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Post by arsenette on Apr 14, 2016 5:13:51 GMT -5
That sounds less like a safety issue and more like someone who tried something they shouldn't have. Doing one side might actually be safer than back and forth unless your doing cat/can't easily clear distance. Yeah that's why I said it wasn't exactly like the CCH thing with Drew, however if this was in Japan the rule would have been enforced where Vietnam was not. That is correct that it was a safety issue and it was clearly shown what could happen if you skip with that lady breaking her ankle. It isn't correct that jumping double the distance is safer because it isn't. It's a lot further and few could judge the distance. Only those who have had experience with it in ANW would see that differently. Inui went out of his way to send message all the way from Japan to try to clarify to make people do all 4 steps. He mentioned that in Sasuke you HAVE to do all 4 steps but since he isn't in control in Vietnam he had to only say it as a suggestion. That wouldn't happen in Sasuke and he went out of his way in several social media platforms to hammer home. He's not happy. There are quite a few notes taken as to how certain people responded, acted and whatnot during the event both from an organizational standpoint and from certain competitors for future "tweaks" (especially when it comes to Season 3 of Vietnam and most definitely Sasuke World Cup). To say the list was long was an understatement. They were not happy with some things that occurred so far and the event isn't even over yet. It won't be for another few days. Stage 1 (individual) was completed earlier this week. The international event was completed over 2 days. In a couple of hours Stage 2 starts for individuals again.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Apr 14, 2016 14:48:50 GMT -5
That sounds less like a safety issue and more like someone who tried something they shouldn't have. Doing one side might actually be safer than back and forth unless your doing cat/can't easily clear distance. Agree with cobalt. 99% of Americans one side them because that it is the "better" technique, and all of them (and most people with even decent coordination) can do it with no problems. The move in itself is not unsafe. It is only unsafe when taken on by someone with little/no experience. Banning the move doesn't seem like it'll serve much purpose.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Apr 14, 2016 14:51:29 GMT -5
I agree with Arsenette, that it is something that will need to be taken into consideration for the world cup. Obstacle rulings/techniques/builds vary worldwide. They would need to educate themselves on different techniques beforehand, and make an official world cup ruling for each obstacle, passing it to the teams ahead of time. Make it fair for everyone.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 14, 2016 16:10:00 GMT -5
That's the reason Inui went out of his way to mention that it won't be tolerated in Sasuke Japan for the aforementioned reason. Japan's show has already been canceled twice and once directly because of injury.. they can't possibly allow something like that knowing that anyone could get fubarred if they miss that longer jump.
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Post by c0balt on Apr 14, 2016 17:47:52 GMT -5
I think one siding steps is a bad example, people break their ankles stepping off a curb to cross the street even. In general side to side movement is more dangerous. THAT aside the real problem is trying to make an obstacle course to test peoples limits and having "regular" or untrained athletes compete at all that is the dangerous part.
The shows try to glorify the everyday man, but we all know that to make the course hard for the veterans now you either get the most mind numbing how long can you hold onto something course which is safe, but boring AF and more for rock climbers or actually pick the TOP athletes to compete who have a lot less chance to injure themselves.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 14, 2016 23:47:46 GMT -5
Hey I have no interest in legislating the merits of skipping obstacles in an obstacle competition. I don't like it personally but that is a personal preference. Sasuke Japan preaches uniformity where everyone does it one way to level the playing field. Injuries are going to happen. My biggest issue (and his) is how some decided "eff it I like doing this this way and tough if you don't like it". I think it was the flippant attitude that bothered me the most. They were supposed to be guests representing our country and by all reports (and there were dozens..) it was something that caused many to pause and question if it should be an open competition again. That's disturbing. Not even the ASEAN Cup was like this.. safety issues aside, that is a horrible assessment. They forgot they are on foreign soil and expect a certain behavior code.
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Post by c0balt on Apr 15, 2016 0:22:38 GMT -5
Then there is a ton of story being left out then. What disrespect/attitude are you talking about? Did I miss something in this story?
Unless there were SPECIFIC rules saying you could not do an obstacle a specific way I think ingenuity and figuring out new ways to do obstacles is a positive and good thing.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 15, 2016 0:33:52 GMT -5
Then there is a ton of story being left out then. What disrespect/attitude are you talking about? Did I miss something in this story? Unless there were SPECIFIC rules saying you could not do an obstacle a specific way I think ingenuity and figuring out new ways to do obstacles is a positive and good thing. Oh there is a lot being left out of the story which is why I was not happy with that other thread being made. I'd rather that be left to the organizers in private because it has to do with personal behavior that is irrespective of results. The rules thing was complicated because Vietnam didn't have a uniform rule set. Japan does. Japan also has had the show cancelled twice so they have been cautioning people based on that. Vietnam is only on Season 2 and if they had injuries, etc. that could have been prevented then it is the fault of the organizer and could face disciplinary action from local governments (like TBS was for a few of their accidents on both Sasuke and Banzuke). Sasuke has also had 19 years of history and with this specific obstacle they have had many many runs over it to make a blanket statement as to how they want people to go over it. ANW doesn't have that history yet but more importantly they show the injuries as part of their broadcast. Japan is the complete opposite and will cut it out of the broadcast. That is why I said vastly different approaches to safety. TBS is erring in the side of caution hoping not to maim their competitors.
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Post by baronbk on Apr 16, 2016 5:56:45 GMT -5
Hey I have no interest in legislating the merits of skipping obstacles in an obstacle competition. I don't like it personally but that is a personal preference. Sasuke Japan preaches uniformity where everyone does it one way to level the playing field. Injuries are going to happen. My biggest issue (and his) is how some decided "eff it I like doing this this way and tough if you don't like it". I think it was the flippant attitude that bothered me the most. They were supposed to be guests representing our country and by all reports (and there were dozens..) it was something that caused many to pause and question if it should be an open competition again. That's disturbing. Not even the ASEAN Cup was like this.. safety issues aside, that is a horrible assessment. They forgot they are on foreign soil and expect a certain behavior code. There's a couple things of note here. 1, there was a woman who used all four and slammed her side into an edge on the landing platform. Ultimately it's a lack of safety on the equipment and/or the lack of skill by the competitor which will cause injury. As far as people still one siding them, the international team was chosen based on time for stage 1, so it became vital to cut any time off you could if you wanted to make the team. It wasn't meant in any disrespectful way I'm sure. (I still used all steps but I can understand the other viewpoint).
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Post by arsenette on Apr 16, 2016 6:10:22 GMT -5
Hey I have no interest in legislating the merits of skipping obstacles in an obstacle competition. I don't like it personally but that is a personal preference. Sasuke Japan preaches uniformity where everyone does it one way to level the playing field. Injuries are going to happen. My biggest issue (and his) is how some decided "eff it I like doing this this way and tough if you don't like it". I think it was the flippant attitude that bothered me the most. They were supposed to be guests representing our country and by all reports (and there were dozens..) it was something that caused many to pause and question if it should be an open competition again. That's disturbing. Not even the ASEAN Cup was like this.. safety issues aside, that is a horrible assessment. They forgot they are on foreign soil and expect a certain behavior code. There's a couple things of note here. 1, there was a woman who used all four and slammed her side into an edge on the landing platform. Ultimately it's a lack of safety on the equipment and/or the lack of skill by the competitor which will cause injury. As far as people still one siding them, the international team was chosen based on time for stage 1, so it became vital to cut any time off you could if you wanted to make the team. It wasn't meant in any disrespectful way I'm sure. (I still used all steps but I can understand the other viewpoint). I'm not getting in the middle of it. TBS is not entirely happy with many things going on at this event. The steps are the least of their issues right now.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Apr 16, 2016 10:19:59 GMT -5
That's the reason Inui went out of his way to mention that it won't be tolerated in Sasuke Japan for the aforementioned reason. Japan's show has already been canceled twice and once directly because of injury.. they can't possibly allow something like that knowing that anyone could get fubarred if they miss that longer jump. Wait... when was it injury cancelled? Are you talking about the Kinniku Banzuke Rock Valley/Rock Attack obstacles?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 17, 2016 19:29:36 GMT -5
Wasn't there the whole investigation launched into Sasuke after 5 people got injured on the Rope Glider in Sasuke 18? (Including a somewhat relevant comedian which really put spotlight into the incidents), I'm not sure if that was a cancellation but that really gave problems to TBS and Monster9 before 19 if I remember correctly
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Post by arsenette on Apr 17, 2016 23:43:42 GMT -5
Wasn't there the whole investigation launched into Sasuke after 5 people got injured on the Rope Glider in Sasuke 18? (Including a somewhat relevant comedian which really put spotlight into the incidents), I'm not sure if that was a cancellation but that really gave problems to TBS and Monster9 before 19 if I remember correctly Sasuke was cancelled when Banzuke went off the air (yes for that incident). Sasuke was part of that show so that along with all the others were all cancelled at the same time. TBS got sued for the Sasuke 18 Rope glider incident that put someone in traction (mostly because they tried to cover it up - normal M9 behavior).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 17, 2016 23:55:51 GMT -5
Oh derp, I forgot at the time that happened Sasuke was still tied to Banzuke as specials of it at that point.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 18, 2016 0:00:02 GMT -5
Oh derp, I forgot at the time that happened Sasuke was still tied to Banzuke as specials of it at that point. Yeah had that incident never happened Banzuke (which was a lot more popular - ratings in the 30's) would still have a special called "Sasuke" in it). Btw to stick to topic, Stage 2 was completed last night for everyone (they had that broken up into a few nights) and Stage 3 is expected to tape tonight.
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Post by tgf2k on Apr 20, 2016 11:20:57 GMT -5
Whew! Okay, sitting at the airport waiting to leave, and I'm all caught up on this thread.
First things first--the woman who broke her ankle was their sideline reporter (= Kristine Leahy but hotter and less bitchy). Perry had STRONGLY suggested to her before the incident that she step on all four, and she decided--because let's face it, everyone was doing it at the time--that she wanted to one-side. I give her points for 100% committing and not having her knee explode on impact (it wasn't a pretty landing).
Following that, Perry told the internationals that Inui had relayed him a message wanting people to use all four steps. He made a point of saying that Inui expressly said he was not mandating it, but would appreciate it. I, personally, was going to one-side until that statement, then I switched it up to all four. Some did not.
As for VTV production considering not bringing internationals back...that's news to me. Everyone I spoke to in production from the sideline producers to the executive producer said they wanted us back next season (the director, who's the highest authority on productions over here, even shook my hand and personally asked me [us] back next April for S3). I would NOT be surprised if someone said they weren't really happy with the behavior of some of the internationals due to the fact that there were several instances of people just showing up late or not being readily available during filming, but I have no reason to believe that they're so upset they would lie right to our faces.
Anyway, I'll be online for a while right now. Ask any questions if you want to know things.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 20, 2016 11:38:14 GMT -5
Thanks! Yeah there was a loooot going on in the background. I'm happy that because of the extended schedule that certain things got "better". I'm happy that after all was said and done the Vietnam production crew was happy. The TBS crew had a slightly different viewpoint given that any production from this point forward is a study on how to/how not to do international events. There was a lot learned through the chaos of the event. Everything from production snafu to communication/miscommunication with each of the international groups (things like in the future assigning someone that speaks each individual language to make sure everyone is on the same page), to invites, and whatnot. The problem of having 2 events simultaneous with strange breaks in between to trying to organize a couple thousand competitors.. yeah there was a lot to be learned. It was the first of it's kind for them and I'm sure all of that will be discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 11:41:47 GMT -5
First things first--the woman who broke her ankle was their sideline reporter. Aww poor girl. There's nothing worse than getting injured on the job
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Post by zocom7 on Apr 21, 2016 12:21:11 GMT -5
Rare injuries? I thought Sasuke Vietnam was one of the easiest competitions among most Sasuke spinoffs and to also include Sasuke Indonesia.
Oh btw, when is Sasuke Vietnam season 2 premiering?
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Post by arsenette on Apr 21, 2016 12:36:23 GMT -5
Easy doesn't always necessarily equal injury free. Lord knows people break their ankles walking off a street curb. I doubt disparaging the course given that it was the closest of the spin offs to actual specs is really a nice idea.
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