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Post by Ben Baker on Jun 6, 2016 5:20:13 GMT -5
The guys I was talking to in the walk on line in Indianapolis had a good point. They said, "if this thing becomes a sport, then it will do away with alot of this crap". But then I think about people becoming professionals and not having any heart in it. It will be be all rock climbers and not any Nagano's.
I think they need to aim for 25% celebrities/people that get the viewers. Then focus on the other 75% being true competitors. They could even lower the celebrities 25% cause the show can only air probably 15-20 people in an hour segment.
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Post by kangaroo on Jun 6, 2016 15:19:10 GMT -5
The guys I was talking to in the walk on line in Indianapolis had a good point. They said, "if this thing becomes a sport, then it will do away with alot of this crap". But then I think about people becoming professionals and not having any heart in it. It will be be all rock climbers and not any Nagano's. I think they need to aim for 25% celebrities/people that get the viewers. Then focus on the other 75% being true competitors. They could even lower the celebrities 25% cause the show can only air probably 15-20 people in an hour segment. Please people are crazy nothing changes if it becomes a sport look no further than the NBA, NFL etc they have just as much BS if not more than the game show because it is still about the TV Ratings and $$$$$. People kid themselves if they think it changes that much.
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Post by chadmanx on Jun 7, 2016 11:33:59 GMT -5
You know Arsenette, you are right about Facebook. SPOT ON IN FACT. I was actually sceptical about it when I first heard about that months ago, but you are right. Just tonight, on a post showing Kevin Bull's run on the official ANW facebook, there was a guy talking about Sasuke and asking if anyone even remembered it. Needless to say, there were some Sasuke fans, including myself, coming out of the woodwork, but there were also jackasses who wouldn't stop asking why: "anyone would watch that crappy version." Then, just as it looked like the Sasuke fans were gaining the upper hand... I go to check on the post and *poof*. The original post talking about Sasuke, wiped from existence. Even the comments supporting ANW were wiped. I had to see it to believe it. Now I have. Dude this kind of attitude is a problem!!!! Arguing is trying to make someone understand your point of view. Its not a fight where u "gain the upper hand". I can imagine someone deleted the post because no-one calmly explained how much love people have for the sasuke competitors & the history of sasuke. Instead u guys were so concerned with 'getting the upper hand' & winning this imaginary fight you probz forgot to actually argue. As for the article, I agree with ALOT of his points. Training for ANW is not a physical method of training the way parkour is, but it does promote fitness. If ANW inspires 1 person to try parkour/go for a run/join a gym then i believe it helps everyone. Honestly this is the first time i have ever heard of someone in the parkour community have a problem with it. I have many friends who have competed on ANW & so many other spin off in the respective countries. I understand as a parkour gym-owner that ANW effects Charles much more than it effects people like me, (those who only train) but if people come to the gym and want to do a "ninja class" as opposed to a parkour class it still equals people coming to your gym. I DONT agree they should call it "Parkour Warrior". As it is not parkour & if you know any people who train parkour, you probz know how silly they are. "Parkour Warrior"......no, just no And finally i dont agree that parkour competitions (ill leave the whole parkour competitions vs parkour purists another day) would entertain people the same way ANW does. That has already been shown to be the case. If anyone has ever been to a parkour competition it becomes apparent really quick that most people there are traceurs. Not to mention the low-rated parkour tv shows (ie Jump City, Parkour challenge) Its just doesnt work like ANW does. Hi everyone, I'm the author of the article and just found the site. Looks like a cool place! I wrote the article from a perspective I knew and one that I cared about: Parkour. I focused on Elet more than the other competitors because I'm friends with him and his story really connected with me. I understand that there are other training disciplines that contribute to success in ANW, but as far as I could tell, there was no real relationship between 'climbing' (or other search terms) and 'ANW'. Parkour had the most distinct relationship with ANW and Elet's story corroborated a feeling I've been having since Season 5: a noticeable lack of the term 'Parkour'. To reply to you, dlee: 1. I disagree that ANW promotes fitness more than it promotes challenging yourself. Most of the people that find my gym by way of ANW simply want to test themselves on the obstacles. They want to know how hard the warped wall is, if they can do the salmon ladder, or if (by some miracle they get on the show) they'd fall on the quintuple steps. Very few people actually want to use them as training tools because most of the people that want to train do not yet possess the skills required to do them. 2. I wish "ninja people" finding the gym were a good thing, but 9/10 times, those people never return or remain disgruntled during the class that they won't be training on the salmon ladder. It absolutely changes the normal atmosphere of our classes. As I tried to explain, this is a horrible slippery slope as a gym owner. Do I give these people what they want and let them try the salmon ladder without first learning dynos, clapping pull ups, or muscle ups? What is their likelihood of getting hurt? What is their likelihood of suing me if they do get hurt? Will my insurance company screw me over because I built the salmon ladder? Or, do I pay a TON of money for good insurance and hope that the number of people coming in the gym 'just to try the thing' and don't get hurt out out number (and out pay) the number that will get hurt and sue? Am I okay knowing that I'm running a business model that will result in someone getting injured simply so I can make money? 3. My "Parkour Warrior" comment was a joke. 4. Jump City was a failed collaboration between the owner of American Parkour and producers. The Ultimate Parkour Challenge was a hilarious attempt at MTV trying to combine ANW with the Real World. IFSC may not get huge ratings, but it's a fantastic way to participate and witness what some of the elite athletes from the climbing world can do. You can argue and say that ANW does a lot for the climbing world because of how much they mention it, but the data isn't conclusive. Because of that, ANW does nothing but promote itself. It is not actually anything but a fun reality tv series that gets some of its audience to fantasize about what it would be like if it were a real sport and gets less than 1% of its audience to actually seek out training for it. Climbers have their competitions. Parkour (and by extension, Ninjas) are still waiting for theirs. One of the main points of writing my article was to explain to both communities that any idea that ANW would be/become the competition we want it to be is simply fantasy.
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Post by kangaroo on Jun 7, 2016 13:19:45 GMT -5
Dude this kind of attitude is a problem!!!! Arguing is trying to make someone understand your point of view. Its not a fight where u "gain the upper hand". I can imagine someone deleted the post because no-one calmly explained how much love people have for the sasuke competitors & the history of sasuke. Instead u guys were so concerned with 'getting the upper hand' & winning this imaginary fight you probz forgot to actually argue. As for the article, I agree with ALOT of his points. Training for ANW is not a physical method of training the way parkour is, but it does promote fitness. If ANW inspires 1 person to try parkour/go for a run/join a gym then i believe it helps everyone. Honestly this is the first time i have ever heard of someone in the parkour community have a problem with it. I have many friends who have competed on ANW & so many other spin off in the respective countries. I understand as a parkour gym-owner that ANW effects Charles much more than it effects people like me, (those who only train) but if people come to the gym and want to do a "ninja class" as opposed to a parkour class it still equals people coming to your gym. I DONT agree they should call it "Parkour Warrior". As it is not parkour & if you know any people who train parkour, you probz know how silly they are. "Parkour Warrior"......no, just no And finally i dont agree that parkour competitions (ill leave the whole parkour competitions vs parkour purists another day) would entertain people the same way ANW does. That has already been shown to be the case. If anyone has ever been to a parkour competition it becomes apparent really quick that most people there are traceurs. Not to mention the low-rated parkour tv shows (ie Jump City, Parkour challenge) Its just doesnt work like ANW does. Hi everyone, I'm the author of the article and just found the site. Looks like a cool place! I wrote the article from a perspective I knew and one that I cared about: Parkour. I focused on Elet more than the other competitors because I'm friends with him and his story really connected with me. I understand that there are other training disciplines that contribute to success in ANW, but as far as I could tell, there was no real relationship between 'climbing' (or other search terms) and 'ANW'. Parkour had the most distinct relationship with ANW and Elet's story corroborated a feeling I've been having since Season 5: a noticeable lack of the term 'Parkour'. To reply to you, dlee: 1. I disagree that ANW promotes fitness more than it promotes challenging yourself. Most of the people that find my gym by way of ANW simply want to test themselves on the obstacles. They want to know how hard the warped wall is, if they can do the salmon ladder, or if (by some miracle they get on the show) they'd fall on the quintuple steps. Very few people actually want to use them as training tools because most of the people that want to train do not yet possess the skills required to do them. 2. I wish "ninja people" finding the gym were a good thing, but 9/10 times, those people never return or remain disgruntled during the class that they won't be training on the salmon ladder. It absolutely changes the normal atmosphere of our classes. As I tried to explain, this is a horrible slippery slope as a gym owner. Do I give these people what they want and let them try the salmon ladder without first learning dynos, clapping pull ups, or muscle ups? What is their likelihood of getting hurt? What is their likelihood of suing me if they do get hurt? Will my insurance company screw me over because I built the salmon ladder? Or, do I pay a TON of money for good insurance and hope that the number of people coming in the gym 'just to try the thing' and don't get hurt out out number (and out pay) the number that will get hurt and sue? Am I okay knowing that I'm running a business model that will result in someone getting injured simply so I can make money? 3. My "Parkour Warrior" comment was a joke. 4. Jump City was a failed collaboration between the owner of American Parkour and producers. The Ultimate Parkour Challenge was a hilarious attempt at MTV trying to combine ANW with the Real World. IFSC may not get huge ratings, but it's a fantastic way to participate and witness what some of the elite athletes from the climbing world can do. You can argue and say that ANW does a lot for the climbing world because of how much they mention it, but the data isn't conclusive. Because of that, ANW does nothing but promote itself. It is not actually anything but a fun reality tv series that gets some of its audience to fantasize about what it would be like if it were a real sport and gets less than 1% of its audience to actually seek out training for it. Climbers have their competitions. Parkour (and by extension, Ninjas) are still waiting for theirs. One of the main points of writing my article was to explain to both communities that any idea that ANW would be/become the competition we want it to be is simply fantasy. Welcome to the Martial Arts instructors world. they been dealing with that issue for a long time especially when the popularity of Kungfu, karate etc movies took off in the 70's. and has exploded even since then. Hard to get people to buy into the building blocks let alone retain them for long periods of time. I wish there was an easy answer all I can tell you is there is not and you are caught in the same pardox that martial arts instructors have been for a long time. Good luck on your gym
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Post by dlee on Jun 7, 2016 22:43:02 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm the author of the article and just found the site. Looks like a cool place! I wrote the article from a perspective I knew and one that I cared about: Parkour. I focused on Elet more than the other competitors because I'm friends with him and his story really connected with me. I understand that there are other training disciplines that contribute to success in ANW, but as far as I could tell, there was no real relationship between 'climbing' (or other search terms) and 'ANW'. Parkour had the most distinct relationship with ANW and Elet's story corroborated a feeling I've been having since Season 5: a noticeable lack of the term 'Parkour'. To reply to you, dlee: 1. I disagree that ANW promotes fitness more than it promotes challenging yourself. Most of the people that find my gym by way of ANW simply want to test themselves on the obstacles. They want to know how hard the warped wall is, if they can do the salmon ladder, or if (by some miracle they get on the show) they'd fall on the quintuple steps. Very few people actually want to use them as training tools because most of the people that want to train do not yet possess the skills required to do them. 2. I wish "ninja people" finding the gym were a good thing, but 9/10 times, those people never return or remain disgruntled during the class that they won't be training on the salmon ladder. It absolutely changes the normal atmosphere of our classes. As I tried to explain, this is a horrible slippery slope as a gym owner. Do I give these people what they want and let them try the salmon ladder without first learning dynos, clapping pull ups, or muscle ups? What is their likelihood of getting hurt? What is their likelihood of suing me if they do get hurt? Will my insurance company screw me over because I built the salmon ladder? Or, do I pay a TON of money for good insurance and hope that the number of people coming in the gym 'just to try the thing' and don't get hurt out out number (and out pay) the number that will get hurt and sue? Am I okay knowing that I'm running a business model that will result in someone getting injured simply so I can make money? 3. My "Parkour Warrior" comment was a joke. 4. Jump City was a failed collaboration between the owner of American Parkour and producers. The Ultimate Parkour Challenge was a hilarious attempt at MTV trying to combine ANW with the Real World. IFSC may not get huge ratings, but it's a fantastic way to participate and witness what some of the elite athletes from the climbing world can do. You can argue and say that ANW does a lot for the climbing world because of how much they mention it, but the data isn't conclusive. Because of that, ANW does nothing but promote itself. It is not actually anything but a fun reality tv series that gets some of its audience to fantasize about what it would be like if it were a real sport and gets less than 1% of its audience to actually seek out training for it. Climbers have their competitions. Parkour (and by extension, Ninjas) are still waiting for theirs. One of the main points of writing my article was to explain to both communities that any idea that ANW would be/become the competition we want it to be is simply fantasy. 1. Thats your interpretation man. But to me it is wrong. Some of the ANW fluff pieces in earlier seasons were the "I saw ANW & it made me wanna get into shape" . Not to mention the parents who see ANW then wanna take their kids to a movement gym. And personally, I find it inspiring to train after an epsiode of ANW. 2. Ok so what your saying is people wanna shoot 3-pointers before they actually know how to shoot? People wanna dunk before they can lay-up? People wanna throw a superman punch before they can throw a jab? People wanna hit a flying armbar before they know how to hip escape? What about when kids come into the gym and wanna go massive height drops on there first class? Can you use the same logic to explain to them why they cant just hop straight onto the salmon ladder? Cant you explain progression? You are saying nothing new about people wanting to do what they see on youtube/tv which is usually the highest level of the skill. Yeah injuries happen dude. Just gotta educate people. 3. Cool 4. NAPC, AirWipp Challenge, Art of Motion, KRAP Invaders, Hop the Block, Jump-Off, LCG Comp, +every local variation of competitions We have competitions dude. The problem is half of traceurs dont think should even exist & about 40 athletes dominate most of them.
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Post by ninjapodcast on Jun 8, 2016 6:24:26 GMT -5
I'd just like to add that ninja warrior has 2 national leagues that don't have the BS of a reality show and submission videos as well - National Ninja League and Ultimate Ninja Athlete Association.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 8, 2016 8:19:42 GMT -5
^Just go for NNL, UNAA may not have Reality TV BS but there's still a high BS factor about it
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Post by risingkingzz on Jun 8, 2016 23:06:25 GMT -5
On the bright side the show does help parkour and climbing with cases like myself. In the earlier seasons of ninja warrior the tempest boys made me fall in love with parkour and I've trained it ever since. The ninja gym I go to was once in a climbing gym so I then fell in love with climbing as well. I'd also argue that you don't need to be able to really do muscle ups or clapping pull ups to do the salmon ladder but I understand your point .
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Post by SolitudeSeeker. on Jun 8, 2016 23:12:38 GMT -5
My relationship with ANW and Sasuke Cannot find where to put thoughts grab notebook lol.
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Post by dlee on Jun 9, 2016 0:14:13 GMT -5
On the bright side the show does help parkour and climbing with cases like myself. In the earlier seasons of ninja warrior the tempest boys made me fall in love with parkour and I've trained it ever since. The ninja gym I go to was once in a climbing gym so I then fell in love with climbing as well. I'd also argue that you don't need to be able to really do muscle ups or clapping pull ups to do the salmon ladder but I understand your point . This is almost exactly how I started & the fact is i never would have seen tempest without watching ANW. So for all the people who Charles says are disgruntled during the classes (And yeah he runs a gym so he would know). There are also people like you & I who love every aspect of the new movement world they have discovered. And those are the people who will continue to train. Yeah ANW doesnt represent parkour very well but neither does any other main stream media its been featured on (Not including Youtube ofcourse).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 4:32:49 GMT -5
I wish we all never complained about how NBC messes around with our minds and instead focused on the runs shown on TV...sad reality of society today folks...
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