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Post by dakohosu on Jan 2, 2022 11:44:03 GMT -5
Not sure when this was recorded (given that competitors would've already known about the Swing Edge since taping) but it seems as though Matsuda's already built a Swing Edge in his backyard.
Ngl seeing Yusuke fail on it in practice indicates to me that even if he had reached Stage 3 in Sasuke 39 that he very possibly could've failed the obstacle in competition, which I think would've been pretty refreshing and no doubt a huge statement as to how buffed Stage 3 has become, seeing the two-time champion and Nagano of this era failing even before the Cliffhanger.
Already excited to see whether the training on it pays off for Sasuke 40!
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Post by pindermonium106 on Jan 2, 2022 12:13:35 GMT -5
I have so much respect for Matsuda. He always finds a way to build new obstacles, it's really impressive and so beneficial for all the competitors.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 2, 2022 12:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah me too. I was really upset for him when he failed Stage 1 yet again in 39. It’s almost as though everyone is benefiting from his hard work except for him....
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Jan 2, 2022 22:18:44 GMT -5
Very impressive -- it looks like an accurate replica. And it's great that other competitors get to practice on it. Props to Matsuda not only for building it, but for sharing it with the other competitors as well.
No doubt, there's no guarantee that Morimoto would have beaten that thing in competition. It's a difficult obstacle, and except for the Cliffhanger, there's nothing else quite like it on Sasuke.
The crazy thing, though, is that I think more people actually failed the Sidewinder...
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 3, 2022 5:04:33 GMT -5
Very impressive -- it looks like an accurate replica. And it's great that other competitors get to practice on it. Props to Matsuda not only for building it, but for sharing it with the other competitors as well. No doubt, there's no guarantee that Morimoto would have beaten that thing in competition. It's a difficult obstacle, and except for the Cliffhanger, there's nothing else quite like it on Sasuke. The crazy thing, though, is that I think more people actually failed the Sidewinder... It was three and three. Most of the Sidewinder fails were due to inexperience. Mutou and Keitaro had never attempted Stage 3 and Suzuki failed the easier Sidewinder in 34. Keitaro I would've never expected to fail there, especially as his fail wasn't due to the moving pole rather his foot just slipped when he tried to jump, but clearly not having that competition experience had an impact. The Swing Edge fails imo took out much bigger names like Yoshiyuki and Ryo, both of whom were favourites to reach the Final Stage. Given that Morimoto failed it a couple of times in the above video, it could've easily taken guys like him and Yuuji out too. Even those who cleared it looked as though they were barely hanging on when they caught the reverse ledge. I think it's a great new addition to the course, especially given that unlike the Planet Bridge which used antagonistic muscle groups to every other Stage 3 obstacle and was too easy thus was neither a strength drainer nor a failable obstacle, the Swing Edge is both to the nth degree. It's almost like doing two Cliffhanger jumps before the actual Cliffhanger, and the technicality and accuracy required makes it a killer in its own right. The only criticism I have is that they should remove the part of the second frame that Isa grabbed onto as I feel that a few competitors may, out of pure instict, grab onto it by accident as a reflex action. It would really suck if there were more Swing Edge fails attributed to disqualifications than genuine fails. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Jan 3, 2022 11:30:41 GMT -5
Very impressive -- it looks like an accurate replica. And it's great that other competitors get to practice on it. Props to Matsuda not only for building it, but for sharing it with the other competitors as well. No doubt, there's no guarantee that Morimoto would have beaten that thing in competition. It's a difficult obstacle, and except for the Cliffhanger, there's nothing else quite like it on Sasuke. The crazy thing, though, is that I think more people actually failed the Sidewinder... It was three and three. Most of the Sidewinder fails were due to inexperience. Mutou and Keitaro had never attempted Stage 3 and Suzuki failed the easier Sidewinder in 34. Keitaro I would've never expected to fail there, especially as his fail wasn't due to the moving pole rather his foot just slipped when he tried to jump, but clearly not having that competition experience had an impact. Yeah, Keitaro's fail was shocking. At first I thought maybe he just wasn't taking the stage seriously and didn't really care how far he got, but then he broke down in his interview and I felt really bad for him. He might have had the most emotional reaction out of everyone in Sasuke 39. It was a sad moment. Yep. Aside from Tada's UCH/VLK, the Swing Edge attempts were the most exciting part of the tournament, and probably the most exciting addition to Stage 3 since the UCH. I'm looking forward to seeing it in Sasuke 40. This is my one concern about the Swing Edge -- being another grip-based obstacle, it might make Stage 3 too difficult. But after Tada nearly cleared the stage, I'm not too worried. I mean, if Tada can nearly do it, then Morimoto should be able to do it too. (Although that depends on Morimoto continuing to compete at the highest level, something we shouldn't take for granted. He, like everyone else, is prone to injury, aging, and the vicissitudes of life.) Agreed. Isa's disqualification reminded me of Nagano's Cliffhanger disqualification. Both are completely forgivable, because when you're flying through the air (or falling, as it were) your brain shuts off and your reflexes kick in. Of course you're going to grab onto anything within reach. So yeah, if there's any way to disqualify-proof the Swing Edge, then the producers should do it; the only trouble is, I'm not sure how it could be done. |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 3, 2022 11:51:57 GMT -5
Nah with Keitaro I think it was the opposite. He probably felt so much pressure from finally getting to attempt the stage that everyone positioned him as one of the most likely to clear, as well as him feeling as though it could be his only chance given his seemingly endless struggles on Stage 2. I think that clouded his judgment resulting in a rookie error; the foot he was using to push himself towards the next pole just slipped so he didn't get enough distance and that was that. Mind you, given that the stage had just been renewed, I don't think he would've had much of a chance of clearing anyway given that Yoshiyuki, Ryo, and Tada all failed. He probably would've gone out on the Swing Edge regardless.
And yeah that's what I thought as well but I think it's probably the most appropriate way of making Stage 3 harder without further buffing the Cliffhanger which would've been the most unpopular decision and rightfully so imo. I also don't mind it being a grip-based obstacle because of how failable it is. Most people who can't make the Cliffhanger jumps would fail the Swing Edge anyway, while anyone who passes the Swing Edge probably has a decent shot of clearing the Cliffhanger. It at least reduces the monotony of 90% of the field reaching the Cliffhanger and then just failing the 180 transition.
Also on the Tada point, I'm kind of not surprised he failed the Vertical Limit (ignoring the fact that it was spoiled by the trailer). He failed it in 36 and the version he passed in 37, though it didn't state it as such (it still said 1cm) was 100% nerfed; you can see he got his entire fingertip around the ledge which meant that it was probably 2cm (I've trained the VL and I can tell you that 1cm makes a HUGE difference), whereas for 39 they seemed to revert back to the original length so that's probs why he failed, not due to the tiredness from the Swing Edge or anything.
And it would just be a simple obstacle redesign. Just block off the front part of the apparatus by designing the X's in a similar way to Falling Shelves, such that you either do the reverse lache grab or you fall.
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Post by penguincatfish on Jan 25, 2022 18:14:38 GMT -5
From Yuuji's channel.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 26, 2022 5:45:01 GMT -5
I’ve been watching Yuuji’s YouTube videos recently and I have to say I’m actually quite impressed with Wasabi. Obvs he’s failed Stage 1 twice now but he seems really dedicated to training. He can also do the Crazy Cliffhanger jumps and anyone who’s capable of that is one to watch out for imo. That said, so can Darvish, and he’s been in a bit of a rut recently (though largely due to external circumstances), so I guess we’ll see if Wasabi can clear Stage 1 first. |
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