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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 6, 2016 17:52:38 GMT -5
Not that the first 3 Seasons were bad but Season 4 started the format we have today. I am curious on your thoughts about this.
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Post by DonalM on Sept 6, 2016 18:45:53 GMT -5
Yep, only 10 Americans attempting Midoriyama shouldn't count statistically.
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Post by SasukeForever on Sept 6, 2016 19:38:49 GMT -5
Obviously in terms of obstacle difficulty, success in Vegas, etc then yes ANW4 is the start. But people should be recognized for the amount of times they made the finals...someone like Brent should get recognized for making it to Japan twice, so say this is his sixth season in the finals or something like that.
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Post by Messup434 on Sept 6, 2016 20:47:16 GMT -5
I'd say so kinda because: 1. It had the current format 2. It's the first season available for buying purposes 3. The commentary started taking it's sticky-sweet current turn  |
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Post by TCM on Sept 6, 2016 22:08:58 GMT -5
Eliminating the first three seasons does this:
- Render the fact they ruined NW 23, 26 and 27 even more useless because of their clear omission
- Ignores Drew's broken foot which was the catalyst for his redemption arc
- Gets rid of numerous nicknames for any pre-ANW4 qualifiers including James McGrath and David Campbell (because 8 straight ANW appearances sounds much better than 4)
I know ignoring history in The American Way, but the show is 8 years old, deal with it.
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Post by cole77000 on Sept 7, 2016 17:55:50 GMT -5
Eliminating the first three seasons does this: - Render the fact they ruined NW 23, 26 and 27 even more useless because of their clear omission - Ignores Drew's broken foot which was the catalyst for his redemption arc - Gets rid of numerous nicknames for any pre-ANW4 qualifiers including James McGrath and David Campbell (because 8 straight ANW appearances sounds much better than 4) I know ignoring history in The American Way, but the show is 8 years old, deal with it. In fairness the original question was incredibly broad. Not sure that he meant "should we forget the first 3 seasons?" Or he did, in which case I would agree with you. OP, can you clarify your original question? |
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Post by TCM on Sept 7, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5
Eliminating the first three seasons does this: - Render the fact they ruined NW 23, 26 and 27 even more useless because of their clear omission - Ignores Drew's broken foot which was the catalyst for his redemption arc - Gets rid of numerous nicknames for any pre-ANW4 qualifiers including James McGrath and David Campbell (because 8 straight ANW appearances sounds much better than 4) I know ignoring history in The American Way, but the show is 8 years old, deal with it. In fairness the original question was incredibly broad. Not sure that he meant "should we forget the first 3 seasons?" Or he did, in which case I would agree with you. OP, can you clarify your original question? By using the phrasing "the real start" the language is inherently asking to disregard the first three seasons and the first reply to the post interpreted it that way with their answer. Another post uses the justification that ANW didn't become purchasable until 4 (but by that logic, Sasuke 30 is the only 'real' season for it). Intent doesn't take precedence over interpretation, especially when the language used is asking it in a certain manner. |
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Post by cole77000 on Sept 7, 2016 18:25:56 GMT -5
By using the phrasing "the real start" the language is inherently asking to disregard the first three seasons and the first reply to the post interpreted it that way with their answer. Another post uses the justification that ANW didn't become purchasable until 4 (but by that logic, Sasuke 30 is the only 'real' season for it). Intent doesn't take precedence over interpretation, especially when the language used is asking it in a certain manner. My apologies. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you jumped the gun there. The first few replies certainly warranted your response. I'm just curious if the OP meant something different, though I doubt it. |
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Post by Messup434 on Sept 7, 2016 19:17:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying we should forget the first three years, I'm only saying that they seem to want us to  |
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Post by notamulti on Sept 7, 2016 19:34:21 GMT -5
ANW 4 is the real start.
Would you call Kinniku Banzuke the real start of Sasuke, just cause some Sasuke competitors were on Kinniku? No. Sasuke 1 is the start of Sasuke.
ANW 4 is the start of modern ANW.
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 7, 2016 21:21:08 GMT -5
ANW 4 is the real start. Would you call Kinniku Banzuke the real start of Sasuke, just cause some Sasuke competitors were on Kinniku? No. Sasuke 1 is the start of Sasuke. ANW 4 is the start of modern ANW. I think we can all call ANW 4 a SOFT-REBOOT |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2016 21:28:51 GMT -5
No you don't count ANW4 as the real start. NBC doesn't when they refer to "records". They start at ANW1 when they went to Japan. It is clear by what Matt tells everyone on twitter these days too. They ignore ANC 1-4 as it is because it wasn't NBC so you are in essence asking for 2 false starts. ANW received their official name at ANC 5 and it was rebranded as such. NBC uses those records even to this day.
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 7, 2016 21:31:04 GMT -5
No you don't count ANW4 as the real start. NBC doesn't when they refer to "records". They start at ANW1 when they went to Japan. It is clear by what Matt tells everyone on twitter these days too. They ignore ANC 1-4 as it is because it wasn't NBC so you are in essence asking for 2 false starts. ANW received their official name at ANC 5 and it was rebranded as such. NBC uses those records even to this day. Can they be called different Eras like Sasuke? |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2016 21:32:58 GMT -5
No you don't count ANW4 as the real start. NBC doesn't when they refer to "records". They start at ANW1 when they went to Japan. It is clear by what Matt tells everyone on twitter these days too. They ignore ANC 1-4 as it is because it wasn't NBC so you are in essence asking for 2 false starts. ANW received their official name at ANC 5 and it was rebranded as such. NBC uses those records even to this day. Can they be called different Eras like Sasuke? Sure but not a "Start". That has a fundamental difference in meaning. It implies you are ignoring everything before it officially. As it is.. NBC ignores ANC 1-4 as if it didn't even existed as with the case with Luci, Levi, David, Brian, Brent, etc. since all existed before "ANW" was branded. |
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 7, 2016 21:39:28 GMT -5
Alright thanks I just picked a poor title for the topic. I really didn't mean to eliminate the first 3 Seasons. I really meant if ANW 4 started the foundation.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2016 21:44:52 GMT -5
Alright thanks I just picked a poor title for the topic. I really didn't mean to eliminate the first 3 Seasons. I really meant if ANW 4 started the foundation. The foundation is ANC 1 LOL I'm still not sure of your meaning. This whole spin off started with American Ninja Challenge on G4. They then rebranded it to American Ninja Warrior on season 5 of ANC. NBC took over for ANW3 then when Sasuke was cancelled they moved to Vegas for 4 and never looked back. |
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 7, 2016 21:53:50 GMT -5
Alright thanks I just picked a poor title for the topic. I really didn't mean to eliminate the first 3 Seasons. I really meant if ANW 4 started the foundation. The foundation is ANC 1 LOL I'm still not sure of your meaning. This whole spin off started with American Ninja Challenge on G4. They then rebranded it to American Ninja Warrior on season 5 of ANC. NBC took over for ANW3 then when Sasuke was cancelled they moved to Vegas for 4 and never looked back. I meant ANW4 started the trend of Vegas again sorry for the confusion |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2016 21:59:00 GMT -5
The foundation is ANC 1 LOL I'm still not sure of your meaning. This whole spin off started with American Ninja Challenge on G4. They then rebranded it to American Ninja Warrior on season 5 of ANC. NBC took over for ANW3 then when Sasuke was cancelled they moved to Vegas for 4 and never looked back. I meant ANW4 started the trend of Vegas again sorry for the confusion That's fact. Vegas started in ANW 4. ANW 1-3 were in Japan for Sasuke. Both 4 stage courses. ANC 1-4 also ended in 4 stage course Sasuke in Japan. I'm still not sure what it is you are trying to get to. Sorry. |
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Sept 7, 2016 22:03:04 GMT -5
I meant ANW4 started the trend of Vegas again sorry for the confusion That's fact. Vegas started in ANW 4. ANW 1-3 were in Japan for Sasuke. Both 4 stage courses. ANC 1-4 also ended in 4 stage course Sasuke in Japan. I'm still not sure what it is you are trying to get to. Sorry. It's okay I'm not the best at explaining but after ANW 3 they stopped sending people to Japan and made their own thing. Sorry for all the confusion. |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2016 22:05:40 GMT -5
That's fact. Vegas started in ANW 4. ANW 1-3 were in Japan for Sasuke. Both 4 stage courses. ANC 1-4 also ended in 4 stage course Sasuke in Japan. I'm still not sure what it is you are trying to get to. Sorry. It's okay I'm not the best at explaining but after ANW 3 they stopped sending people to Japan and made their own thing. Sorry for all the confusion. It was posed as a question. This is historical fact not subject to hypothetical. LOL I'm confused because what it sounded like was "do you only count Vegas as ANW ignoring previous seasons". Asking if Vegas started with ANW4 is a totally different question. That is - Yes. |
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