Post by tns8597 on Feb 13, 2021 14:51:42 GMT -5
Hey guys. I've wanted to create this discussion for a while ever since the thread regarding what tier Keitaro should be in (no PizzaKing57, this isn't an opportunity for you to mention him again), as it got me wondering on what basis competitors should be assigned to tiers. I definitely believe in a fairly structured and objective system to make choices easier and to remove the effect of bias towards or against certain competitors; also I believe that the tiering system should be based on results and NOT potential to avoid arguments relating to the matter and again make the tiering more objective. So how would you define what needs to be achieved to be in S, A, B, C etc. tier?
Here are mine, along with some examples:
S - had to have achieved Kanzenseiha, as well as being consistently the strongest competitor of their respective eras by a considerable margin i.e. frequently going the furthest of any competitor and seldom failing a stage earlier than the stage at which the tournament ends: for me only Nagano and Morimoto fall under this category. Yuuji imo was never consistent enough even in his prime.
A - is/was a Stage 3 regular AND displayed at least one or two performances that indicated that they were a serious threat to Kanzenseiha. The reason I think both are required is because I don't think it's good enough to constantly reach Stage 3 if their performances on the stage are poor/average every time, conversely I don't think a competitor who had one strong (e.g. late Stage 3) run surrounded by several Stage 1 failures deserves to be in A tier either. Examples of A tier competitors for me would be competitors like Kong, Okuyama, Lee En-Chih, Tada, Yoshiyuki Yamamoto, Takeda, Shiratori, early Yamada and Shingo; Yuuji I'd put in high A-tier because he's made Stage 3 multiple times and obvs has achieved Kanzen but the fact that he was never head and shoulders above the rest across a stretch of tournaments prevents him from breaking into S-tier.
B - is/was a Stage 3 regular OR displayed at least one or two performances that indicated that they were a serious threat to Kanzenseiha. I defo think B-tier is more appropriate for competitors who are consistently strong-ish and inconsistently 0 or 100 if that makes sense. People like Iketani, Nakata, Sato, red-shirt Shingo, and more recently Isa Yoshinori who consistently reached Stage 3 but often displayed no chance whatsoever of reaching the Final, then also competitors like Ryo, Akiyama, Kishimoto, Shinji Kobayashi, who had a couple of really successful tournaments under their belt but surrounded by early Stage 1 fails.
C - Stage 2 regular or reached Stage 3 sparingly but failed early - Keitaro I'd put here as well as Araki as neither have had particularly noteworthy careers thus far, Yusuke Suzuki, Darvish, ABC-Z, etc.
D - reached Stage 2 once or has never cleared Stage 1 but has come close - Snowman, Daisuke Matsuda, Ayano Oshima, recent Shingo are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head
F - basically anyone else: so joke competitors, rookies, Katsumi Yamada, lol
Here are mine, along with some examples:
S - had to have achieved Kanzenseiha, as well as being consistently the strongest competitor of their respective eras by a considerable margin i.e. frequently going the furthest of any competitor and seldom failing a stage earlier than the stage at which the tournament ends: for me only Nagano and Morimoto fall under this category. Yuuji imo was never consistent enough even in his prime.
A - is/was a Stage 3 regular AND displayed at least one or two performances that indicated that they were a serious threat to Kanzenseiha. The reason I think both are required is because I don't think it's good enough to constantly reach Stage 3 if their performances on the stage are poor/average every time, conversely I don't think a competitor who had one strong (e.g. late Stage 3) run surrounded by several Stage 1 failures deserves to be in A tier either. Examples of A tier competitors for me would be competitors like Kong, Okuyama, Lee En-Chih, Tada, Yoshiyuki Yamamoto, Takeda, Shiratori, early Yamada and Shingo; Yuuji I'd put in high A-tier because he's made Stage 3 multiple times and obvs has achieved Kanzen but the fact that he was never head and shoulders above the rest across a stretch of tournaments prevents him from breaking into S-tier.
B - is/was a Stage 3 regular OR displayed at least one or two performances that indicated that they were a serious threat to Kanzenseiha. I defo think B-tier is more appropriate for competitors who are consistently strong-ish and inconsistently 0 or 100 if that makes sense. People like Iketani, Nakata, Sato, red-shirt Shingo, and more recently Isa Yoshinori who consistently reached Stage 3 but often displayed no chance whatsoever of reaching the Final, then also competitors like Ryo, Akiyama, Kishimoto, Shinji Kobayashi, who had a couple of really successful tournaments under their belt but surrounded by early Stage 1 fails.
C - Stage 2 regular or reached Stage 3 sparingly but failed early - Keitaro I'd put here as well as Araki as neither have had particularly noteworthy careers thus far, Yusuke Suzuki, Darvish, ABC-Z, etc.
D - reached Stage 2 once or has never cleared Stage 1 but has come close - Snowman, Daisuke Matsuda, Ayano Oshima, recent Shingo are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head
F - basically anyone else: so joke competitors, rookies, Katsumi Yamada, lol
