight, he might have kanzened twice long before Yuuji even debuted. As for Nagano, while he will be on the sidelines for the next tournaments, he probably won't be competing. Unless you're talking about Sasuke 12-13 then no way. People forget the majority of his fails weren't actually related to his eyesight rather the post-Kanzen renewal exceeded his ability, particularly in lower body strength and stamina. Most of his fails boiled down to Jump Hang or Warped Wall. His Jump Hang fails were the result of poor trampoline jumps as he never got far enough to reach the net; had he got the distance but missed the net then I'd be more inclined to say his eyesight had a role to play in said failures. He also cleared the Jump Hang in 25 when he was way older (and hence more blind) and was competing in the dark, so eyesight was never an issue with that obstacle. His Warped Wall fails were mainly due to poor lower body strength; you could always see from his physique that he was very top heavy. His best chance would have been in 12 as he narrowly missed a Final Stage attempt that we knew he could've very possibly cleared given his speed and rope technique. He could've maybe done it in 13 as his Crooked Wall fail was indeed due to his eyesight and Stages 2 and 3 were identical to 12's, provided he didn't fail the WW or the Body Prop again, so even this is a huge stretch. His vision also probably had something to do with his fail in 9, but I'm absolutely not elevating a first obstacle fail to a potential Kanzen lol. Him winning twice would've been awesome but also controversial as he'd inevitably just go back to failing the First Stage immediately post-renewal. I mean he REALLY dropped off after Nagano's win. |
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As for whether Akiyama and Nagano compete again, I think we can agree Akiyama ever competing again in a non-special tournament is very slim. As for Nagano though... I believe he previously stated he wanted to compete again at age 50 just for the heck of it. I don't know if he actually calculated that that would also land on the 40th tournament... All I'm saying is that I don't think another non-special Nagano participation is a total crapshoot. The pressure for him to carry the show is largely taken off his shoulders at this point, and even Kane and seemingly his son are competing now. Again, not at all saying it's anywhere close to likely, but who knows.