Tournaments that could have been Kanzens

[darthvaderlim]

Which tournaments do you think could have ended in Kanzen?
Sasuke 8- If the course wasn't raining and Takeda cleared the Pipe Slider, I think it would have been a close contender.
Sasuke 12- Aside from Nagano, Bunpei could have cleared if he had the same pace from the beginning, and Takeda and Akiyama could have made it far, if they reached the final.
Sasuke 13- If Nagano had struggled on the rope, he probably would have a chance of clearing.
Sasuke 16- If Koji Yamada or Bunpei cleared, I think they might have made it far on the final. Also if Nagano didn't make that mistake on the Pipe Slider, it would have been an easy Kanzen.
Sasuke 21- Another interesting one since, if the Gliding Ring was functioning properly, it would have been the first double Kanzen.
Sasuke 37- If Yusuke hadn't timed up on the Wall due to the weather, it would have been a likely Kanzen.

[Zach Smith]

23 if the time limit wasn't decreased

[tns8597]

People keep going on about Nagano having been able to achieve Kanzen in 23 if the time limit wasn't decreased; the fact of the matter is that it was decreased due to Yuuji's near Kanzen in the previous tournament, which has nothing to do with Nagano himself so there's too many factors at play here to have considered that an actual possibility. Now Sasuke 21 is a different story given that Nagano would've probably made the Final had it not been for the Final Ring s**tshow, where the time limit would've been 45 seconds so he would've had a legitimate chance there.

Another one that I know people will mention is Kongu in 24: I rewatched his Final Stage run and he was 4-5 seconds slower than Yuuji when transitioning to the Rope Climb, and given that Yuuji cleared with 3.5 seconds left AND had extensively trained Rope Climbing (as shown as he was way faster than anyone else including Kongu that tournament), I don't think Kongu would've achieved Kanzen if it wasn't for the safety wire getting tangled up. Kongu was actually pretty slow on the rope climb and only got tangled up with about 7-8 seconds, yet was a good 4-5 metres away from the goal. It would've been close but I don't think he would've made it imo.

My biggest 'what ifs' personally would've been Shinji in 11 if he'd cleared the Pipe Slider due to his speed, Bunpei in 16 given that he nearly made it in 12 and was known for his incredible training techniques so no doubt he would've had a better run in a second attempt, and Koji Yamada in 16 due to his firefighter rope climbing skills. The latter choice should be taken with a pinch of salt given that the Pipe Slider jump that tournament was a real menace so there's still a high chance he would've failed the jump.

[ChiBiJKT48]

I am sorry, but Time Limit does play in Nagano's disadvantage. If you watch closely, during the Interview of the Finalists, you will notice the Timer was set to 45 seconds. This mean that they didn't think of Urushihara's close call until literally the last minute.

[tns8597]

I didn’t know that and if that’s true then that’s really unfortunate.

It’s a bit of a weird argument. Nagano could’ve made the Final in Sasuke 21, but the fact that Urushihara did so first meant that Nagano would’ve trained for the 45-second time limit for the following tournament after its reveal, not knowing the time limit was going to be reduced to 40. Had Nagano made the Final in 21, he might not have cleared as he wouldn’t have known what to expect (I don’t know if the competitors knew of the Final Stage before it was announced?) and wouldn’t have known what to work towards. Nagano would’ve still come close because it was Nagano, so they would’ve still decreased the time limit for the next tournament.

So I guess if it wasn’t for the Final Ring issue, it would’ve gone in one of 2 ways, both of which could’ve seen Nagano Kanzen:
- Nagano reached the Final Stage in 21 and Kanzen’d
- Nagano reached the Final Stage in 21, had a near miss, the time limit would’ve been reduced for Yuuji’s run in 22, so Nagano would’ve known ahead of time that the time limit had been reduced and trained for that time limit in 23, vastly improving his chances of clearing.

So I suppose the Final Ring issue did really screw Nagano over in both 21 and 23 (not 22 just because he failed Stage 1 anyway).

[ChiBiJKT48]

I make a Tweet about it few minutes ago *since my YouTube is done and dusted*, you can see it closely here:

[ChiBiJKT48]

Also, yes, competitors that was on-set can know what is the Final Stage looks like. I mean, why Yamada even train for Spider Climb prior to SASUKE 6 if he had no idea that it will be on Final Stage?

[tns8597]

Oh god yeah that is unfortunate. Imagine Kanno and Nagano’s reactions when they found out literally minutes before their run that they would have only 40 seconds instead of 45.

Also yeah I suppose you’re right. I just assumed that the tower would be empty and purely aesthetic (like the Sasuke 36 and 37 one given the Final was filmed live and at a different venue) and then they’d add the obstacles when someone finally clears. I suppose logistically its difficult to hide a motorised obstacle like the Spider Climb but the Heavenly Ladder they can defo fix up on the night.

[SRW]

Nagano got screwed so bad in 23 he should have won they messed up with the 45 second time limit they should have had to now lie in their bed over the time being that and face the consequences not cheaply pull the rug out at the last second which they literally did.

21 Nagano beats gliding ring possibly wins it? Depends if the final was 45 all we know is the ladder was originally steel.

12 well we all know about that so close.

3 had Yamada's one moment to almost do it.

27 was easy both should have cleared it tbh.

24 Kenji I think was on for victory too until he got tangled he was faster than Yuuji to that point IIRC

24 Hashimoto should have got it too really just one c*** up on the ladder rope transition.

37 Yusuke would have smashed it had he not had the freak wall time up.