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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 15, 2020 8:51:38 GMT -5
We all know that Shiratori love destroying Jump Hang with his one-foot technique. Nagano with Body Prop and Cliffhanger Kai. Takeda with Wall Lifting. What is the other three best? Share your thoughts!
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Post by BigT on Aug 15, 2020 11:54:36 GMT -5
I would argue Yamada destroyed body prop, too. Also, for me Yamada always did really well on the first obstacle on stage 1 (Godantobi, Rokudantobi). He always went through with very high speed unlike, say Takeda.
Shingo - Balance tank. Well, except Sasuke 25.
Akiyama - no doubt the rope climbing. He destroyed the final stage people had struggled so much with.
Nagano - Cliffhanger Kai. 7 clears out of 7 attempts. Unbelievable.
To be honest, Takeda style wall lifting is what I am missing in modern day Sasuke and it's also why I hate backstream - as long as it's there we are not likely to see that.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 15, 2020 13:24:26 GMT -5
I think for most All-Stars it's easier to do a 'crushed by obstacle' rather than 'obstacle crushed' list, so I'll provide both.
Obstacle crushed: I agree with all of the above, except Shingo, given that the Balance Tank also slowed him down in SASUKE 13 and caused him to time out. I'd say Shingo's crushed the Soritatsu Kabe given that he's the only All-Star to have never failed the obstacle in competition. Also, with Nagano I'd also say Pipe Slider. I know he failed it in SASUKE 9 but that was his first try; he defo had the best jump of any competitor. Most competitors barely made it but he'd always make it deep into the map.
Crushed by obstacle: Yamada - Pipe Slider, then later Stage 1, particularly the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Akiyama - Jump Hang and Soritatsu Kabe Bunpei - can't really think of any, he didn't really have a rivalry with a particular obstacle. I suppose balance obstacles caught him out? Like the Downhill Jump and Balance Tank. Nagano - Final Stage in his early days, but later the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Shingo - Stage 3 in his earlier days, which as we know was a losing battle after SASUKE 7. More recently though, anything involving a trampoline..... Takeda - Pipe Slider, Cliffhanger Kai (which accounted for 6 of his 13 failures), Salmon Ladder as well.
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Post by zoran on Aug 15, 2020 14:45:59 GMT -5
I think for most All-Stars it's easier to do a 'crushed by obstacle' rather than 'obstacle crushed' list, so I'll provide both. Obstacle crushed: I agree with all of the above, except Shingo, given that the Balance Tank also slowed him down in SASUKE 13 and caused him to time out. I'd say Shingo's crushed the Soritatsu Kabe given that he's the only All-Star to have never failed the obstacle in competition. Also, with Nagano I'd also say Pipe Slider. I know he failed it in SASUKE 9 but that was his first try; he defo had the best jump of any competitor. Most competitors barely made it but he'd always make it deep into the map. Crushed by obstacle: Yamada - Pipe Slider, then later Stage 1, particularly the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Akiyama - Jump Hang and Soritatsu Kabe Bunpei - can't really think of any, he didn't really have a rivalry with a particular obstacle. I suppose balance obstacles caught him out? Like the Downhill Jump and Balance Tank. Nagano - Final Stage in his early days, but later the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Shingo - Stage 3 in his earlier days, which as we know was a losing battle after SASUKE 7. More recently though, anything involving a trampoline..... Takeda - Pipe Slider, Cliffhanger Kai (which accounted for 6 of his 13 failures), Salmon Ladder as well. Nagano only failed the Jumping Spider twice. For 24 it was just a lapse in judgement, if that didn't happen, he would have cleared the obstacle easily. For 26 it was one of the hardest versions of the obstacle and the fact it was missing in the previous tournament meant non one was anticipating or training for its return.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 15, 2020 14:55:24 GMT -5
Yep that is true actually.
The Soritatsu Kabe definitely though given that he failed it in 3 out of his last 5 competitions, and in one of the instances he cleared it, it still caused him to time out because it hung him up. I know he was injured in 29 but there was no guarantee he would’ve cleared given that he failed it in 28.
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Post by zoran on Aug 15, 2020 15:04:33 GMT -5
Yep that is true actually. The Soritatsu Kabe definitely though given that he failed it in 3 out of his last 5 competitions, and in one of the instances he cleared it, it still caused him to time out because it hung him up. I know he was injured in 29 but there was no guarantee he would’ve cleared given that he failed it in 28. Nah he would have cleared in 29 easily as in his run even with the bad leg he got his finger tips to the top of the wall multiple times.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 15, 2020 15:41:13 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Either way, that's still the obstacle that stopped him. I guess that's another way in which the wall is deadly, in that if your ankle or whatever is even slightly injured you're screwed, like how Ali Hay reached the wall with 40 seconds left in 37 despite his ankle but the wall just crushed his hopes.
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Post by azn on Aug 15, 2020 18:03:22 GMT -5
I think Akiyama crushed the cliffhanger also, the man legit practiced the obstacle by hanging off a bridge, it's a shame we couldn't see more attempts. Bunpei also destroyed the Globe Grasp, though he could've slipped in 12, the man flew threw it like it was no deal. If were talking about obstacles crushing the all-stars, The Wall lift legit kinda crushed Shingo in Sasuke 2, but he was still able to clear it. Is it just me or does Yamada seem to struggle a lot with the Wall Lift, especially when he's trying to lift the 2nd and 3rd walls, he seem's so stiff with it, also he seems to go incredibly slow on the tarzan rope.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Aug 16, 2020 18:38:58 GMT -5
I think for most All-Stars it's easier to do a 'crushed by obstacle' rather than 'obstacle crushed' list, so I'll provide both. Obstacle crushed: I agree with all of the above, except Shingo, given that the Balance Tank also slowed him down in SASUKE 13 and caused him to time out. I'd say Shingo's crushed the Soritatsu Kabe given that he's the only All-Star to have never failed the obstacle in competition. Also, with Nagano I'd also say Pipe Slider. I know he failed it in SASUKE 9 but that was his first try; he defo had the best jump of any competitor. Most competitors barely made it but he'd always make it deep into the map. Crushed by obstacle: Yamada - Pipe Slider, then later Stage 1, particularly the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Akiyama - Jump Hang and Soritatsu Kabe Bunpei - can't really think of any, he didn't really have a rivalry with a particular obstacle. I suppose balance obstacles caught him out? Like the Downhill Jump and Balance Tank. Nagano - Final Stage in his early days, but later the Jumping Spider and Soritatsu Kabe Shingo - Stage 3 in his earlier days, which as we know was a losing battle after SASUKE 7. More recently though, anything involving a trampoline..... Takeda - Pipe Slider, Cliffhanger Kai (which accounted for 6 of his 13 failures), Salmon Ladder as well. Did you know Nagano failed the Pipe Slider again in an unaired attempt after his retirement? I believe it was around Sasuke 35 and there is a picture of it.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 16, 2020 18:49:08 GMT -5
Yeah although I don't really put that against him given that he's like 48 now and retired lol
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Aug 16, 2020 19:21:57 GMT -5
Yeah although I don't really put that against him given that he's like 48 now and retired lol Me neither, but I was still surprised to learn that. I feel the old Pipe Slider was a bit harder.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 16, 2020 21:59:53 GMT -5
Did you know Nagano failed the Pipe Slider again in an unaired attempt after his retirement? I believe it was around Sasuke 35 and there is a picture of it. That was SASUKE 34. TBS tweet about it and from the translation, they basically typed, "What is this? An attempt that wasn't supposed to be?". And Nagano, after being asked, tweet that he fail the jump. But, it was unofficial attempt *same as when Yamamoto fail Soritatsu Kabe in Trials*, so we are not gonna count that.
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Post by yusukeisthegoat227 on Aug 17, 2020 22:32:48 GMT -5
Obstacles Each All Star Crushed:
-Nagano on the Spider Walk was so fast (I think he got over-confident when he failed the Jumping Spider in Sasuke 24). And he always lifted the walls straight over his head on the wall lift.
-Yamada always breezed through the Godantobi/Rokudantobi
-Akiyama, it's the rope climbing in Sasuke 4. 6 seconds left when no one else except Yamada even came close.
-Takeda, during his heyday, generally everything on the First Stage. Only failed twice from Sasuke 5-18.
-Shingo never failed the Soritasu Kabe. Given his very long run on the show, that's pretty impressive.
-Bunpei, it's the Devil Balanco. A weird choice, but his technique in Sasuke 16 helped pave the way to Nagano clearing it in 17.
And now, obstacles each all star was crushed by...
-Nagano suffered at the Soritasu Kabe towards the beginning and end of his career. Also failing the final stage three times in a row is pretty crushing, though of course he got revenge eventually.
-Yamada, the entire First Stage after Sasuke 12. Sorry, I had to.
-Akiyama, clearly the Jump Hang. He failed it 3 times in a row after his Kanzen, and his eye condition probably didn't help.
-Takeda, three pipe slider fails. Absolutely brutal.
-Shingo's failure on the Spider Climb in Sasuke 7 was obviously brutal, and not because of the obstacle but because of his shoulder.
-Shiratori it's the Pipe Slider. He failed it in Sasuke 13 and 16, and he was really good during this stretch. He might've had a shot at Kanzen if he cleared.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 17, 2020 23:43:52 GMT -5
I had to argue that Akiyama Kazuhiko is Soritatsu Kabe, he still fail it after clearing it, different with Jump Hang when he already clear it in SASUKE 10, he never fail it again.
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Post by BigT on Aug 18, 2020 4:46:22 GMT -5
They should let Yamada attempt pipe slider in Sasuke 38. He finally might make the jump.
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Post by darthvaderlim on Aug 19, 2020 1:07:05 GMT -5
Obstacle that crushed each All-Star Swap Salmon Ladder- After Sasuke 30, I knew the All-Stars would no longer reach stage three. Congratulations, TBS for killing the All-Stars. I hope you're happy Warped Wall: No explanation needed. Except for Shingo. Pipe Slider: One of the few obstacles to eliminate all six All-Stars.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 22, 2020 15:57:54 GMT -5
Seriously though, how does Takeda literally THROW 50kg over his head? He’s not exactly a big guy, but he can get through the wall lift faster than a lot of the much larger Americans
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