Jump Hang

[scnoi1217]

Jun 11, 2009 16:59:55 GMT -5 TCM said:

Like scnoi said, that's how I meant one-shot like with circle slider, if you didn't jump right away, it'll basically be a dead stop and you'd have to make your own momentum just laying there, having to swing on your own power with no help from stopping if that makes sense. Or I may have just contradicted myself. I just don't see how Gliding Ring will be failable unless someone doesn't build momentum right away, or if we have another Nagano fiasco. I like the ring, but there's too many loopholes in it with that stopper. Pipe slider didn't have a stopper and even with it sliding back, it was possible.

I definitely think it is failable. Unless someone is perfect through it, and has a great jump, then I don't think they will have enough momentum to get it to work. One has to control the ring, and I think that if the ring is moved too far to one side (thus the side of the ring is touching the bar) then momentum is stopped or at least slowed (similar to if the Stick Slider went too far to one side with the stoppers). Plus once your at the end you still need to build up a little more momentum. If it looks easy then I would re-think that. Overlooking the obstacle and saying that it is easy probably will lead to someone's downfall in a later tournament. While it's not the Pipe Slider in terms of difficulty, I don't think it will be a guarenteed 100% success rate.

[bigblind168]

Jun 11, 2009 17:36:30 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

Jun 11, 2009 16:59:55 GMT -5 TCM said:

Like scnoi said, that's how I meant one-shot like with circle slider, if you didn't jump right away, it'll basically be a dead stop and you'd have to make your own momentum just laying there, having to swing on your own power with no help from stopping if that makes sense. Or I may have just contradicted myself. I just don't see how Gliding Ring will be failable unless someone doesn't build momentum right away, or if we have another Nagano fiasco. I like the ring, but there's too many loopholes in it with that stopper. Pipe slider didn't have a stopper and even with it sliding back, it was possible.

I definitely think it is failable. Unless someone is perfect through it, and has a great jump, then I don't think they will have enough momentum to get it to work. One has to control the ring, and I think that if the ring is moved too far to one side (thus the side of the ring is touching the bar) then momentum is stopped or at least slowed (similar to if the Stick Slider went too far to one side with the stoppers). Plus once your at the end you still need to build up a little more momentum. If it looks easy then I would re-think that. Overlooking the obstacle and saying that it is easy probably will lead to someone's downfall in a later tournament. While it's not the Pipe Slider in terms of difficulty, I don't think it will be a guarenteed 100% success rate.

Nothing has a 100% success rate, i bet 1 or 2 people even failed the bungee bridge!

anyway, The thing is, i think it'd be quite easy to build momentum, the ring is stopped in a notch, correct? so just swing..., u cant be moved back, and its a decending track, so even if u do go up, you'll be sliding back down anyway.
also, i dont think people will be messing it up... well they might be, like Asaoka mastered the pipe slider so it wouldnt move back in sauske 12... people still didnt learn.

[Oti]

It's not so much stopped in a notch. It's just against the support pipe at the end and it won't go back uphill.

[obakemono]

I always thought that too, but everyone seems adamant that there's a notch. Even if it did slide back, it wouldn't go very far, and I doubt it would affect the momentum too much.

[Oti]

Exactly.

[scnoi1217]

In SASUKE 21's version, yes, there was a notch. That's what Nagano was trying to get over and just as he got over it, he fell. For every other tournament (including the Final Ring ones), there was no stopper.

[Oti]

Watching it again, I don't see it.

How do you know there was a notch?

[scnoi1217]

He's trying his hardest to get over the stopper that is before the bar which the ring normally ends on. When he finally gets over, he falls. That's why the ring never reached the end of the rail until Nagano fell. Plus, talks with Arsenette about it who had a friend there helps.

[Oti]

It looks like something is stopping him, but I'm not convinced from the video. I missed the G4 airing of it, so I missed it in high quality.

And honestly, I'm not interested in anything Arsenette says.

[obakemono]

Not saying there is or isn't a stopper, but if you were going to do the jump, you'd try to get to the end of the track regardless.

[Oti]

Definitely, yeah.

[supernovamaniac]

That brings up the question: How is the stopper made?

In 21, Nagano had a hard time going over that. If it is that huge and doesn't glide well, why not just remove it?

[RiderLeangle]

I'd watch the spoilers #10 whoever you are...

And heres a picture of what the notch looks like, This is spoiler free because you guys already "spoiled" the Gliding Ring is in 22
www.majhost.com/gallery/manaleader/Sasuke/glidingringnotchspoilless.jpg

[Oti]

The stopper is most likely a small chunk of metal attached to a strap. The strap is then secured to the pipe.

Sasuke is pretty simple like that.

[RiderLeangle]

Something I must point out I noticed while watching the G4 broadcast. During the first couple of swings, Urushihara wasn't even in the notch and he didn't swing up the track. So that makes the stopper pretty pointless doesn't it? more like to slow competitors down rather than help them

[TCM]

That's why I said there is too many loopholes with the stopper, you can get by without it at all. Though they'll probably make it harder by making them stop farther back.

[supersheep]

I'd just take it out, it serves no purpose

[Oti]

Seriously. I noticed that too.