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Post by casuallystranded on Aug 13, 2020 7:50:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know what is going on with Brent Steffenson? He posted a video responding to the Drew Dreschel situation where he blamed the victim and doesn't think having sex with a 15 year old is wrong. He's also been posting a number of conspiracy theories and other controversial topics. I hope he is no longer invited back to ANW. Now that Kacy is long gone, I have no idea how they would show him regardless of what he just did. How are they going to, on a show aimed at children, have him in it? “Hey Kids, next up is a cannabis manufacturer! Did you know that it’s illegal in the state he lives in? He also spouts conspiracy theories! Did you know that vaccination is a ploy by Big Pharma to sell more drugs? (he actually believes this!)” |
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Aug 13, 2020 11:34:16 GMT -5
Does anyone know what is going on with Brent Steffenson? He posted a video responding to the Drew Dreschel situation where he blamed the victim and doesn't think having sex with a 15 year old is wrong. He's also been posting a number of conspiracy theories and other controversial topics. I hope he is no longer invited back to ANW. Now that Kacy is long gone, I have no idea how they would show him regardless of what he just did. How are they going to, on a show aimed at children, have him in it? “Hey Kids, next up is a cannabis manufacturer! Did you know that it’s illegal in the state he lives in? He also spouts conspiracy theories! Did you know that vaccination is a ploy by Big Pharma to sell more drugs? (he actually believes this!)” He also believes in Pizzagate, which is kind of weird. It’ll take a miracle to keep him on the air. |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 11:44:46 GMT -5
Deeeeeeefinitively better to just avoid talking about Brent. This thread is long as it is.. we don't need that here. We have our hands full with an arrested alleged pedophile..
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Post by peterpack on Aug 13, 2020 13:34:54 GMT -5
Man this is bad news !
There is a Huge difference between CONSENSUAL sex with a 15 year old and forced rape with a 10 year old. Both are labelled child sex offenders.
Yes what Drew did is illegal, and he deserves punishment
If you put every male in america in a room with an attractive willing 15 year old girl and said they could have sex with her with no consequences, i promise you, over 70 percent would do it
There are a lot of countries where 16 is the age of consent. In those countries, there are plenty of relationships of 19-22 year old men dating 17 year old girls and it's normal
look at the amount of jokes which went around when the Olsen twins became legal. When we are talking about this 15 to 17 year old age range, it is the fear of the consequences (jail, loss of reputation, loss of job etc) which prevents most men acting on their urges, not the fact they think sex with them is wrong.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 13:47:57 GMT -5
This isn't about the age of consent because at this point it would fail anyway. She was 14 when this entire fiasco started. That's a crime everywhere around the world. Aggravated only adds to the sentence. Anyway, seems he's trying to plead and asking the court to seal the documents that are not public already (among other things) - Reddit thread with link to protective order. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Aug 13, 2020 14:05:46 GMT -5
She was 14 when this entire fiasco started. That's a crime everywhere around the world. Isn't the age of consent 13 in Japan? |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 14:08:44 GMT -5
She was 14 when this entire fiasco started. That's a crime everywhere around the world. Isn't the age of consent 13 in Japan? Would be news to me if it is. However this is a United States case so at this point it's parsing for the case of parsing. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Aug 13, 2020 14:52:32 GMT -5
Isn't the age of consent 13 in Japan? Would be news to me if it is. However this is a United States case so at this point it's parsing for the case of parsing. I mean, you said it was illegal "all over the world," which isn't true. Many countries have ages of consent that are 14 or lower, including Brazil, Paraguay, and Japan. People in those countries would probably find it very surprising to learn that Drew faces jail time for what he did. |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 15:03:06 GMT -5
Would be news to me if it is. However this is a United States case so at this point it's parsing for the case of parsing. I mean, you said it was illegal "all over the world," which isn't true. Many countries have ages of consent that are 14 or lower, including Brazil, Paraguay, and Japan. People in those countries would probably find it very surprising to learn that Drew faces jail time for what he did. This case is not about consent. Never has been. Again you are being pedantic. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Aug 13, 2020 15:10:26 GMT -5
I mean, you said it was illegal "all over the world," which isn't true. Many countries have ages of consent that are 14 or lower, including Brazil, Paraguay, and Japan. People in those countries would probably find it very surprising to learn that Drew faces jail time for what he did. This case is not about consent. Never has been. Again you are being pedantic. What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. |
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Post by Paragus on Aug 13, 2020 15:25:49 GMT -5
This case is not about consent. Never has been. Again you are being pedantic. What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. And? It happened in the U.S., where she WAS below the age of consent, so it's a crime. Doesn't matter if it's legal or socially acceptable in other countries, it's outlawed in the States. |
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 13, 2020 15:34:38 GMT -5
What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. ****ing hell. There is still someone who wanted to debate about the consent? **** you. Like I typed before, if this happened to your sister/daughter, I'm sure you would be the first one to react. I can only assume you are DD's fan, otherwise you won't type these words. |
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Post by peterpack on Aug 13, 2020 15:40:12 GMT -5
I mean, you said it was illegal "all over the world," which isn't true. Many countries have ages of consent that are 14 or lower, including Brazil, Paraguay, and Japan. People in those countries would probably find it very surprising to learn that Drew faces jail time for what he did. This case is not about consent. Never has been. Again you are being pedantic. You are correct, it is not about consent, because consent was given by the girl. It is about the law and Drew broke the law in the country he lives in. Drew has already paid a huge price for this (loss of his reputation and his career), he will most likely receive more punishment I have no issue with Drew getting punished, i am not saying he is a good person, i am just saying he does not deserve to be lumped together with someone who rapes and murders a 5 year old |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 15:41:44 GMT -5
What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. And? It happened in the U.S., where she WAS below the age of consent, so it's a crime. Doesn't matter if it's legal or socially acceptable in other countries, it's outlawed in the States. In addition it is not about consent. Consent is in play in cases that are not a crime. No consent was given by her legal guardian (mother in this case). She was below the "age of consent" in New Jersey AND Connecticut so she wasn't able to give it herself. And when Drew manufactured the porn it was without her consent as well. That alone is a felony in the USA (all states included). The interstate enticement is also a felony also done under the age of consent and consent from the legal guardian. See? This has nothing to do with the age of consent. All of these laws are under 18 years of age anyway (Federal statute in the USA). What happens in other countries and what I was referring to (and yes I did check wiki) would ALSO fall under their statutes because these are crime issues (statutory rape) and not "consent" issues. All of this was done out of consent of the legal guardian of which she was placed in the protection of. Even Japan, Brazil and the other countries specifically make a differentiation between them. They have statutory rape laws and pornography laws that are irrespective of "age of consent" guidelines. This case is not about consent. Never has been. Again you are being pedantic. You are correct, it is not about consent, because consent was given by the girl. It is about the law and Drew broke the law in the country he lives in. Drew has already paid a huge price for this (loss of his reputation and his career), he will most likely receive more punishment I have no issue with Drew getting punished, i am not saying he is a good person, i am just saying he does not deserve to be lumped together with someone who rapes and murders a 5 year old Well if he murdered someone he would get the death penalty so the equivalence is already there by nature of the law written. How others perceive that (in respect to the law or potential sentence) is a bit irrelevant to the argument. |
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Post by DonalM on Aug 13, 2020 15:44:58 GMT -5
I'm recalling this mostly from memory, so PLEASE DON'T take anything I say here as fact, but I seem to recall a ninja by the name of Ernest Phillips got charged for having sexual relations with a couple of girls involved with him through dance (they were more around the 16-17 year old range). I'm guessing if he got any jail time from it, it must have been less than a year, because I remember seeing him at local competitions around a year later. But this resulted in him being banned from the Season 3 NNL Finals (he was the top point getter from the regular season) as well as (just a guess) competing on ANW after he got in the walk-on line that year. But it seems like he got re-accepted back into the ninja community. Maybe the fact that he is a lower-profile athlete than Drew played to his advantage, and most of the ninjas never found out about this.
Also, again, Drew can go to hell.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 13, 2020 15:49:18 GMT -5
I have no issue with Drew getting punished, i am not saying he is a good person, i am just saying he does not deserve to be lumped together with someone who rapes and murders a 5 year old Which I totally can agree with you. But, according to the law, he could get maximum 30 years *please help me if I was wrong here*. And he should get that. Because, from what I read, her Mother already said that she was 15 at one point! So he already got enough excuse to not continue the relationship. But no, he keep continue it. He had to pay for it. |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2020 15:52:53 GMT -5
I'm recalling this mostly from memory, so PLEASE DON'T take anything I say here as fact, but I seem to recall a ninja by the name of Ernest Phillips got charged for having sexual relations with a couple of girls involved with him through dance (they were more around the 16-17 year old range). I'm guessing if he got any jail time from it, it must have been less than a year, because I remember seeing him at local competitions around a year later. But this resulted in him being banned from the Season 3 NNL Finals (he was the top point getter from the regular season) as well as (just a guess) competing on ANW after he got in the walk-on line that year. But it seems like he got re-accepted back into the ninja community. Maybe the fact that he is a lower-profile athlete than Drew played to his advantage, and most of the ninjas never found out about this. Also, again, Drew can go to hell. Yeah I remember Ernest Phillips story and what the NNL ended up doing. IF this is the same thing - He's in jail for it. Took a while but even so it's a lot lighter due to the screw ups from the state officials. You are correct though that his story was swept under the rug (for the same reasons that people are trying for Drew). That's why I'm happy William's video spoke directly about it as well. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Aug 13, 2020 16:10:27 GMT -5
What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. I can only assume you are DD's fan, otherwise you won't type these words. I've never even seen ANW, so no, I'm not a fan of Drew Drechsel. I'm only aware of him through Sasuke, and I was never impressed by him there. What is it about then? All the charges stem from the accuser's age. If she were above the age of consent, then there would be no case and no crime. And? It happened in the U.S., where she WAS below the age of consent, so it's a crime. Doesn't matter if it's legal or socially acceptable in other countries, it's outlawed in the States. I was merely correcting Arsenette, who incorrectly claimed that what Drew allegedly did is "a crime everywhere around the world." It's not. |
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 13, 2020 16:11:17 GMT -5
That is interesting article to read. The difference here is, he know he is guilty. He didn't try to avoid the sentence, just hoped that it was reduced. Not the same can be said about DD.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 13, 2020 16:13:44 GMT -5
I was merely correcting Arsenette, who incorrectly claimed that what Drew allegedly did is "a crime everywhere around the world." It's not. So what? You would allow that to happen at countries that allowed it, that is your conclusion? |
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