Ninja Challenge League [Season 2]

[tsukuyomi]

Hi everyone,

As some of you know, we held a massive Ninja competition in Australia last weekend with some of the best ninjas in Australia and the world.

82 Australians and 11 international wildcards from six different countries including Jake Murray, Mat Redho, Jon Alexis Jr and Perry Oosterlee.

We livestreamed the whole thing on our YouTube Channel - we hope you enjoy it!

Day One:
Day Two:

Thanks.

[RiderLeangle]

Care to explain the ruling on Nick Patel? He was already mostly past the tape so the obstacle was completed (ignoring the fact tape lines like that are against NNL rules) and he was at a point where he couldn't roll it further, which might have also put him in a Lose/Lose situation if he got DQ'd for not being over the tape because the very back of the dice was on top of the tape. Even the official shows allow a little bit of a slide at the end of the track despite their non sliding rules (Before my credibility is brought into question, I did test ANW5 Baltimore and competed in ANW6 St Louis, both regions had the Rumbling Dice, so I have heard the official rules on the obstacle). I can't help but feel that arbitrary disqualification despite completing the obstacle is a disgrace to the sport.

[Messup434]

Nov 7, 2018 23:22:37 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

Care to explain the ruling on Nick Patel? He was already mostly past the tape so the obstacle was completed (ignoring the fact tape lines like that are against NNL rules) and he was at a point where he couldn't roll it further, which might have also put him in a Lose/Lose situation if he got DQ'd for not being over the tape because the very back of the dice was on top of the tape. Even the official shows allow a little bit of a slide at the end of the track despite their non sliding rules (Before my credibility is brought into question, I did test ANW5 Baltimore and competed in ANW6 St Louis, both regions had the Rumbling Dice, so I have heard the official rules on the obstacle). I can't help but feel that arbitrary disqualification despite completing the obstacle is a disgrace to the sport.

I haven’t seen anything, but if you fail to get over the tape, I se no reason why it should be considered a clear or in what way that move would be “arbitrary”.

[RiderLeangle]

Nov 8, 2018 13:30:51 GMT -5 Messup434 said:

Nov 7, 2018 23:22:37 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

Care to explain the ruling on Nick Patel? He was already mostly past the tape so the obstacle was completed (ignoring the fact tape lines like that are against NNL rules) and he was at a point where he couldn't roll it further, which might have also put him in a Lose/Lose situation if he got DQ'd for not being over the tape because the very back of the dice was on top of the tape. Even the official shows allow a little bit of a slide at the end of the track despite their non sliding rules (Before my credibility is brought into question, I did test ANW5 Baltimore and competed in ANW6 St Louis, both regions had the Rumbling Dice, so I have heard the official rules on the obstacle). I can't help but feel that arbitrary disqualification despite completing the obstacle is a disgrace to the sport.

I haven’t seen anything, but if you fail to get over the tape, I se no reason why it should be considered a clear or in what way that move would be “arbitrary”.

It's at about 2:59:21 of the 2nd video for the replay (2:56:38 for the original run footage), the issue is he already is over the tape, the only thing behind the tape is the stoppers on the end of the dice, all bars were over the tape, so at that point he completed the obstacle and slid it forward a little bit more to the very end of the track since there was no way to roll it again, considering he was already at the point the obstacle was complete there was no way it should have counted as a DQ

[tsukuyomi]

Happy to explain the Nick ruling.

In order to preserve the integrity of the bars, we had to put tape on them to prevent them getting scratched up, to preserve the tape, we had a strict no sliding rule, which was clearly explained to all competitors.

Regardless of whether he was past the tape or not, sliding the dice brought him closer to the V-Wing, so hardly an arbitrary movement.

Someone asked what would happen if they couldn't make a full turn and we demonstrated that with a little extra force, you could always make a full rotation to get past the tape.

Nick knew this, but said he didn't think he could make a full turn so he deliberately slid it, but the problem Nick faced had already been solved by a previous competitor and all other competitors in similar situations were able to make extra turns from the same position.

If you look at this link right here you'll see a compilation of other competitors in the same situation as Nick.

This wasn't an easy call to make, and it sucks that it happened to an international, who was even crashing at my house that week! But the rules have to be applied to everyone for ninja to grow as a sport - far from this incident being a disgrace, I think the fact that the rules were applied as explained to the athletes regardless of who it happened to is a credit to the integrity of the competition.

The other US competitors agreed the ruling was the same they would have made in the same situation.

Next year we'll be sure to have footage ahead of time of any rules like this being more clearly explained, but this was our first live-stream and things were running a little delayed so we couldn't get everything we wanted done.

[Philip]

Nov 12, 2018 0:43:19 GMT -5 tsukuyomi said:

Happy to explain the Nick ruling.

In order to preserve the integrity of the bars, we had to put tape on them to prevent them getting scratched up, to preserve the tape, we had a strict no sliding rule, which was clearly explained to all competitors.

Regardless of whether he was past the tape or not, sliding the dice brought him closer to the V-Wing, so hardly an arbitrary movement.

Someone asked what would happen if they couldn't make a full turn and we demonstrated that with a little extra force, you could always make a full rotation to get past the tape.

Nick knew this, but said he didn't think he could make a full turn so he deliberately slid it, but the problem Nick faced had already been solved by a previous competitor and all other competitors in similar situations were able to make extra turns from the same position.

If you look at this link right here you'll see a compilation of other competitors in the same situation as Nick.

This wasn't an easy call to make, and it sucks that it happened to an international, who was even crashing at my house that week! But the rules have to be applied to everyone for ninja to grow as a sport - far from this incident being a disgrace, I think the fact that the rules were applied as explained to the athletes regardless of who it happened to is a credit to the integrity of the competition.

The other US competitors agreed the ruling was the same they would have made in the same situation.

Next year we'll be sure to have footage ahead of time of any rules like this being more clearly explained, but this was our first live-stream and things were running a little delayed so we couldn't get everything we wanted done.

Thanks for the explanation. I am sure it was a difficult call. And yeah you are right, you were consistent with rulings the whole time. I apologize for my tirade in the Youtube comments during the whole fiasco, because it was 2am and I was tired and a bit mad lol.