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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Oct 15, 2018 17:17:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that.After the first USA vs the world, Ryo made it to the final in the tournament after.In Anw 6 he cleared the demanding third stage, the primary reason he failed on 31 was mental rather than physical, the Tackle was designed specifically to crush him, he had zero way of predicting or training for it.For SASUKE 32, He did really fell, it was the fact the tackle had such a major modification in weight the he failed, he even managed in the end to make it up the wall.After that, he didn't compete in anymore VS contests and in 33 and 34, thats when mentally he checked out. If anything you could argue ANW was motivation for him. I did say ANW was the motivating factor.. not sure where you read otherwise. In a tournament you have to get through the whole 4 stage course. Remember how badly he did in the 1st stage in ANW. As for where I got this, I'm just going by what Yuuji told me about the experience as it was a topic I brought up in regards to the Shin Sedai and why I specifically didn't bond with them. Can I ask what it was about the New-Stars overall that pushed you away from them aside from Yuuji? You got on with him, but never bonded with Ryo, Kanno, Asa etc...? Was it a generational thing, because you seemed quite close with the All-Stars. |
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Post by YGK on Oct 16, 2018 5:36:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't bounce back. The way his (lack of) training is going it seems he's been running sasuke on what he has left rather than hioki, yusuke, yuuji (to some extent) and the others trying to build up skills / strength / stamina to prepare for what the course will throw at them. Skill-set wise, ryo kind of reminds me of nba player roy hibbert. Both with a very coveted skill (ryo a third stage specialist, hibbert a shot blocker) but because they were unable/unwilling to develop other areas they're struggling to survive in their respective tournaments. There's people who can do what they do and some more (immediately morimoto comes to mind). (If anyone's interested there's an article on roy hibbert, i see a lot of parallels with ryo fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nba-abandoned-roy-hibbert/) |
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Post by sasukefinland on Oct 16, 2018 7:56:56 GMT -5
More squats and less smoking.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 16, 2018 8:55:27 GMT -5
I did say ANW was the motivating factor.. not sure where you read otherwise. In a tournament you have to get through the whole 4 stage course. Remember how badly he did in the 1st stage in ANW. As for where I got this, I'm just going by what Yuuji told me about the experience as it was a topic I brought up in regards to the Shin Sedai and why I specifically didn't bond with them. Can I ask what it was about the New-Stars overall that pushed you away from them aside from Yuuji? You got on with him, but never bonded with Ryo, Kanno, Asa etc...? Was it a generational thing, because you seemed quite close with the All-Stars. I can't relate to anyone who is pretty much coasting through life living their life around a tv show. At least Yuuji is living his life as a shoe salesman and has a normal life. The rest did odd jobs waiting for their television break. They thought that they would get famous through television and when that didn't happen some of them sorta settled down. Ryo is still the only one living the dream apparently as Kanno and Asa at least got married and have kids and their in-laws took over in making sure they were decent husbands. Hioki was always a family man first and took care of his family right from the get-go and he's the most jovial all around sweetheart out of all of them. The All-Stars kinda fell into fame as a result of their results but they never changed who they were. The new stars tried to emulate the fame part and that always rubbed me the wrong way. I like the old version of Sasuke where the point was to try to be your best since no one is paying you for it.. but the new generation wanted fame out of it.. I guess that's also why I can't stand Yamada.. his family actually disowned him.. so yeah. I guess I am pretty consistent about it after all.  Yuuji is sorta the bridge between the 2 worlds and I've always had a soft spot for him. He's naturally introverted so it was interesting seeing the transformation of where he is now. He worked damn hard to try to get out of his shell. And for someone pushing 40 that's not easy. |
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Post by YGK on Oct 17, 2018 5:12:51 GMT -5
Can I ask what it was about the New-Stars overall that pushed you away from them aside from Yuuji? You got on with him, but never bonded with Ryo, Kanno, Asa etc...? Was it a generational thing, because you seemed quite close with the All-Stars. I can't relate to anyone who is pretty much coasting through life living their life around a tv show. At least Yuuji is living his life as a shoe salesman and has a normal life. The rest did odd jobs waiting for their television break. They thought that they would get famous through television and when that didn't happen some of them sorta settled down. Ryo is still the only one living the dream apparently as Kanno and Asa at least got married and have kids and their in-laws took over in making sure they were decent husbands. Hioki was always a family man first and took care of his family right from the get-go and he's the most jovial all around sweetheart out of all of them. The All-Stars kinda fell into fame as a result of their results but they never changed who they were. The new stars tried to emulate the fame part and that always rubbed me the wrong way. I like the old version of Sasuke where the point was to try to be your best since no one is paying you for it.. but the new generation wanted fame out of it.. I guess that's also why I can't stand Yamada.. his family actually disowned him.. so yeah. I guess I am pretty consistent about it after all. :D Yuuji is sorta the bridge between the 2 worlds and I've always had a soft spot for him. He's naturally introverted so it was interesting seeing the transformation of where he is now. He worked damn hard to try to get out of his shell. And for someone pushing 40 that's not easy. I'm surprised that you also mentioned Asa in the same category as Kanno, is that to say Asa's job as a tree trimmer was just something he did while waiting for his break on Sasuke, in the same vein as Kanno? While it's clear Asa is a very passionate individual when it comes to SASUKE I find him to be a rather grounded individual. (of course I may be wrong and I'll readily admit I know less about their non-Sasuke lives than others). Like I feel that the starting line proposal was quite a sincere move on his part, and he didn't make it a big deal after the fact. That moment felt emotionally genuine and organic. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 17, 2018 21:25:20 GMT -5
I can't relate to anyone who is pretty much coasting through life living their life around a tv show. At least Yuuji is living his life as a shoe salesman and has a normal life. The rest did odd jobs waiting for their television break. They thought that they would get famous through television and when that didn't happen some of them sorta settled down. Ryo is still the only one living the dream apparently as Kanno and Asa at least got married and have kids and their in-laws took over in making sure they were decent husbands. Hioki was always a family man first and took care of his family right from the get-go and he's the most jovial all around sweetheart out of all of them. The All-Stars kinda fell into fame as a result of their results but they never changed who they were. The new stars tried to emulate the fame part and that always rubbed me the wrong way. I like the old version of Sasuke where the point was to try to be your best since no one is paying you for it.. but the new generation wanted fame out of it.. I guess that's also why I can't stand Yamada.. his family actually disowned him.. so yeah. I guess I am pretty consistent about it after all. Yuuji is sorta the bridge between the 2 worlds and I've always had a soft spot for him. He's naturally introverted so it was interesting seeing the transformation of where he is now. He worked damn hard to try to get out of his shell. And for someone pushing 40 that's not easy. I'm surprised that you also mentioned Asa in the same category as Kanno, is that to say Asa's job as a tree trimmer was just something he did while waiting for his break on Sasuke, in the same vein as Kanno? While it's clear Asa is a very passionate individual when it comes to SASUKE I find him to be a rather grounded individual. (of course I may be wrong and I'll readily admit I know less about their non-Sasuke lives than others). Like I feel that the starting line proposal was quite a sincere move on his part, and he didn't make it a big deal after the fact. That moment felt emotionally genuine and organic. Except the fact that he was legally married for 2 months when he did the proposal.  Asa is a sweetheart. I find him derpy but that's a good thing. I like derpy. Both though had odd jobs here and there though and I know Asa ended up taking a job with his father in law (forget what occupation) once he married. I forget what Kanno is doing but he got his girlfriend pregnant first and life changed once that happened. At least he married her though so that's a good thing. I still don't bond with them anywhere near as much but out of the whole bunch I still prefer Yuuji and Hioki in that order. Asa then a long pause then Kanno and sadly in last place is Ryo. He used to be one of my favorites when he was a kid since I was nostalgic for the Sasuke 21 trials that started my blog career. But out of all of them he's the most cocky and stand offish and those aren't qualities I particular admire in anyone. He only got worse with time. I wish he'd grow out of it but sadly it seems like a character trait like Yamada. /shudder |
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Post by YGK on Oct 17, 2018 22:06:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised that you also mentioned Asa in the same category as Kanno, is that to say Asa's job as a tree trimmer was just something he did while waiting for his break on Sasuke, in the same vein as Kanno? While it's clear Asa is a very passionate individual when it comes to SASUKE I find him to be a rather grounded individual. (of course I may be wrong and I'll readily admit I know less about their non-Sasuke lives than others). Like I feel that the starting line proposal was quite a sincere move on his part, and he didn't make it a big deal after the fact. That moment felt emotionally genuine and organic. Except the fact that he was legally married for 2 months when he did the proposal. (rofl) Asa is a sweetheart. I find him derpy but that's a good thing. I like derpy. Both though had odd jobs here and there though and I know Asa ended up taking a job with his father in law (forget what occupation) once he married. OK i definitely did not know this part. But yea I agree there's something endearing about Asa which makes you want to root for him. Ryo definitely comes off very aloof in his attitude and even if he performed well, this would be something we'd be discussing, almost akin to like a sportsperson being labelled a 'terrible person to be around' or a 'locker room cancer'. I mean Jun has been performing well the past few tournaments but that doesn't stop us from bringing up things like him being detached from the group overall or his first stage clear antics. (Jun seems to have grown up and he didn't bring any unnecessary drama to SASUKE 35) I'm not surprised that since Rto's in this major slump his attitude and character get brought into the conversation and there's discussion about whether his character is impacting his performance. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 18, 2018 15:01:14 GMT -5
Except the fact that he was legally married for 2 months when he did the proposal. Asa is a sweetheart. I find him derpy but that's a good thing. I like derpy. Both though had odd jobs here and there though and I know Asa ended up taking a job with his father in law (forget what occupation) once he married. OK i definitely did not know this part. But yea I agree there's something endearing about Asa which makes you want to root for him. Ryo definitely comes off very aloof in his attitude and even if he performed well, this would be something we'd be discussing, almost akin to like a sportsperson being labelled a 'terrible person to be around' or a 'locker room cancer'. I mean Jun has been performing well the past few tournaments but that doesn't stop us from bringing up things like him being detached from the group overall or his first stage clear antics. (Jun seems to have grown up and he didn't bring any unnecessary drama to SASUKE 35) I'm not surprised that since Rto's in this major slump his attitude and character get brought into the conversation and there's discussion about whether his character is impacting his performance. Interesting discussion about the correlation between Ryo's attitude and his recent performance. That could be said with a lot of people in general (Yuuji AND Nagano come to mind almost immediately). Interesting with Jun because his case is very different. He's almost western in his personality which often clashes with traditional/typical Japanese norms. Even so it also clashes with the cliques that have really come to light in the Rising era. That's the simplest definition of the issues. If there were cliques (which I'm sure there were) during the All-Star era, it seemed as if everyone was allowed to be in the "Sasuke" clique while in the Rising era there were several cliques and if you weren't part of that then you were shunned. I certainly saw that in broad daylight and a few of the All-Stars and I had an open discussion about it. We are definitely in a different era and societal norms are different. I feel like an old fart (I mean I am.. but I digress) but I miss when everyone was equally accepted in Sasuke. Ryo was definitely one of those people who preferred to be in the elite class and treated as such.. until he realized what elite actually means. Now they are desperately trying to appear inclusive ever since they realized they have been a**es for so long. Still very much fake though especially when you see him in person and realize it is all an act. Again, frustrating considering he was one of my favorites. |
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Post by DeAndre on Oct 19, 2018 4:07:44 GMT -5
Ryo used to be a Yusuke until Yusuke did what his young, Stage-3esque superfan twin could not, then Ryo fell into his shadow... this is beginning to sound like a TV show
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Post by arsenette on Oct 19, 2018 13:00:09 GMT -5
Ryo used to be a Yusuke until Yusuke did what his young, Stage-3esque superfan twin could not, then Ryo fell into his shadow... this is beginning to sound like a TV show No. Yuusuke was on the show years before Ryo was a thing. |
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Post by DeAndre on Oct 19, 2018 20:14:39 GMT -5
Ryo used to be a Yusuke until Yusuke did what his young, Stage-3esque superfan twin could not, then Ryo fell into his shadow... this is beginning to sound like a TV show No. Yuusuke was on the show years before Ryo was a thing. Yeah, that is kinda true, but Yusuke only started in 18, Ryo in 21. Both never got past Stage 1 in their first four tournaments so that's what I kinda meant lol |
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Post by TCM on Oct 19, 2018 21:46:04 GMT -5
No. Yuusuke was on the show years before Ryo was a thing. Yeah, that is kinda true, but Yusuke only started in 18, Ryo in 21. Both never got past Stage 1 in their first four tournaments so that's what I kinda meant lol Difference is Ryo got on the show at 19. Yusuke started at 15 and by the time he was 19, he was already on the show five times and had cleared. Sure, Ryo made it to the Final quicker (and even did it twice before Morimoto won), but Yusuke was further along in his career comparing ages. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 19, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that is kinda true, but Yusuke only started in 18, Ryo in 21. Both never got past Stage 1 in their first four tournaments so that's what I kinda meant lol Difference is Ryo got on the show at 19. Yusuke started at 15 and by the time he was 19, he was already on the show five times and had cleared. Sure, Ryo made it to the Final quicker (and even did it twice before Morimoto won), but Yusuke was further along in his career comparing ages. Exactly and Ryo went through Sasuke Trials where Yuusuke didn't. |
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Post by YGK on Oct 20, 2018 7:01:45 GMT -5
I think as it stands now, ryo is easily becoming one of the biggest "what ifs" in sasuke. The more times he fails stage 1 the more his sasuke 30 run looks like a case of being in the right place at the right time. It's honestly a shame because I think he would give us more great stage 3 performances if he made it there.
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Yuuji is sorta the bridge between the 2 worlds and I've always had a soft spot for him. He's naturally introverted so it was interesting seeing the transformation of where he is now. He worked damn hard to try to get out of his shell. And for someone pushing 40 that's not easy.
Asa is a sweetheart. I find him derpy but that's a good thing. I like derpy. Both though had odd jobs here and there though and I know Asa ended up taking a job with his father in law (forget what occupation) once he married. I forget what Kanno is doing but he got his girlfriend pregnant first and life changed once that happened. At least he married her though so that's a good thing. I still don't bond with them anywhere near as much but out of the whole bunch I still prefer Yuuji and Hioki in that order. Asa then a long pause then Kanno and sadly in last place is Ryo. He used to be one of my favorites when he was a kid since I was nostalgic for the Sasuke 21 trials that started my blog career. But out of all of them he's the most cocky and stand offish and those aren't qualities I particular admire in anyone. He only got worse with time. I wish he'd grow out of it but sadly it seems like a character trait like Yamada. /shudder
