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Post by Badalight on Mar 23, 2015 22:25:14 GMT -5
Those are extraneous factors. In a controlled environment, the obstacles do not take a high level of fitness. Now I'd say certain obstacles take a unique skill set, for example, a trampoline obstacle is not testing your fitness as much as it's testing how you're able to handle a trampoline. I still wager that 99% of the competitors chosen to compete on the course (not walk ons, but anyone that dedicated to getting onto the show probably falls under this category as well) have the strength, speed, and stamina to complete all of the obstacles in the prelims. If you have an example of a REALLY demanding obstacle that was in prelims, feel free to put it forward. The only thing that's sort of difficult to classify is balance, but I feel that falls more under skillset than physical fitness.
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Post by evan on Mar 23, 2015 23:11:43 GMT -5
What you're defining is difficulty, not actual work. They're not synonymous. This is the root of our disagreement. Again, consider golf. It's very easy on the body, but difficult to skillfully master. Heavy lifting on the other hand is very hard on the body, but relatively easy to learn and execute. I agree that difficulty =/work, but they are related and depending on context they can be perfectly correlated. Ninja warrior obstacles have nothing to do with physical demands of golf, so I think that’s a bad example to make your point. Doing a few upper body/prolonged grip obstacles back to back and running up the warped wall do require physical fitness. What do you consider as physically demanding? Stage 3 obstacles? How do you make the distinction between physically easy -> demanding? With ANW I think it’s more of a spectrum and sometimes seems random/chaotic, as some regional courses might be more physically demanding than later stages in Vegas. |
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Post by evan on Mar 23, 2015 23:19:00 GMT -5
Those are extraneous factors. In a controlled environment, the obstacles do not take a high level of fitness. Now I'd say certain obstacles take a unique skill set, for example, a trampoline obstacle is not testing your fitness as much as it's testing how you're able to handle a trampoline. I still wager that 99% of the competitors chosen to compete on the course (not walk ons, but anyone that dedicated to getting onto the show probably falls under this category as well) have the strength, speed, and stamina to complete all of the obstacles in the prelims. If you have an example of a REALLY demanding obstacle that was in prelims, feel free to put it forward. The only thing that's sort of difficult to classify is balance, but I feel that falls more under skillset than physical fitness. I don't know about 99% of the competitors, but I completely understand the difference between having the capacity to complete the course and actually doing it. I mentioned earlier that people should expect to perform ~70-80% of their max capacity due to the conditions, unless they train in those conditions (which seems very difficult to reproduce). |
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Post by vaughngk on Mar 23, 2015 23:30:57 GMT -5
Some of the upper body obstacles like the peg board, devil steps, and arm rings seemed to put a lot of strain on many competiors does that count?
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Post by gt4dom on Mar 23, 2015 23:47:59 GMT -5
Some of the upper body obstacles like the peg board, devil steps, and arm rings seemed to put a lot of strain on many competiors does that count? Maybe but realistically none of these upper body obstacles should be any trouble for these guys, especially as its not like the 3rd stage where the same arm muscles are always used, your arms get breaks so it should be ok (and there being no time limit). Realistically anyone can beat any obstacle, pressure is probably one of the biggest factors, especially those who queue up for 6 days just to have 1 shot at the course. |
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Post by Oti on Mar 24, 2015 4:47:06 GMT -5
This is going in circles. Best of luck with your future ANW endeavors.
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Post by evan on Mar 24, 2015 11:40:29 GMT -5
This is going in circles. Best of luck with your future ANW endeavors. Best wishes to you as well. I agree that we went as far as we could with this discussion. |
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Post by Badalight on Mar 24, 2015 16:35:59 GMT -5
Some of the upper body obstacles like the peg board, devil steps, and arm rings seemed to put a lot of strain on many competiors does that count? Last I'll say on the subject. You certainly listed some of the more stamina intensive obstacles on the course, but still anyone good enough to get on the show should have the endurance to beat all of those (in theory). The Sumo competitor of anw3 nonwithstanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 23:50:17 GMT -5
Some of the upper body obstacles like the peg board, devil steps, and arm rings seemed to put a lot of strain on many competiors does that count? Last I'll say on the subject. You certainly listed some of the more stamina intensive obstacles on the course, but still anyone good enough to get on the show should have the endurance to beat all of those (in theory). The Sumo competitor of anw3 nonwithstanding. Don't forget that one fat guy from ANW2. He had no chance what so ever of beating the course. The fact that he made it through the steps was remarkable in itself. |
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Post by Badalight on Mar 25, 2015 1:57:45 GMT -5
By the way, does anyone know how many people applied this year? I assume it would be ridiculous considering Kacy's video went viral last year and applicants have increased every year.
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Post by SasukeForever on Mar 25, 2015 5:50:52 GMT -5
By the way, does anyone know how many people applied this year? I assume it would be ridiculous considering Kacy's video went viral last year and applicants have increased every year. I thought I heard over 100,000 by someone, but it may be totally wrong. |
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Post by brockriebe6 on Mar 25, 2015 7:15:43 GMT -5
By the way, does anyone know how many people applied this year? I assume it would be ridiculous considering Kacy's video went viral last year and applicants have increased every year. When I was on the phone with the guy from casting I asked him this and he said he couldn't tell me lol. |
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Post by evan on Mar 25, 2015 9:17:05 GMT -5
Yes casting wouldn't tell us in Venice but then I remember Matt or Akbar announcing it. It's some ridiculous number and I think they want it to be a surprise.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 25, 2015 11:26:04 GMT -5
My estimation was 50,000. Wasn't it 30,000+ last year? I also asked and got the "we can't tell you but it was a lot".
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Post by arsenette on Mar 25, 2015 11:33:11 GMT -5
30k signed up for the "email notification" for applications alone. I am sure the number is well past that for the actual.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 25, 2015 12:21:05 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what in my video put me in the <1% of people actually chosen. Guess I've got that tv charm?
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Post by thebra on Mar 25, 2015 13:17:56 GMT -5
When did you submit your video in regards to the deadline Bada?
I've been wondering the same thing in terms of selection of competitors this year. If they had over 30,000 videos that were 3 minutes long each, then that equals a ton of hours of submission video viewing for the casting department. I almost feel that maybe once they accepted the people they wanted from previous seasons, they just filled in the rest of the spots with people that were good enough for their casting criteria and then just stopped looking at the rest of submission or only gave them the first 15 seconds to impress. I wonder if they went in order of who submitted or what. Who knows, its all speculation on my part but its just come so far from the days when just submitting a video pretty much guaranteed you a spot.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 25, 2015 13:42:42 GMT -5
Somehow I feel like a vast chunk of the videos, like mine, sucked. People probably recording themselves for 3 minutes at the gym or something dumb like that. I think I overvalued the survey and undervalued the video as for why I'm going to get rejected in Pittsburgh. Also, Bada's dedication may have something to do with it. Maybe the producers have a "superfan" quota.
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Post by evan on Mar 25, 2015 17:21:39 GMT -5
my impression after talking to a casting member is that they don't care as much about your athletic abilities as they care about your personality and being a good fit for a reality TV show. So if you just made a video of doing obstacles and working out without showing your personality then you have little chances of getting a call. Unless of course you are some well known athlete or celebrity, or the assistant casting person that happens to watch your video likes you for some reason (the head casting people still need to approve). Also, they like to see in your video the things that you put in your application. My video was a mess too.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 25, 2015 18:38:18 GMT -5
When did you submit your video in regards to the deadline Bada? I've been wondering the same thing in terms of selection of competitors this year. If they had over 30,000 videos that were 3 minutes long each, then that equals a ton of hours of submission video viewing for the casting department. I almost feel that maybe once they accepted the people they wanted from previous seasons, they just filled in the rest of the spots with people that were good enough for their casting criteria and then just stopped looking at the rest of submission or only gave them the first 15 seconds to impress. I wonder if they went in order of who submitted or what. Who knows, its all speculation on my part but its just come so far from the days when just submitting a video pretty much guaranteed you a spot. I submitted my video and application hours after the process was up. I wouldn't be surprised if I was literally the first applicant - or at least in the first 10 or so. Somehow I feel like a vast chunk of the videos, like mine, sucked. People probably recording themselves for 3 minutes at the gym or something dumb like that. I think I overvalued the survey and undervalued the video as for why I'm going to get rejected in Pittsburgh. Also, Bada's dedication may have something to do with it. Maybe the producers have a "superfan" quota. I have heard some insider info regarding this in a previous year. They do in fact separate people into categories. I imagine I did fall into the superfan quota, so whatever niche you get put in you want to stand out in that niche. I imagine saying you do rock climbing and parkour will literally mean nothing unless you are AMAZING in those categories. It's going to be impossible to compete against Tempest when it comes to Parkour or the Colorado ninjas when it comes to Rock Climbing. At best give them a passing mention. You're also going to find it difficult trying to compete with the "middle aged white guy that built a bunch of obstacles in his backyard to train" category. Think about it though, how many legitimate "superfans" submitted an application, especially from the mid-west aka the region with the least amount of applicants? Sure you could fake it, but how many people do you think actually mentioned Sasuke in their application videos? I talked about Sasuke and even advertised my Makoto Nagano autograph. I threw in some random trivia that of course anyone could technically get from Wikipedia, but I legitimately remembered. Of course I'm not on the level of someone like Rider or those other people on this forum that could recall every competitor and their bib numbers and their results from every Sasuke, but I'm certainly of a higher caliber than most. Another member on SMF Chrisketchum has been invited a lot of the years as well. He's certainly not the most athletic person in the world, but he has a lot of things about him that stand out - He's a DJ who performs all over America, he works for a tv station, he's turbo good at DDR and rhythm games, etc. Secondly, yes, if I got chosen then there is no way the physical portion of the video matters - like at all. Even with me showing the best of my footage recorded over the years, nothing I do compares to so many other guys. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the applicants were more physically capable than I am. Sure if you have a certain athletic talent that you want to show off, go for it, but over-all athletic ability is going to be second to an interesting narrative and a glowing personality. Personally, I thought my speaking portions of the video felt very awkward and forced. I have decent public speaking skills (I am in school to become a teacher after all) but rewatching the video it feels very awkward and cringeworthy to me. Not sure if it was the personality that got me on the show, but who knows - I may just be my biggest critic. I would also say that yes, the survey portion of the application matters more for after you've been chosen. That is what they will reference in your interview and to create your story or narrative. The video is going to be the most important - they may not even look at the surveys until after they've deemed your video worthy enough. It's also important to mention that there are multiple stages to this process. I got a phone call very early on from casting that said they enjoyed my video, and that it made the "first cut" and would be in the group that was sent to the higher ups. It seems like normal casting trims the fat, and then the producers make the final decision based on what casting provides to them. |
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