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Post by The Chief on Jun 16, 2009 16:35:20 GMT -5
Sammy Sosa tested positive for roids in 03...
Gotta wonder what's gonna happen to him.
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Post by Oti on Jun 16, 2009 16:56:46 GMT -5
Wikipedia says it was in 2003.
Either way, though, what is this about? He continued to have a professional baseball career and now he's retiring.
Did you mean health-wise, or what?
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Post by The Chief on Jun 16, 2009 17:15:04 GMT -5
oh, yeah, Around the Horn and Pardon the Interruption had bad info...
BTW, on Sportscenter, they had the top 6 HR hitters from 1994-2004. Mark McGuire, Sammy, Barry, Palmero, Thome, and someone else I can't remember were on that list...only Thome has not yet tested positive for the roids.
and I meant, like, his records, hall-of-fame status, etc.
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Post by Oti on Jun 16, 2009 19:23:32 GMT -5
Well, my source is the New York times. It's not like it matters, though. Any source can and will lie.
As far as I know, his records stand and he will be inducted into the hall of fame.
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Post by gazzawhite on Jun 16, 2009 23:01:00 GMT -5
Well, my source is the New York times. It's not like it matters, though. Any source can and will lie. As far as I know, his records stand and he will be inducted into the hall of fame. Mark McGwire's records still stand, yet he hasn't been inducted. In fact, he hasn't ever received more than 25% of the vote (you need 75%) in any of the 3 years that he has been eligible. If if wasn't for the steroids controversy, McGwire would likely have been elected in his 1st or 2nd year. And he never even tested positive. So I do think that the steroids connections/accusations will affect Sosa's chances of making the Hall of Fame. But I guess we'll find out eventually. |
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Post by Oti on Jun 16, 2009 23:05:42 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia:
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Post by gazzawhite on Jun 16, 2009 23:31:02 GMT -5
Yes, I read that as well. It sounds like he diverting attention away from the controversy and reminding people of his statistics (which, by themselves, are certainly Hall-of-Fame worthy). Of course he isn't going to say "yeah I did pretty well but everyone reckons I was juiced up so I'll probably have a hard time getting accepted". It should be remembered that it is sportswriters who decide if Sammy Sosa gets into the Hall of Fame, not Sammy Sosa. Another thing that should be noted is that this quote (i.e. his retirement) was made before the New York Times report on him testing positive in 2003. So that could change things. |
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Post by Oti on Jun 17, 2009 0:23:55 GMT -5
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I don't understand the allure of steroids, personally.
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Post by joemello on Jun 17, 2009 3:03:54 GMT -5
I think the phrase "Performance Enhancing Drug" explains any possible lure there is. Also, I'm disappointed that this Sammy was not the topic of this thread. /Loved it back in the day //probably still better than Code Geass |
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Post by Oti on Jun 17, 2009 3:14:09 GMT -5
Well yeah, I get that, but it just doesn't make sense.
I guess I just relate to the percentage of pro athletes who respect themselves enough to do the work it takes to be great instead of trying to cheat.
And that girl looks like Sailor Moon's sister or something.
And she looks familiar.
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Post by joemello on Jun 17, 2009 3:33:00 GMT -5
It's because you have a different kind of tunnel vision than they do. And that girl looks like Sailor Moon's sister or something. And she looks familiar. That's half the point, and this should help the memory |
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Post by Oti on Jun 17, 2009 4:10:54 GMT -5
I have tunnel vision?
How so?
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Post by The Chief on Jun 17, 2009 6:42:08 GMT -5
Tenchi huh? I have heard of that.... Back on topic, broadcaster and former MLB player Steve Stone was asked if he believes Sosa belongs in the Hall of Fame: "I don't," he replied. On Sosa saying recently that he was just going to sit back and wait to be inducted into the Hall of Fame: "Apparently now, the wait is going to be a real long time," Stone said. And Ozzie Gullien(White Sox Manager and Sosa's teammate from 89-91) "There's a lot of Hall of Famers that made mistakes in the past. I bet you a few Hall of Famers were doing illegal stuff, but I think right now the Hall of Fame people are put in a pretty difficult situation about who's going in and who's not." sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4264923espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4264955espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4265525 |
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 17, 2009 15:50:12 GMT -5
i just want you guys to look @ sammys numbers for a second. and compare. Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 1989 20 TOT AL 58 203 183 27 47 8 0 4 13 7 5 11 47 .257 .303 .366 .669 89 67 6 2 5 2 2 879/D 1989 20 TEX AL 25 88 84 8 20 3 0 1 3 0 2 0 20 .238 .238 .310 .548 52 26 3 0 4 0 0 7/89 1989 20 CHW AL 33 115 99 19 27 5 0 3 10 7 3 11 27 .273 .351 .414 .765 118 41 3 2 1 2 2 8/9D7 1990 21 CHW AL 153 579 532 72 124 26 10 15 70 32 16 33 150 .233 .282 .404 .687 92 215 10 6 2 6 4 *9/8 1991 22 CHW AL 116 338 316 39 64 10 1 10 33 13 6 14 98 .203 .240 .335 .576 59 106 5 2 5 1 2 *98/D7 1992 23 CHC NL 67 291 262 41 68 7 2 8 25 15 7 19 63 .260 .317 .393 .710 99 103 4 4 4 2 1 8 1993 24 CHC NL 159 641 598 92 156 25 5 33 93 36 11 38 135 .261 .309 .485 .794 111 290 14 4 0 1 6 *98 1994 25 CHC NL 105 458 426 59 128 17 6 25 70 22 13 25 92 .300 .339 .545 .884 127 232 7 2 1 4 1 *98 1995 26 CHC NL 144 629 564 89 151 17 3 36 119 34 7 58 134 .268 .340 .500 .840 121 282 8 5 0 2 11 *9 AS,MVP-8,SS 1996 27 CHC NL 124 541 498 84 136 21 2 40 100 18 5 34 134 .273 .323 .564 .888 126 281 14 5 0 4 6 *9 MVP-15 1997 28 CHC NL 162 694 642 90 161 31 4 36 119 22 12 45 174 .251 .300 .480 .779 99 308 16 2 0 5 9 *9 MVP-19 1998 29 CHC NL 159 722 643 134 198 20 0 66 158 18 9 73 171 .308 .377 .647 1.024 160 416 20 1 0 5 14 *9/8 AS,MVP-1,SS 1999 30 CHC NL 162 712 625 114 180 24 2 63 141 7 8 78 171 .288 .367 .635 1.002 151 397 17 3 0 6 8 *98 AS,MVP-9,SS 2000 31 CHC NL 156 705 604 106 193 38 1 50 138 7 4 91 168 .320 .406 .634 1.040 161 383 12 2 0 8 19 *9/8 AS,MVP-9,SS 2001 32 CHC NL 160 711 577 146 189 34 5 64 160 0 2 116 153 .328 .437 .737 1.174 203 425 6 6 0 12 37 *9 AS,MVP-2,SS 2002 33 CHC NL 150 666 556 122 160 19 2 49 108 2 0 103 144 .288 .399 .594 .993 160 330 14 3 0 4 15 *9 AS,MVP-9,SS 2003 34 CHC NL 137 589 517 99 144 22 0 40 103 0 1 62 143 .279 .358 .553 .911 133 286 14 5 0 5 9 *9 MVP-8 2004 35 CHC NL 126 539 478 69 121 21 0 35 80 0 0 56 133 .253 .332 .517 .849 113 247 9 2 0 3 4 *9/D AS 2005 36 BAL AL 102 424 380 39 84 15 1 14 45 1 1 39 84 .221 .295 .376 .671 78 143 15 2 0 3 3 9D anything seem... wrong here? better version here: www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sosasa01.shtml |
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Post by The Chief on Jun 17, 2009 17:22:14 GMT -5
ah, Sports Reference, great source, it even found the guy that my dad coached in Little League that never made it out of the minors.
Anyway, 2000, 1999, and 1998 is the time frame that he was thought to have taken steroids in, and his stats were best then.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 17, 2009 20:27:48 GMT -5
ah, Sports Reference, great source, it even found the guy that my dad coached in Little League that never made it out of the minors. Anyway, 2000, 1999, and 1998 is the time frame that he was thought to have taken steroids in, and his stats were best then. i wasnt even looking @ that. I was talking about how he went from like 15 hrs a yr, to 30-40 hrs, then to 60 hrs, all within one season. |
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Post by joemello on Jun 18, 2009 0:40:20 GMT -5
why did I read that as "hours"?
Honestly, all these quotes from players and quotes and whatnot really don't mean anything because no one's going to magically change their tune at this point unless they have to.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 19, 2009 17:18:06 GMT -5
Code Geass isn't even good.
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