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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 14:02:16 GMT -5
A good number of years. It'll have it's own segment on future "I love the 10's" shows. I could see this being around until 2020 if not later.
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Post by Philip on Oct 13, 2014 15:04:01 GMT -5
But soon someone will leak how rigged the show is, and the show could be doomed if that happens. I don't necessarily think it is rigged but it definitely needs some major improvements. It is rigged though. Brent clearing Stage 2 in ANW4, Japan getting screwed in the 3rd Stage in USA vs The World..... |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 13, 2014 15:32:15 GMT -5
"Rigged" implies consent from those doing it. I'd say altered because the competitors aren't paid to do what they are doing. So just clarifying terminology. As for what will people do when they find out? Not much. I remember just here on SMF being yelled at to shut up simply because "they enjoyed it". That's sadly the majority. For those who don't think that way we already made our decision and don't watch or support NBC. I know that's a miniscule minority. Entertainment is the only reason why people watch this and knowing those facts won't change it which is why I think it will last a long time. Hell.. look at survivor, that's rigged like crazy and that is what.. 25 years old?
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Post by Oti on Oct 13, 2014 15:36:58 GMT -5
Also the fact that with big, prime time television like this, it's not about quality. It's about how much money they're willing to pump into it to keep it alive. ANW will be around for years to come.
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Post by 2D2Will on Oct 13, 2014 16:52:27 GMT -5
ANW has the possibility to last a long time, especially given the fact it's a summer series, where expectations are lower. However, ANW needs to stop building obstacles that are poorly made and artificially inflate the difficulty, especially in Vegas. There was an increase of negative tweets during stage 2 because people wanted to see a winner and the contestants were getting slaughtered. Because of that, we only had 2 people in stage 3 and a final result that was worse than ANW 5. If ANW gives people the impression that Vegas is literally impossible, people will not come back next season because they'll think the regionals are pointless. However, they probably need an even bigger screw up to turn viewers away.
The only other way I can see ANW ending is if (A) TBS decides to forsake making money and simply decide to not renew their contract with NBC or (B) another network approaches TBS and offers them a lot more money. Neither of those events are likely, so NBC ruining their product is the only way the show is getting cancelled any time soon.
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 13, 2014 18:18:09 GMT -5
I see it lasting indefinitely because, simply put, it's profitable. It's super cheap to produce (just rent a field somewhere, truck around some aluminum that you mostly are reusing from the year before, don't need to pay contestants or actors, etc.) and it's increasing in ratings from season to season. Profit = return - investment, which is > 0, and is increasing. Simple as that. There's a bit more to it than that, cost wise. You are underestimating several aspects. First, "rent a field somewhere"? That's not what they do. The cities they choose are pretty big cities. For example, in ANW 6, the locations for qualifying were Venice Beach, Dallas, St. Louis, Denver, and Miami. It costs a fair bit of money to rent a location the size needed to put an obstacle course, never mind 5 of them. You say the contestants don't need to get paid. That's true for the contestants, but I highly doubt Ackbar and Matt commentate for free, Jenn Brown interviews for free, the security works for free, etc. That's not even factoring in the maintenance costs for the obstacles or anything else I'm missing. Is it cheap compared to a scripted series? Ignoring the temptation to snark about how "unscripted" ANW is, yes. Does that make it as cheap as you are claiming? No. "Rigged" implies consent from those doing it. I'd say altered because the competitors aren't paid to do what they are doing. So just clarifying terminology. As for what will people do when they find out? Not much. I remember just here on SMF being yelled at to shut up simply because "they enjoyed it". That's sadly the majority. For those who don't think that way we already made our decision and don't watch or support NBC. I know that's a miniscule minority. Entertainment is the only reason why people watch this and knowing those facts won't change it which is why I think it will last a long time. Hell.. look at survivor, that's rigged like crazy and that is what.. 25 years old? Actually, Survivor is "only" 14 years old. As for what you say...that's true. For the people who find the show entertaining, knowing the facts won't change anything. You can at least take a little solace in the fact that the Wikipedia page is more accurate than Matt. At least it acknowledges the existence of Kane Kosugi.  |
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Post by phrozunsun on Oct 14, 2014 14:13:12 GMT -5
Tough to say.
It's relatively cheap to shoot (especially considering they've already sunk the obstacle/material costs), so if the ratings support it, they'll probably keep it going.
That being said, it's not the cheapest "reality" show to shoot, and expect their insurance premiums aren't cheap either. Basically, it's a risk-reward sort of deal - as long as the rewards (ratings) outweighs the risks (costs) by enough of a margin, they'll keep it going
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Post by jfeathe on Oct 14, 2014 14:58:52 GMT -5
I see it lasting indefinitely because, simply put, it's profitable. It's super cheap to produce (just rent a field somewhere, truck around some aluminum that you mostly are reusing from the year before, don't need to pay contestants or actors, etc.) and it's increasing in ratings from season to season. Profit = return - investment, which is > 0, and is increasing. Simple as that. I won't go as far as to say indefinitely, but your reasoning is spot on. ANW has got to be one of the cheapest shows to produce in all of current prime time. The fact that the grand prize (or ANY prize for that matter) doesn't have to been awarded like almost every other reality/competition show out there also saves them a chunk of change each season. |
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Post by TCM on Oct 15, 2014 0:52:28 GMT -5
I see it lasting indefinitely because, simply put, it's profitable. It's super cheap to produce (just rent a field somewhere, truck around some aluminum that you mostly are reusing from the year before, don't need to pay contestants or actors, etc.) and it's increasing in ratings from season to season. Profit = return - investment, which is > 0, and is increasing. Simple as that. I won't go as far as to say indefinitely, but your reasoning is spot on. ANW has got to be one of the cheapest shows to produce in all of current prime time. The fact that the grand prize (or ANY prize for that matter) doesn't have to been awarded like almost every other reality/competition show out there also saves them a chunk of change each season. In addition to the fact that they'll only have to pay out once a season. |
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Post by blah123 on Oct 17, 2014 6:55:33 GMT -5
I see it lasting indefinitely because, simply put, it's profitable. It's super cheap to produce (just rent a field somewhere, truck around some aluminum that you mostly are reusing from the year before, don't need to pay contestants or actors, etc.) and it's increasing in ratings from season to season. Profit = return - investment, which is > 0, and is increasing. Simple as that. There's a bit more to it than that, cost wise. You are underestimating several aspects. First, "rent a field somewhere"? That's not what they do. The cities they choose are pretty big cities. For example, in ANW 6, the locations for qualifying were Venice Beach, Dallas, St. Louis, Denver, and Miami. It costs a fair bit of money to rent a location the size needed to put an obstacle course, never mind 5 of them. You say the contestants don't need to get paid. That's true for the contestants, but I highly doubt Ackbar and Matt commentate for free, Jenn Brown interviews for free, the security works for free, etc. That's not even factoring in the maintenance costs for the obstacles or anything else I'm missing. Is it cheap compared to a scripted series? Ignoring the temptation to snark about how "unscripted" ANW is, yes. Does that make it as cheap as you are claiming? No. What I meant by "super cheap" is when compared to other primetime shows. For example, 1 judge on NBC's The Voice reportedly get paid roughly $10 mil per season (source: www.latinospost.com/articles/38854/20140924/voice-season-7-much-money-judges-make-per-episode.htm ). I'm sure that times 4 (there are 4 judges) is astronomical compared to Iseman+Gbajawhatever+Brown. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 17, 2014 10:09:03 GMT -5
There's a bit more to it than that, cost wise. You are underestimating several aspects. First, "rent a field somewhere"? That's not what they do. The cities they choose are pretty big cities. For example, in ANW 6, the locations for qualifying were Venice Beach, Dallas, St. Louis, Denver, and Miami. It costs a fair bit of money to rent a location the size needed to put an obstacle course, never mind 5 of them. You say the contestants don't need to get paid. That's true for the contestants, but I highly doubt Ackbar and Matt commentate for free, Jenn Brown interviews for free, the security works for free, etc. That's not even factoring in the maintenance costs for the obstacles or anything else I'm missing. Is it cheap compared to a scripted series? Ignoring the temptation to snark about how "unscripted" ANW is, yes. Does that make it as cheap as you are claiming? No. What I meant by "super cheap" is when compared to other primetime shows. For example, 1 judge on NBC's The Voice reportedly get paid roughly $10 mil per season (source: www.latinospost.com/articles/38854/20140924/voice-season-7-much-money-judges-make-per-episode.htm ). I'm sure that times 4 (there are 4 judges) is astronomical compared to Iseman+Gbajawhatever+Brown. Very much agreed. That's what I meant by the contracts. Even doing appearance fees for certain stars during regionals is paultry by comparison to other NBC shows where they have to pay a per episode contract (like for a series). With a revolving door of free or cheap talent willing to show up on the show, it's practically nothing to keep that sustained for years on end. Also on top of that the costs don't go up each year. The obstacles are already built or at least most of it is easily assembled. Throughout the process they have learned how to move the course from one place to another so they can keep costs down due to just having the experience. |
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Post by greenday61892 on Oct 28, 2014 19:02:22 GMT -5
Hell.. look at survivor, that's rigged like crazy Ummmmm no. Survivor is not Big Brother |
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Post by Oti on Oct 28, 2014 19:07:59 GMT -5
A quick Google search has a lot of hits for Survivor being rigged. It's possible.
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Post by greenday61892 on Oct 28, 2014 19:12:00 GMT -5
Yeah see none of them are founded due to the fact that Survivor is classified as a GAME SHOW. Were it to be rigged the FCC would be on their case big time and we wouldn't be watching season 29 and receiving season 30 in the spring. Big Brother, on the other hand, hasn't been classified as a game show since season 8, conveniently the most rigged season in the history of the show.
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Post by Oti on Oct 28, 2014 19:16:58 GMT -5
Because things can't be rigged in ways that pass under the radar, and the FCC is always on top of their game. My mistake.
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Post by greenday61892 on Oct 28, 2014 20:10:20 GMT -5
If Survivor were rigged, we would hear about more lawsuits past the first season, contract or no contract. I can guarantee that with this game being for A MILLION DOLLARS, if someone felt like they were the victim of riggage they would say to hell with a contract because they didn't hold their end. Survivor is NOT RIGGED, end of story.
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Post by Oti on Oct 28, 2014 20:23:37 GMT -5
You're right. The consequences of breaching your contract could never outweigh the potential benefits, especially when the prize is a whole MILLION DOLLARS, which you would TOTALLY get to keep with NO TAXES or ANYTHING at ALL. Thank for clearing that up and driving the point home by declaring yourself correct at the end. It must NOT be RIGGED.
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Post by Ralf on Oct 29, 2014 9:28:40 GMT -5
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