Competitions that got too much/not enough hate

[tns8597]

What competitions do you think got too much hate for what they were? Similarly, which tournaments do you think didn't get enough criticism?

For me, the ones that didn't get enough hate:
- SASUKE 26: by far the worst tournament in my opinion (yes, even worse than 28 and 32). After only recently discovering SASUKE and seeing how awesome 25 was, I was super disappointed. Too many fast forwards, too many similar obstacles, the fact that majority of the results were spoiled (because the Americans, who made up the vast majority of the Second and Third Stage, got their runs shown early). Also, how they completely disregarded the running order, which I get was for suspense, but it doesn't help when you can literally see their bibs.
- SASUKE 27: I don't think this is a bad tournament at all, but it's definitely overrated due to the presence of a Total Victory. This is on my list because of how, once again, they fast forwarded almost everyone (but this is more acceptable because there were 27 clears), but on that topic; they completely tanked the difficulty of the course which I think sucked; like replacing the Roulette Cylinder/Doorknob Grasper with the Arm Bike? Come on.
- SASUKE 9: it's just one of those tournaments where absolutely nothing happened. There was no drama (except for Nagano's breakout, but even he failed Stage 3), nothing of interest obstacles-wise except the Cliffhanger update which was cleared by the first person to attempt it anyway, and the tournament ended on Shingo failing the first obstacle of the stage. Super boring to watch.

Ones that got too much hate:
- SASUKE 19: Obviously this tournament is hated because of the poor results, but I think it was interesting to see how the top competitors of the era coped with such a hard tournament, filled with modifications that no one could train for; it was a real test of pure athleticism and endurance imo; and to be honest, the results were just bad luck. Nagano and Nagasaki could've cleared if it wasn't for slip-ups on the Flying Chute, and a few others came close on the Rope Ladder, so the fact that there was no Stage 3 was just due to luck of the draw. I still find this tournament interesting due to what is probably the hardest Stage 1 ever (arguably even harder than the RISING era).
- SASUKE 16: People call this tournament boring, but I think there were worse tournaments in this era. We got several new faces clearing Stage 1, the Metal Spin turned into the nemesis it remained for several tournaments to come, we got Kong's return, and I reckon had Bunpei cleared Stage 3 people would be raving way more about this comp.
- SASUKE 33: Obviously Stage 3 was completely f***ing uncalled for, but it was interesting to see new faces clear Stage 1, and some old veterans get caught up on the updated course. Also, after a super underwhelming Stage 2 in 32, they hit the nail on the head with this one; for the first time in years, Stage 2 seemed to morph back into what it was before; a pure race against time. You could tell that everyone was wrecking themselves to finish; defo my favourite part of that tournament.

I've written this all out of severe boredom, so please discuss and let me know what you think.

[tns8597]

Also controversially, I think SASUKE 36 is overhyped, partially because a near-Kanzen was definitely expected, and there were literally no new course changes. I just don't think that good results alone justifies the praise. Also, Morimoto once again being the only competitor to reach the Final was kinda boring. Would've much preferred to see Yuuji or Ryo take on the stage and see how their comebacks extended to the final climb.

[ChiBiJKT48]

Too much hate: SASUKE 19. Yes, it was a very bad tournament in term of results, only two people clear First Stage, the lowest in history. But the first time I see it, even if I know the result already, I'm still dreaming that I can see something different. The adrenaline in you is rising high, hoping that at least miracle will happen *of course it won't*, maybe probably more will touch that damn red button.

Not enough hate: SASUKE 25. Seriously, drawn the numbers by lottery? Even in SASUKE 18, when the one who wore #100 had very bad performance *third worst performance by #100 in SASUKE*, at least most people with common sense who know they won't do good will pick low numbers *although side note, Nagano should be given that original #50s number, if that happen, I reckon more people will clear First Stage*. But this tournament is just mess. Last ten numbers, two of them was being cut, and four of them fail the first obstacle. Forcing Akiyama *I appreciate their intention with giving Akiyama #98* to run at night with those jumping and grabbing obstacles? Wow.... It's a miracle he even can make it to Soritatsu Kabe. No wonder this tournament had the lowest rating in history, even though there's double-digit clears in First Stage.

[tns8597]

I think the poor rating of 25 was due to the fact that it was the third tournament in the space of 6 months. I thought it was an awesome tournament mostly; Stage 1 brought back some old classics which I would defo welcome at some point in the future. Stage 2 was slightly underwhelming because there weren't that many course changes, except for the Double Salmon Ladder and Slider Drop. Stage 3 was definitely one of my favourites; it was so brutal and definitely a needed bump in difficulty after 5 clears in 24.

I agree the lotteries were kind of dumb, but I don't think it's worth hating on the whole tournament over. Just my opinion though.

[Messup434]

Why do people dislike 16 and 32? 16 was a fun tournament with several new one-off obstacles to view. They weren't the best, but they were unique for sure. 32 was just a great live-viewing experience, being one of my only liveviewed tournaments and having some interesting results. Despite it having a lot of the same old obstacles for being a renewal tournament, the results made it rather enjoyable to watch.

[tns8597]

16 people hated on because of the lack of progress; I thought the First Stage obstacles were some of the most forgettable like the Reverse Fly etc., but seeing new faces clear Stage 1 and some breakout runs like Koji Yamada were pretty interesting to watch.

32 I think wasn't as bad as people say it was, but the editing was terrible and I'm never too happy about fast forwarding notable competitors (think SHINGO and TAKEDA got fast-forwarded) in favour of celebrities who tend to underperform and no one outside the general audience actually cares about. There were lots of issues with 32's set-up, like having to push the last 7 runs to the next day, resulting in an underwhelming and massively rushed Stage 2, all of which about 10 minutes was shown. Stage 3 I thought had an interesting revamp, but Ragivaru and Tomohiro's runs were plagued by the rain, which shouldn't have happened because it's so easy to just put a canopy on the course.

[m4tt3r0x]

29-37 are such a blur that they're not even worth hating for me. 28 was more memorable but just as forgettable at the same time some how.
26 and 27 weren't too great for me but it doesn't seem like anyone really disagrees.
25 I thought was an amazing tournament and was under appreciated.
23 and 24 are well deserving of their love.
18-22 was such a brutal era but the pure novelty of it made up for it.
1-17 are also a blur for me because I watched them all on G4 and always got the results mixed up, so no comment

[Rafas]

why do people hate 29? it has every obstacle attempted, and the hedgehog is cool. I feel like people don't like tournaments after kanzen renewals because the results are never groundbreaking and not many new obstacles are ever introduced. 16, 19, and 12 are also underated.

[GlobalNinjaFan]

Jun 16, 2020 14:06:20 GMT -5 Messup434 said:

Why do people dislike 16 and 32? 16 was a fun tournament with several new one-off obstacles to view. They weren't the best, but they were unique for sure. 32 was just a great live-viewing experience, being one of my only liveviewed tournaments and having some interesting results. Despite it having a lot of the same old obstacles for being a renewal tournament, the results made it rather enjoyable to watch.

People dislike 32 because, like you said, it's pretty much the most underwhelming course renewal in the show's history. On top of that, there was no Morimoto, rain was a big issue (they should've tarped Stage 3 at the very least), and they completely botched Nagano's retirement. They rushed through it, giving it barely any gravity or weight, moved the ceremony to the credits, and then rushed into Stage 2... which was incredibly underwhelming in its own right.

32 was bad on literally every level. Stages 1/3 were badly harmed by the rain, Stage 2 was samey, quick and pointless, and the two things that could've made the tournament stand out: the renewal and Nagano's retirement, were watered down beyond belief.

[LusitaniaAngel313]

Overhated: 25 and 29. I don't hate them as I saw new and old stars return. 29 had Hioki's first clear and 25 was his first performance oddly enough. Oh and Shingo cleared on both occasions. That helps. 16 is also here while I don't really like it myself, it was also the first tournament I ever saw so it has that going for it.

Underhated: 26, 28, and 32. 26 was a hot mess pure and simple, 28 literally forced people to retire (the all stars) which was a horrible idea, and 32 watered down so much and the course got soaked. Nagano deserved better. Also Takeda and Shingo getting digested.

[tns8597]

I didn't include 28 or 32 in my list because I feel like they got a lot of hate but it was all justified. 28 was just awful in every possible way: lack of high-profile competitors which is why we only got 5 clears (the actual course was barely harder than 27), that dumb box lady, the dinner event where clearly no one wanted to be there (that was painful to watch), and of course trying to retire the All-Stars when Nagano made the Third Stage LITERALLY the tournament before. 32 as I said was just an organisational mess.

29 I agree was slightly overhated because it was an extension of 28 which was obviously s**t for the above reasons, but I think two reasons really let it down: Stage 2 - testing the backstream on competitors' runs was just unfair, isn't that what testers are for? Also, having that stupid rule where only one person can advance to the final stage; obvs no one did, but that sort of detracts from the point of the competition; it's not USA vs. the World, it's SASUKE!

[tns8597]

Jun 17, 2020 0:06:55 GMT -5 Rafas said:

why do people hate 29? it has every obstacle attempted, and the hedgehog is cool. I feel like people don't like tournaments after kanzen renewals because the results are never groundbreaking and not many new obstacles are ever introduced. 16, 19, and 12 are also underated.

But I also agree with this point too; I feel like everyone expects a SASUKE 18 scenario after a Total Victory. I think that would be incredible after the next one, but budgets are often the main limiting factor here. Still, it would be nice to bring back some harder versions of old obstacles, or *sacrilege* take some inspiration from ANW: you have to concede that some of their obstacles are just plain f***ing cool

[ChiBiJKT48]

If Mr. Inui had budgets to do his ideas, I'm sure we can see better SASUKE.

[tns8597]

Yeah for sure, I heard somewhere that SASUKE 32 had a quarter of the budget of 31, though that still doesn't excuse all the issues that occurred