Crazy cliffhanger rule

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Why do you have to 180 on crazy cliffhanger

[ChiBiJKT48]

Because it is the rule? What else?

If you read Arsenette's blog on SASUKE 31, few months before DD did his illegal turn on the tournament, a LaLaPort event is held and had Crazy Cliffhanger on it. Someone did DD's style during it and the producers who was there told the competitor right away to stop doing that because it is dangerous and illegal thing to do and it shouldn't be shown to kids.

[tns8597]

I think he’s more asking why it was ever a rule in the first place.

I heard also that it could be more dangerous as there’s a higher chance of you overshooting the jump if you turn around prior and potentially either banging your head on the ledge or landing on the hard gravel instead of the water.

ANW I’m pretty sure only doesn’t have that rule because the last ledge is made of plexiglass and they have mats on the edge of the water.

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Oct 15, 2020 15:20:04 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

I think he’s more asking why it was ever a rule in the first place.

I heard also that it could be more dangerous as there’s a higher chance of you overshooting the jump if you turn around prior and potentially either banging your head on the ledge or landing on the hard gravel instead of the water.

ANW I’m pretty sure only doesn’t have that rule because the last ledge is made of plexiglass and they have mats on the edge of the water.

I don’t see how plexiglass prevents you from banging your head on it also can’t they just put mats next to water

[Kane-Not-Kosugi]

Oct 15, 2020 15:20:04 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

I think he’s more asking why it was ever a rule in the first place.

I heard also that it could be more dangerous as there’s a higher chance of you overshooting the jump if you turn around prior and potentially either banging your head on the ledge or landing on the hard gravel instead of the water.

ANW I’m pretty sure only doesn’t have that rule because the last ledge is made of plexiglass and they have mats on the edge of the water.

That sounds so stupidly backwards. Why is there no concern about hitting your head while doing the 180, while you're literally looking AWAY from where you need to be for majority of the rotation??? Any skilled competitor knows how to control their basic laches like how most of ANW does it, and those are the only ones that are good enough to even get to the Crazy Cliffhanger in general. 

It's not like noobs who haven't trained on the Cliffhanger are making it to the Cliffhanger. It's not dangerous to basically do a Jumping Bars lache on it when the competitors like Yusuke, Tomo, Yuuji, etc. are more than capable of that. 

[tns8597]

I agree, if that's true it's a dumb justification for wanting competitors to do the transition backwards. That's just what I heard somewhere.

I would've been fine with 'it's harder to do it that way, therefore you have to do it this way'.

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Oct 16, 2020 17:24:23 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

I agree, if that's true it's a dumb justification for wanting competitors to do the transition backwards. That's just what I heard somewhere.

I would've been fine with 'it's harder to do it that way, therefore you have to do it this way'.

why is it harder to do 180 than reverse grip

[tns8597]

Because when you actually make the jump you have to sort of second guess where the ledge is rather than if you’re facing forwards and can directly see the ledge. You almost have to make the extent of the swing and jump, hand placement muscle memory based on hours of practice; and even then it’s not guaranteed.

Also the rotational body movement is way way tougher than just jumping forwards; requires a really strong core.

Have you wondered why landing the 180 jump is never guaranteed, even if the competitor had done it before? Think Kawaguchi in 31 and 36, Drew in 33 and 34, Hioki in 37. There are many more factors in place, all of which have to be in the right place at the right time.

By contrast, in ANW competitors are allowed to turn around prior to jumping and just jump forwards, and basically no one has failed the transition that way.

[subtleagent]

Oct 17, 2020 14:57:22 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

Because when you actually make the jump you have to sort of second guess where the ledge is rather than if you’re facing forwards and can directly see the ledge. You almost have to make the extent of the swing and jump, hand placement muscle memory based on hours of practice; and even then it’s not guaranteed.

Also the rotational body movement is way way tougher than just jumping forwards; requires a really strong core.

Have you wondered why landing the 180 jump is never guaranteed, even if the competitor had done it before? Think Kawaguchi in 31 and 36, Drew in 33 and 34, Hioki in 37. There are many more factors in place, all of which have to be in the right place at the right time.

By contrast, in ANW competitors are allowed to turn around prior to jumping and just jump forwards, and basically no one has failed the transition that way.

Joe Moravsky failed that way in USA vs. The World II.

[tns8597]

He did, and everyone wondered why he did the transition that way because it was a known fact that the 180 is harder than the forwards jump. He failed even though I’m pretty sure (correct me if I’m wrong) their landing ledge is wider than usual.