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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Nov 27, 2018 0:02:04 GMT -5
So I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I'm just going to list a few things about Total Victories and "Total Victories" that happened in the past of Sasuke/Ninja Warrior worldwide. Spoilers if you haven't seen anything in the last 5-10 years LOL: There have been 3 times in Sasuke history multiple people beat Stage 4: ANW7, Kunoichi 8, and Sasuke Vietnam 2. In ANW and Sasuke Vietnam, both Isaac Caldiero and Le Van Thuc were recognized as the Grand Champions for their respective seasons. However, Kunoichi recognized both women who completed the Final Stage as Champions. It's interesting to see how the rules vary between different countries and different eras of the show's life. Another thing I noticed happened a little more recently in a Ninja Warrior Germany Special: Grant McCartney was sent to Ninja Warrior Germany for the Celebrity Special for charity. It was a 3 stage course, and Grant completed all the stages. Isaac Caldiero also accomplished the same feat the year before. By this logic, both COULD be considered as Champions, and Caldiero would be the first person to win in 2 different countries. I don't know if you should count what's mentioned in the spoiler as a Total Victory. So what is a Total Victory to you personally? Which set of rules do you like the best? For me, you could fail the qualifiers, beat Stage 4, and you should still be considered a Champion. Being the champ to me is beating Stages 1-4, and if they do that, then in my book they deserve the prize money and the title. In specials, I think it depends on the format. I don't count specials that are only 3 stages because it's not all 4 stages. The International competitions typically don't count because they pick 1 person per stage. I would, however, count the International competition in Indonesia for the following reasons:
1. All the competitors took on all the stages until they failed.
2. The course was made harder to avoid accusations of bias towards the home country.
I know this topic has been discussed heavily before, but I think a thread dedicated to this will allow us all to share our opinions. Feel free to sound off! |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Nov 27, 2018 14:14:25 GMT -5
For me, Total Victory will always be what it means in Sasuke:
Simply clearing all stages within the time limits set, without falling or being disqualified.
It's that simple. The "grand champion" and prize money situation is completely seperate: even in ANW 7, two total victories undeniably took place.
As for ANW's qualifiers, those are also completely irrelevant to Total Victory, as they are a completely separate event to the finals.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Nov 27, 2018 16:11:30 GMT -5
Considering I've really only seen SASUKE and ANW It's exactly what's written in the "book". Just beat all 4 stages without getting DQed getting there. Geoff and Isaac are BOTH champions and BOTH have obtained Total Victory. Akiyama did it, Nagano too, Yuuji twice, and Yusuke 1 time but expected to do more. I get Geoff just isn't given the recognition of such since he was slower but thanks to the situation that transpired, all competitors who achieve the honor are given their dues. I do hope more total victories will be accomplished soon for both SASUKE and ANW.
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Post by TCM on Nov 27, 2018 18:09:00 GMT -5
What happened in the Germany Special would not count because it was a special with modified rules and courses than what was used during the official season. David Campbell can be considered a Grand Champion, but not the top winner of the celebrity special. If they beat the finals of an official season, they're a Grand Champion, regardless of how many stages it has.
You wouldn't call anyone who got up the tower in vs. The World a Grand Champion unless they already were. ANW doesn't even acknowledge the success of any of its competitors in other international competitions anyways.
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Dec 3, 2018 21:57:14 GMT -5
What happened in the Germany Special would not count because it was a special with modified rules and courses than what was used during the official season. David Campbell can be considered a Grand Champion, but not the top winner of the celebrity special. If they beat the finals of an official season, they're a Grand Champion, regardless of how many stages it has. You wouldn't call anyone who got up the tower in vs. The World a Grand Champion unless they already were. ANW doesn't even acknowledge the success of any of its competitors in other international competitions anyways. Practice changes everything. Specials should never count, with given practice. |
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Dec 4, 2018 1:21:24 GMT -5
What happened in the Germany Special would not count because it was a special with modified rules and courses than what was used during the official season. David Campbell can be considered a Grand Champion, but not the top winner of the celebrity special. If they beat the finals of an official season, they're a Grand Champion, regardless of how many stages it has. You wouldn't call anyone who got up the tower in vs. The World a Grand Champion unless they already were. ANW doesn't even acknowledge the success of any of its competitors in other international competitions anyways. Practice changes everything. Specials should never count, with given practice. Let's talk Indonesia then. The format of their international competition was basically just a regular Sasuke tournament. What if someone had won that? |
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Post by TCM on Dec 4, 2018 12:47:01 GMT -5
What happened in the Germany Special would not count because it was a special with modified rules and courses than what was used during the official season. David Campbell can be considered a Grand Champion, but not the top winner of the celebrity special. If they beat the finals of an official season, they're a Grand Champion, regardless of how many stages it has. You wouldn't call anyone who got up the tower in vs. The World a Grand Champion unless they already were. ANW doesn't even acknowledge the success of any of its competitors in other international competitions anyways. Practice changes everything. Specials should never count, with given practice. I agree, only the official season should count. David was in both Vietnam 2 and the vs. The World special and it was during the main season he won. |
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Post by DeAndre on Dec 6, 2018 7:35:46 GMT -5
Practice changes everything. Specials should never count, with given practice. Let's talk Indonesia then. The format of their international competition was basically just a regular Sasuke tournament. What if someone had won that? fair enough, but only if the competitors had not gotten practice, as Indonesia was essentially the same as their regular tournament. regardless no one won though because of the stupid frickin flying bar |
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