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Post by madship on Aug 15, 2020 1:40:34 GMT -5
Does anyone know what is going on with Brent Steffenson? He posted a video responding to the Drew Dreschel situation where he blamed the victim and doesn't think having sex with a 15 year old is wrong. He's also been posting a number of conspiracy theories and other controversial topics. I hope he is no longer invited back to ANW. I've not liked Brent for a while cause of the bs he pushes on his professional accounts. This only makes my dislike for him grow. Brett was never all that likable. I always found him annoying until I finally saw season 2. But that was the only season I ever really liked him. |
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Post by madship on Aug 15, 2020 1:57:50 GMT -5
Look i am not of course excusing Drew, i've said before he deserves some punishment, but i just want to put a few things in perspective. I used to live in Australia. US Sailors would dock in port now and then. Schoolgirls aged 13/14 through to 17 would dress up and go down to the port town to hang out and yes there were going there to be picked up. US sailors would talk to these girls (knowing they were underage), take them to hotels/motels for sex. Not talking about one or two cases, many hundred a visit. This was not exceptional behaviour by the sailors, this was the norm and has been and is still happening for years and years. I am sure it is replicated in many ports all over the world. So if you are condemning Drew, you are pretty much condemning over 50 percent of Sailors and god knows who else. Then you have rock stars/pop stars who routinely bed girls underage. I'm not saying the above behaviour is right, i'm saying it is not exceptional and i'm not victim accusing, but a lot of girls willingly and proactively put themselves in these situations. That is unfortunately a fact. I remember being at school (15 years old) and 5 or 6 of the popular girls boasting to everyone how they all got f***ed by sailors on the weekend. The world is not black and white, like the law. I'm not sure what you are saying here. Kids will be kids and want to experience prohibited experiences. To me this seems to be a major failure, or a deliberate oversite, in the training of sailors of all ages about how they should comport themselves when overseas. |
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Post by Mk20SSR on Aug 15, 2020 3:33:42 GMT -5
Look i am not of course excusing Drew, i've said before he deserves some punishment, but i just want to put a few things in perspective. I used to live in Australia. US Sailors would dock in port now and then. Schoolgirls aged 13/14 through to 17 would dress up and go down to the port town to hang out and yes there were going there to be picked up. US sailors would talk to these girls (knowing they were underage), take them to hotels/motels for sex. Not talking about one or two cases, many hundred a visit. This was not exceptional behaviour by the sailors, this was the norm and has been and is still happening for years and years. I am sure it is replicated in many ports all over the world. So if you are condemning Drew, you are pretty much condemning over 50 percent of Sailors and god knows who else. Then you have rock stars/pop stars who routinely bed girls underage. I'm not saying the above behaviour is right, i'm saying it is not exceptional and i'm not victim accusing, but a lot of girls willingly and proactively put themselves in these situations. That is unfortunately a fact. I remember being at school (15 years old) and 5 or 6 of the popular girls boasting to everyone how they all got f***ed by sailors on the weekend. The world is not black and white, like the law. If you have break the law, you must face the music. I don't give a fk about sailors or any individual having underage sexual intercourse because a crime is a crime. It does not matter who you are. Some comments directed to you already shows that you are ignorant about how females feel about having sex. To each of her own. Just because you have presumed that 15 years old girls like having sexual intercourse with men does not goes the same with others. The girls may need psychological help regardless of their perspective on underage sex. So please, DON'T PRESUME. YOU DO NOT KNOW what others went through. |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 15, 2020 8:38:10 GMT -5
Synthesizing all the thoughts, A LOT has been done in the past that now FINALLY is being reported. Only now people are starting to understand that this isn't right. Regardless of gender or sexual orientation. Pedophilia is wrong. Full stop. The only reason why higher profile people get defenders is because they can't fathom that the person they put on a pedestal could do that. They may also question themselves especially if they lost their virginity while underage. So many of these are not reported. I don't think people really understand that. The vitriol thrown towards a victim (doesn't matter who it is) is breathtaking. How many don't because their entire life is now on full display. The actions he/she took that the law will deem you immature to understand the ramifications. The justification, excuses and whatnot by the predator in saying that he/she wanted it or was complicit or they couldn't help themselves. The public scorn, ridicule, disbelief, anger, despondency over the allegation are usually the first thing that stops a victim from coming forward.
Long have we had case after case of "this person did this 20 years ago" and immediately their case is dismissed because it's out of statute of limitations. This isn't it. It JUST HAPPENED. There's a video and photo because Drew created it. The Victim DIDN'T. I applaud the mother in this case because she did what she could. She's now trying to comfort a suicidal daughter who is devastated. Her life will never be the same. But her filing a report with the local police is IMPORTANT. It gives the signal to others who have gone through the same that it is okay to say it wasn't okay. Not just for Drew, but ANYONE who was abused by an adult. Somewhere in NJ is a girl trying to begin her life as a scarred adult and somewhere in FL is another girl who's entire life was turned upside down. BOTH because the actions of an "adult" who abused his position. I hope the victims that are sitting in silence don't see the last few pages and have them go back to silence. It's disgusting frankly.
The law has to be black and white. Justice is blindfolded and dealt out evenly for us to believe in it. In the past that hasn't been the case. Now we HOPE it is the case. R Kelly is still in the midst of his trial. Drew is trying to get out of his.
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Post by gamer2k4 on Aug 15, 2020 8:55:53 GMT -5
I do wonder if ANW will do something in the future in terms of revoking his title of grand champion for such an act...? I hope they don't. Even if he's guilty, he still won fair and square. Acting like he didn't win just because he's a scumbag (if the charges are upheld) is dishonest and pointless. ANW Nation posted a statement from NBC Universal. The show will cut all ties with Drew and he will not appear in any future shows. Some ninjas have liked or reacted to the post on Instagram, but I imagine many are already aware. It goes to show how Drew's actions have costed him his family, friends and career. Quite a shame. Oof. Can they wait until he's actually found guilty first? |
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Aug 15, 2020 11:25:25 GMT -5
I do wonder if ANW will do something in the future in terms of revoking his title of grand champion for such an act...? I hope they don't. Even if he's guilty, he still won fair and square. Acting like he didn't win just because he's a scumbag (if the charges are upheld) is dishonest and pointless. ANW Nation posted a statement from NBC Universal. The show will cut all ties with Drew and he will not appear in any future shows. Some ninjas have liked or reacted to the post on Instagram, but I imagine many are already aware. It goes to show how Drew's actions have costed him his family, friends and career. Quite a shame. Oof. Can they wait until he's actually found guilty first?But like, no. |
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Aug 15, 2020 11:29:51 GMT -5
When someone is that popular it can be tough to go against them. It's why you see a lot of people hiding come out after the first public incident. Yea, I complete despise the whole "celebrity card" excuse for their ruthless actions, whereas die-hard fans will do or say anything shallow-minded to defend their idols. Luckily, as far as I'm aware, I've seen more Drew fans actually disgusted than being white knights. Yeah even his previous friends have distanced themselves from him at this point. Everybody seems to be taking this very seriously thankfully (except for Brent, no surprises there). I expect we may see something in the upcoming season of ANW regarding all of this, seems like too much noise for them not to speak out and try to raise awareness during this. |
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Post by crimson on Aug 15, 2020 14:15:03 GMT -5
I do wonder if ANW will do something in the future in terms of revoking his title of grand champion for such an act...? I hope they don't. Even if he's guilty, he still won fair and square. Acting like he didn't win just because he's a scumbag (if the charges are upheld) is dishonest and pointless. ANW Nation posted a statement from NBC Universal. The show will cut all ties with Drew and he will not appear in any future shows. Some ninjas have liked or reacted to the post on Instagram, but I imagine many are already aware. It goes to show how Drew's actions have costed him his family, friends and career. Quite a shame. Oof. Can they wait until he's actually found guilty first? Drew is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the court and the law. However, this should not and does not apply to public discourse. People are free to discuss and have their own judgement based on the facts available. It would be foolish to continue to align with Drew given the facts available. I'm glad to see so many ninjas denouncing Drew's actions. |
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Post by hydra48 on Aug 15, 2020 16:17:00 GMT -5
I do wonder if ANW will do something in the future in terms of revoking his title of grand champion for such an act...? I hope they don't. Even if he's guilty, he still won fair and square. Acting like he didn't win just because he's a scumbag (if the charges are upheld) is dishonest and pointless. ANW Nation posted a statement from NBC Universal. The show will cut all ties with Drew and he will not appear in any future shows. Some ninjas have liked or reacted to the post on Instagram, but I imagine many are already aware. It goes to show how Drew's actions have costed him his family, friends and career. Quite a shame. Oof. Can they wait until he's actually found guilty first? If NBC were to wait until he's actually found guilty, that would involve them including him in ANW 12. And if he ends up being guilty, then it would make NBC look so much more worse. |
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Post by tyler on Aug 15, 2020 17:41:06 GMT -5
I do wonder if ANW will do something in the future in terms of revoking his title of grand champion for such an act...? I hope they don't. Even if he's guilty, he still won fair and square. Acting like he didn't win just because he's a scumbag (if the charges are upheld) is dishonest and pointless. ANW Nation posted a statement from NBC Universal. The show will cut all ties with Drew and he will not appear in any future shows. Some ninjas have liked or reacted to the post on Instagram, but I imagine many are already aware. It goes to show how Drew's actions have costed him his family, friends and career. Quite a shame. Oof. Can they wait until he's actually found guilty first? The evidence is incredibly damning. I don't know how he isn't guilty with the evidence he has against him. As far as I can think, there's zero argument against the porn charge. Obviously he should have his day in court and I would apologize to him if it turns out he's somehow innocent. But that's not going to happen. It seems it was known to him that he had porn of a 16 year old girl while he was at least 26 at the time. This isn't just some accusation (accusations should be investigated seriously but I could understand the whole don't rush to judgement) , there's evidence on his phone. I will agree that he still is a winner in a historical context. But they never need to mention that fact ever again. They rarely mention Isaac's or Geoff's accomplishments unless they are there themselves anyways. Drew's never coming back. Yes he did win but there's zero reason to focus on that point. |
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Aug 15, 2020 21:38:25 GMT -5
Look i am not of course excusing Drew, i've said before he deserves some punishment, but i just want to put a few things in perspective. I used to live in Australia. US Sailors would dock in port now and then. Schoolgirls aged 13/14 through to 17 would dress up and go down to the port town to hang out and yes there were going there to be picked up. US sailors would talk to these girls (knowing they were underage), take them to hotels/motels for sex. Not talking about one or two cases, many hundred a visit. This was not exceptional behaviour by the sailors, this was the norm and has been and is still happening for years and years. I am sure it is replicated in many ports all over the world. So if you are condemning Drew, you are pretty much condemning over 50 percent of Sailors and god knows who else. Then you have rock stars/pop stars who routinely bed girls underage. I'm not saying the above behaviour is right, i'm saying it is not exceptional and i'm not victim accusing, but a lot of girls willingly and proactively put themselves in these situations. That is unfortunately a fact. I remember being at school (15 years old) and 5 or 6 of the popular girls boasting to everyone how they all got f***ed by sailors on the weekend. The world is not black and white, like the law. You mentioned the rock stars/pop stars part. I wonder if Drew Drechsel was involved with Jeffery Epstein in any sort of way. This could be the start of something bigger in terms of how far the rabbit hole goes down. Please stop lol |
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Post by thebobmaster on Aug 16, 2020 2:00:15 GMT -5
I'm just hearing about this for the first time, and I'm stunned. Drew was always THE American Ninja Warrior for me. He seemed like such a nice guy, talented without the ego of Isaac Caldiero. This is just...unforgivable. I will never convict someone based on an accusation, as that is a hole that I've fallen into in the past. The evidence that has been shown, though, is...I don't see how it could be argued that he did what he's been accused of.
At this point, the argument isn't "Did Drew do these things", but "Was it wrong for Drew to do these things?" While I respect different opinions as best as I can, I cannot really see a good argument to be made for "no" being an answer to that question. When rock stars sleep with underage groupies, it's bad. When sailors pick up underage girls (IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE UNDERAGE), it's bad. Age of consent laws exist for a reason.
Man, I hope at this point Daniel Gil can train up his rope skills and win. We need a winner to look up to. I'd also accept Geoff, but I wouldn't blame him if this turns him off of ANW once and for all. I respected Drew as a competitor and a person, but there are things that you cannot ignore, and this is one of them.
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Post by SasukeBanzukeNo1 (Moon12) on Aug 16, 2020 5:32:53 GMT -5
I'm just hearing about this for the first time, and I'm stunned. Drew was always THE American Ninja Warrior for me. He seemed like such a nice guy, talented without the ego of Isaac Caldiero. This is just...unforgivable. I will never convict someone based on an accusation, as that is a hole that I've fallen into in the past. The evidence that has been shown, though, is...I don't see how it could be argued that he did what he's been accused of. At this point, the argument isn't "Did Drew do these things", but "Was it wrong for Drew to do these things?" While I respect different opinions as best as I can, I cannot really see a good argument to be made for "no" being an answer to that question. When rock stars sleep with underage groupies, it's bad. When sailors pick up underage girls (IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE UNDERAGE), it's bad. Age of consent laws exist for a reason. Man, I hope at this point Daniel Gil can train up his rope skills and win. We need a winner to look up to. I'd also accept Geoff, but I wouldn't blame him if this turns him off of ANW once and for all. I respected Drew as a competitor and a person, but there are things that you cannot ignore, and this is one of them. Yea, first Isaac, now Drew. All we have now to look up to as a champion is Geoff, and he might resign soon if not now. I now really wish Joe Moravsky would make it to the final stage and win it all. He not only deserves it, but he's such a humble guy to admire. |
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Aug 16, 2020 12:26:38 GMT -5
I'm just hearing about this for the first time, and I'm stunned. Drew was always THE American Ninja Warrior for me. He seemed like such a nice guy, talented without the ego of Isaac Caldiero. This is just...unforgivable. I will never convict someone based on an accusation, as that is a hole that I've fallen into in the past. The evidence that has been shown, though, is...I don't see how it could be argued that he did what he's been accused of. At this point, the argument isn't "Did Drew do these things", but "Was it wrong for Drew to do these things?" While I respect different opinions as best as I can, I cannot really see a good argument to be made for "no" being an answer to that question. When rock stars sleep with underage groupies, it's bad. When sailors pick up underage girls (IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE UNDERAGE), it's bad. Age of consent laws exist for a reason. Man, I hope at this point Daniel Gil can train up his rope skills and win. We need a winner to look up to. I'd also accept Geoff, but I wouldn't blame him if this turns him off of ANW once and for all. I respected Drew as a competitor and a person, but there are things that you cannot ignore, and this is one of them. Wish I could say this is true lol |
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Post by YGK on Aug 16, 2020 17:11:12 GMT -5
I was watching Drew's sasuke 34 third stage run (it's still up on the TBS Facebook page) and the announcer was commenting about Drew getting bullied back in school and later taking up sports and protecting others .
Ironic considering the news and what we know now...
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Post by tyler on Aug 16, 2020 17:13:54 GMT -5
After how Drew turned out, I'd embrace Isaac like crazy. So what if he had some ego. He seemed to sort things out somewhat with the ninja community. I'd take a bit of ego over a child predator every time.
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Post by thebobmaster on Aug 16, 2020 17:35:20 GMT -5
I'm just hearing about this for the first time, and I'm stunned. Drew was always THE American Ninja Warrior for me. He seemed like such a nice guy, talented without the ego of Isaac Caldiero. This is just...unforgivable. I will never convict someone based on an accusation, as that is a hole that I've fallen into in the past. The evidence that has been shown, though, is...I don't see how it could be argued that he did what he's been accused of. At this point, the argument isn't "Did Drew do these things", but "Was it wrong for Drew to do these things?" While I respect different opinions as best as I can, I cannot really see a good argument to be made for "no" being an answer to that question. When rock stars sleep with underage groupies, it's bad. When sailors pick up underage girls (IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE UNDERAGE), it's bad. Age of consent laws exist for a reason. Man, I hope at this point Daniel Gil can train up his rope skills and win. We need a winner to look up to. I'd also accept Geoff, but I wouldn't blame him if this turns him off of ANW once and for all. I respected Drew as a competitor and a person, but there are things that you cannot ignore, and this is one of them. Wish I could say this is true lol It may well not be. I'm just saying that that is the impression I always got watching Drew Dreschel on TV. If others who actually know him say differently, then I cannot argue with that. I can only comment on my own feelings watching him, only to have THIS happen. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 16, 2020 18:13:19 GMT -5
I was watching Drew's sasuke 34 third stage run (it's still up on the TBS Facebook page) and the announcer was commenting about Drew getting bullied back in school and later taking up sports and protecting others . Ironic considering the news and what we know now... Interesting point. No excuses for what he did but bad childhood experiences like these might've led to seeking revenge in the future. Add fame and power to that and you get this. Nothing good comes out of it and he just hurt a lot of people and himself. |
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Post by YGK on Aug 16, 2020 19:56:00 GMT -5
I was watching Drew's sasuke 34 third stage run (it's still up on the TBS Facebook page) and the announcer was commenting about Drew getting bullied back in school and later taking up sports and protecting others . Ironic considering the news and what we know now... Interesting point. No excuses for what he did but bad childhood experiences like these might've led to seeking revenge in the future. Add fame and power to that and you get this. Nothing good comes out of it and he just hurt a lot of people and himself. Yup definitely agree that it doesn't excuse what he's done. Two wrongs don't make a right. Flip had traumatic experiences in his childhood and he's not doing anything like what Drew did. (for me Flip's most controversial moment was showboating in Sasuke 27 - but obviously that's trivial compared to the Drew's situation) |
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Post by subtleagent on Aug 16, 2020 23:54:05 GMT -5
I was watching Drew's sasuke 34 third stage run (it's still up on the TBS Facebook page) and the announcer was commenting about Drew getting bullied back in school and later taking up sports and protecting others . Ironic considering the news and what we know now... Interesting point. No excuses for what he did but bad childhood experiences like these might've led to seeking revenge in the future. Add fame and power to that and you get this. Nothing good comes out of it and he just hurt a lot of people and himself. Yeah look at what Flip went through, wouldn't excuse him if he did it. Thankfully unlike Brent he's not burying his head in the sand or minimizing the victim. I do feel bad for him though, honestly seeing him talk about how he looked up to Drew on his insta broke my heart. I was eh on Flip at first, but he really grew on me. |
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