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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 19, 2015 23:36:36 GMT -5
We've established that NBC doesn't see the value of ANW as a sport compared to a reality TV show/competition. At this point, I don't even care anymore. American Ninja Warrior isn't a competition. It's a television show designed for regular people who have never seen SASUKE to tune in and watch the inspiring story of a normie whose dog had his leg amputated fail the 3rd obstacle. So either we can all bring each other's moods down by complaining about James McGrath getting cut or Matt Iseman being too loud or Kyle Cochran's megapush or we can accept reality, try to milk the enjoyment of watching an obstacle course show on American TV that isn't designed to hurt people, and do our best to have fun when NBC isn't in control. I'm going to keep applying because why not? In the off chance I ever get accepted I'll probably fail the 4th or 5th obstacle and get cut from TV. Whatever. I'll still go to gym tournaments to hang out with the cool people who aren't bitter about walk-on line restrictions or feeling like they "deserve" to get called or to get a Vegas wild card or to run when they were in the walk-on line for 8 days less than the guy in front of them. (Sorry. I'm super bitter about those guys.)
The editing isn't to our liking. Who cares? Let's be honest, SASUKE's editing isn't that much better.
The rules can be perceived as rigged. Who cares? You really expect a competition like ANW to be run flawlessly? I defy any of you to try and run a competition that not one person can complain about.
The million dollar prize can only be awarded to one person. Who cares? Most of the people complaining about this aren't even old enough to get on the show, let alone skilled enough to get passed the qualifying round.
The format isn't SASUKE. Who cares? If it were SASUKE, it would be called American SASUKE.
NBC won't pick up SASUKE. Who cares? The people who actually want to see SASUKE find it on the Internet. The 5 or so million other people who watch ANW couldn't give a crap about SASUKE.
ANW doesn't consider itself canon with SASUKE. Who cares? This has driven me up a wall. Do you really expect NBC to hype Kane Kosugi as the "only American" to get to the Final Stage in 2002 before NBC/G4/Comcast/any American broadcasting company had any involvement with SASUKE?
I'm so sick and tired of my mood being brought down every week because we're elitists who find all the negatives with this damn show. We are so insanely lucky to have Ninja Warrior in America. There are hundreds, nay, thousands of Japanese television shows with international fans that will never have an American version see the light of day. If you don't like this show, stop watching it. If you feel like ANW deserves to give you a shot and they're not, stop signing up for it. If you do like this show, please, stop complaining about it in every single post.
Sorry for having a short fuse. I'm so tired of this. All I want is to be able to discuss ANW without having to listen to complaints 99% of the time. Yeah, I'm not immune to this. It took me a while to realize the negative environment I was unknowingly fostering. I'm going to try my best from here on out to just watch ANW and enjoy it as best as I can.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 19, 2015 23:49:50 GMT -5
I don't know what internal argument happened in the ANW boards but there's one thing I can say on the subject. It's a discussion board with vastly different viewpoints. If they didn't care about the show they wouldn't complain. Simple as that. Those who don't give a damn already left. Yelling at people to STFU only makes you sound bitter.
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Post by narcissus1916 on Jul 20, 2015 0:24:27 GMT -5
While I find the Sasuke quick bios to be much more effective than the ANW 4 minute long packages of sorrow, I do think that ANW gives plenty of time to its top tier athletes. They certainly play favorites, but so does any show or competition under the sun.
I think ANW has done more than enough recognition of Sasuke - I was surprised to hear it get mentioned it at all. I do find the editing of the world competition to be pretty slimy. Not even so much the rigging, but editing in shots to make the japanese competitors look like grouchy poor sports.
I think its awesome that I can watch Sasuke and ANW and Ninja Warrior UK AND Ninja warrior sweden AND a few other versions and appreciate all of them.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 20, 2015 0:35:47 GMT -5
I think what RC is saying is that he's tired of hearing dissension. That's the nature of debate and the core of discussion boards. He's telling everyone to not give any opinion. More importantly opinion that doesn't agree with his viewpoint only is not only invalid but unwanted.
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Post by TCM on Jul 20, 2015 1:56:45 GMT -5
For me, the problem is the glaring inconsistency or blatant hypocrisy of showrunning by NBC. It openly refers to itself as a sport on-air and in promotional material gives itself the feeling of being a sport. Why else be proud of when legitimate professional athletes attempt to try out/do well on the course? Yet NBC is fine with making it AGT or The Voice-lite in execution at times. Sure, someone with a story that screams typical reality TV emotional manipulation is supposed to get you invested in someone, but it seems weird to ultimately waste five minutes on someone who can't get through half a qualifying course. Yes, just getting on the course is an accomplishment, but that doesn't actually make for good television when everyone is failing but is 'just happy to be there.' So even from a television aspect, it comes across as shoddy when you could have just given that time to an established competitor or someone who seems like they have some legit potential that they actually follow up on. Neither does borderline camp commentary at times. That's a poor formula. Those are things that can take you put of a program and lead you to change the channel.
I can deal with a show like Survivor or Big Brother leaning challenges a certain way because a particular person winning would make the narrative more exciting. ANW doesn't have the privilege of such a narrative as there is no guaranteed winner. It demeans the competitors and insults the intelligence of myself (and others) as a viewer knowing ANW 4 should have ended in Stage 2 or that NBC can't comprehend the idea of competitors who aren't American can be better at the course (and thus not giving a level playing field to start or waste everyone's time trying to prove a victory that wasn't there). That's different than say poor obstacle design which negatively affects result as well and thus the interest level of the show.
Formatting can be just personal preferences.
My primary criticism has always been their relationship with Sasuke, which is again, sometimes show-breakingly inconsistent. Taking the time to have proper wording fixes 99% of the consistency but they don't, yet will reference their parent show (whether they like it or not) selectively at random. Being seemingly unappreciative of their roots puts me off, especially when the show existed as an extension of them for years. Everyone has their specific nitpicks; some more reasonable than others.
To sum it up, it can be done better. I'm not one to give 100% of credit to NBC when I feel like they lack in effort. Discourse about a show has to deal with people who like it, hate it, or dislike some but like others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 3:25:44 GMT -5
I try to stay off the ANW board unless something I should know is in it and I try to limit my complaining as much as possible (oh, and I do have A LOT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT) and realize it's pretty much pointless. I only watch ANW (or should I say skim) to stay informed and even then I'm mostly being informed by the board anyway.
That being said, it's not going to change my opinion of ANW, I know there are people that like it (some even more than SASUKE), but with what it's done and how bad it's become there's really no reason for me to like it.
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Post by Amber on Jul 20, 2015 9:19:57 GMT -5
Telling people to stop complaining isn't really worth the effort either. Let's face it, we're on the Internet! People complain about EVERYTHING on here whether they're told to or not.
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Post by blah123 on Jul 20, 2015 10:14:13 GMT -5
Telling people to stop complaining isn't really worth the effort either. Let's face it, we're on the Internet! People complain about EVERYTHING on here whether they're told to or not. We need more complaining, dammit!! And less crappy shows. And more Sasuke. And more pie. |
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 20, 2015 14:48:24 GMT -5
I think what RC is saying is that he's tired of hearing dissension. That's the nature of debate and the core of discussion boards. He's telling everyone to not give any opinion. More importantly opinion that doesn't agree with his viewpoint only is not only invalid but unwanted. That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying that bashing ANW because it's not SASUKE is getting old. I'm totally fine with people hating ANW, but if people hate ANW so much, then they need to stop watching it. Yes, I'm extremely bitter. The ANW community at large is a vast group of some of the nicest and most supportive people you'll ever meet and a small minority (~1%) whose purpose in life is to ruin it for everyone. It's increasingly feeling like this is the opposite on here. However, on your advice, I will try to tone my argument more positively: Baseless complaining about ANW is getting old and making it more difficult for others to enjoy the program. If we like the show and are continuing to watch it, maybe there are more positive things we could say about the show instead of ruthlessly burying it in the forums. EDIT: I'll give an example. Instead of saying "Jessie Graff isn't the fourth woman to beat the Warped Wall because a woman on the trials for a different show in 2003 got to the top of the Warped Wall and timed out", maybe we could tone it like "I wish that ANW would recognize SASUKE Trials in their series canon but that doesn't take away from what an awesome moment it was for Jessie Graff to beat the Warped Wall." |
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 20, 2015 16:16:59 GMT -5
Tbh I complain about everything, and I'm one of ANW harshist critics. I try not to complain in a "ANW sucks why does anyone watch this way", just a "This obstacle sucks and should be built better way" just like I would the backstream in SASUKE. People will always complain, I just complain about ANW as there is much more going on than in SASUKE. If SASUKE had 45 qualifying obstacles and then brand new finals obstacles I think most people would complain just as much about SASUKE as they would ANW. Bascially my view is I'm comparing a 4 hour SASUKE vs a 14 hour season ANW, therefore there's gonna be a lot more complaining. If people complain in a controversial way, I can see why people don't like that. Such as "David Campbells too old to kanzenseiha" or "Stage 3 is way too easy", but these are the best threads on the board tbh, if everyone likes something it makes the board kinda boring  Basically I'm saying as long as it's not super salty complaining and ANW bashing then I think complaining is fine (And should be encouraged!) just don't say stuff you can't back up like "ANW sucks" or "Kacy's the best". Instead say "The Stage 1 Time Limit is too lenient" or "Megan is better than Kacy because...".  |
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Post by SasukeForever on Jul 20, 2015 19:52:10 GMT -5
Much longer than that, each show is actually 2 hours from 8-10 looking at probably 18 episodes this year so 36 hours??? |
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Post by arsenette on Jul 20, 2015 20:08:32 GMT -5
I think what RC is saying is that he's tired of hearing dissension. That's the nature of debate and the core of discussion boards. He's telling everyone to not give any opinion. More importantly opinion that doesn't agree with his viewpoint only is not only invalid but unwanted. That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying that bashing ANW because it's not SASUKE is getting old. I'm totally fine with people hating ANW, but if people hate ANW so much, then they need to stop watching it. Yes, I'm extremely bitter. The ANW community at large is a vast group of some of the nicest and most supportive people you'll ever meet and a small minority (~1%) whose purpose in life is to ruin it for everyone. It's increasingly feeling like this is the opposite on here. However, on your advice, I will try to tone my argument more positively: Baseless complaining about ANW is getting old and making it more difficult for others to enjoy the program. If we like the show and are continuing to watch it, maybe there are more positive things we could say about the show instead of ruthlessly burying it in the forums. EDIT: I'll give an example. Instead of saying "Jessie Graff isn't the fourth woman to beat the Warped Wall because a woman on the trials for a different show in 2003 got to the top of the Warped Wall and timed out", maybe we could tone it like "I wish that ANW would recognize SASUKE Trials in their series canon but that doesn't take away from what an awesome moment it was for Jessie Graff to beat the Warped Wall." Understood. Still though the original tone of your first post sounded reaaaaally bitter. Heck, I'm bitter NBC told us Sasuke fans to eff off, commandeered the Facebook AND Twitter followers that were in the hundreds of thousands, drove off the original crew of competitors AND fans and told us to like it. So when we see something that WAS fun to watch and see it bastardized to the point where your friends give you funny looks going "wait.. you blog about this crap?" and say ANW as a meme rather than a good show.. I'm going to say something about it. I know you are saying it as a general rule and not taking it personally since I haven't been on the ANW boards in earnest this season.  I did however read the posts and it's nowhere near as vitriolic as last year. Most of us who had a shred of hope already left last season and only pop on to read the spoilers since we still give a damn about the competitors. The show can rot for all I care as it's not even true to itself. Wait 5 minutes and it will morph into something else. Not a single season looked like the other one. I think that alone is worth complaining because it's their inconsistency that is turning people away. That and the fact that the show is about the money and the announcers. The rest are a revolving door of sad stories. Shame because I like cheering on people. NBC makes it impossible to care. Didn't YOU say in one of your angry posts "I'm not defending this show anymore!" just recently? |
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 21, 2015 0:12:16 GMT -5
"Didn't YOU say in one of your angry posts "I'm not defending this show anymore!" just recently?"
Yes, because the complainers drove me to the edge. In fairness, the city finals episodes are vastly more watchable. The "inspirational stories" have already failed early and we're into the thick of the competition.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 21, 2015 0:20:45 GMT -5
I think though the idea of telling people to STFU because you personally get offended by it is kinda pointless especially when you have your own outbursts. People feel passionately about the show regardless on what side you are on. At least they care. Some shows wish they had a passionate fanbase.
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Post by Miko on Jul 21, 2015 0:33:59 GMT -5
After reading this topic, i started to hate even more ANW. If ANW-community is this stupid, i dunno what to say.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Aug 30, 2015 9:31:11 GMT -5
I don't know what internal argument happened in the ANW boards but there's one thing I can say on the subject. It's a discussion board with vastly different viewpoints. If they didn't care about the show they wouldn't complain. Simple as that. Those who don't give a damn already left. Yelling at people to STFU only makes you sound bitter. I know i'm late to the party, but you are one of the worst offenders here Arsenette. Every chance you get, even on topics completely unrelated to ANW you completely nitpick the show to the most petty degree. You keep stating over and over again you don't care about the show, you're leaving it in the dust and that those who don't give a damn already left. But you yourself don't leave ANW alone, despite proclaiming you don't care. |
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Basically I'm saying as long as it's not super salty complaining and ANW bashing then I think complaining is fine (And should be encouraged!) just don't say stuff you can't back up like "ANW sucks" or "Kacy's the best". Instead say "The Stage 1 Time Limit is too lenient" or "Megan is better than Kacy because...". 
I did however read the posts and it's nowhere near as vitriolic as last year. Most of us who had a shred of hope already left last season and only pop on to read the spoilers since we still give a damn about the competitors. The show can rot for all I care as it's not even true to itself. Wait 5 minutes and it will morph into something else. Not a single season looked like the other one. I think that alone is worth complaining because it's their inconsistency that is turning people away. That and the fact that the show is about the money and the announcers. The rest are a revolving door of sad stories. Shame because I like cheering on people. NBC makes it impossible to care. Didn't YOU say in one of your angry posts "I'm not defending this show anymore!" just recently?
