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Post by dlee on Jul 8, 2014 0:30:39 GMT -5
Ryo does not deserve to win. I respect him as a fan of the show but I'd rather see Yuuji win again before him. lol yeah, come on man, you have to explain that statement. AND if you say it's because of the bodyweight of Ryo then your being ridiculous. Thats like saying Lebron doesn't deserve to win an NBA championship because he's just tall and can jump high. Messi doesn't deserve to win the World Cup because all he can do is run faster than the other players with a ball at his feet. An athlete plays the hand they are dealt and NOTHING comes without dedication and hard-work.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 8, 2014 0:53:35 GMT -5
Ryo does not deserve to win. I respect him as a fan of the show but I'd rather see Yuuji win again before him. I'm all in favor of having anyone who demonstrates respect and dedication to the show beating the whole course. Saying that a guy who (like Yuuji and many others) has spent many years of his life just trying to have a chance to compete on SASUKE does not deserve to win is a bold statement, and definitely does not reflect the good nature that the competition is all about. Though true of me to wish bad upon a competitor who is not Iketani's brother, I don't feel it's right to have a guy win who can't lift his weight over his head. It's not his fault the stages before his stage are too easy, but I might not even be impressed if he wins. I'm entitled to my opinion and that's it.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 8, 2014 0:56:44 GMT -5
Ryo does not deserve to win. I respect him as a fan of the show but I'd rather see Yuuji win again before him. lol yeah, come on man, you have to explain that statement. AND if you say it's because of the bodyweight of Ryo then your being ridiculous. Thats like saying Lebron doesn't deserve to win an NBA championship because he's just tall and can jump high. Messi doesn't deserve to win the World Cup because all he can do is run faster than the other players with a ball at his feet. An athlete plays the hand they are dealt and NOTHING comes without dedication and hard-work. An athlete getting a walk to his stage. Say as if Lebron got to the finals without playing and then wins Finals MVP. (Ryo gets an easy Stage 1 and 2 to pass (and barely on stage 2) and then shines in stage 3 because it was easy and on a totally separate day from stage 1.) I'll be impressed when he can lift a wall over his head or the stages get more difficult.
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Post by yamfriend on Jul 8, 2014 8:46:14 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of having anyone who demonstrates respect and dedication to the show beating the whole course. Saying that a guy who (like Yuuji and many others) has spent many years of his life just trying to have a chance to compete on SASUKE does not deserve to win is a bold statement, and definitely does not reflect the good nature that the competition is all about. Though true of me to wish bad upon a competitor who is not Iketani's brother, I don't feel it's right to have a guy win who can't lift his weight over his head. It's not his fault the stages before his stage are too easy, but I might not even be impressed if he wins. I'm entitled to my opinion and that's it. Fair enough. As you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions to show emphasized support for particular competitors. It just bothers me, however, when someone says "I do not want to see _____ win" like you did.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 8, 2014 9:57:59 GMT -5
Though true of me to wish bad upon a competitor who is not Iketani's brother, I don't feel it's right to have a guy win who can't lift his weight over his head. It's not his fault the stages before his stage are too easy, but I might not even be impressed if he wins. I'm entitled to my opinion and that's it. Fair enough. As you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions to show emphasized support for particular competitors. It just bothers me, however, when someone says "I do not want to see _____ win" like you did. Yukio is just a man who has had years and years of bad sportsmanship. That's on personality trait that irritates me to no end. Even with that I don't begrudge his Olympic medal. He won it fair and square. However, he's a disagreeable person and no one likes him. If he passed the first stage I don't have to like it but I don't "fail to acknowledge his success". I don't see that as the same thing. Even Sato clearing I acknowledged. Even Yamada whom I don't like personally, had he passed the first stage would I begrudge a result. Not acknowledging a clear or success because of a personal hang up where he cleared legally (and identical to others before him) is just sour grapes. It's just as bad as Yamada who said he wouldn't acknowledge Yuuji's first win because he didn't like his shoes. He's entitled to his own opinion but we also reserve the right to call him a moron for his less than sportsmanlike attitude. It's failing to understand what the show is all about. Anyway, Part 2 is up. not sure when 3 will be up. Headaches are constant these days so hoping the pattern of clusters dies down so i can actually get it done at a reasonable time.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 8, 2014 10:13:47 GMT -5
Anyway, Part 2 is up. not sure when 3 will be up. Headaches are constant these days so hoping the pattern of clusters dies down so i can actually get it done at a reasonable time. Uhhhm that wasn't the Power Ranger, Power Rangers is adapted from Super Sentai, Yokohama Ryuusei who was shown in the Navi was "the power ranger" because He's the green ranger in ToQger, Nagase Tasuku is from Kamen Rider, he was the secondary Rider in Kamen Rider Wizard, Kamen Rider Beast. (Also yes, those start line poses he did were very much related to his role in Kamen Rider) I'm WAAAAAY behind on my Tokusatsu so haven't seen much of Wizard and non of ToQger but just had to make that correction
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Post by arsenette on Jul 8, 2014 10:58:55 GMT -5
Rider.. they are all power rangers to me. LOL
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jul 8, 2014 13:29:03 GMT -5
It still amazes me that so many non-Japanese people do watch Sasuke so enthusiastically without understanding what they are saying, even shedding tears like you. I suppose that their body language tells the story, the universal language. I don't expect Nagano retiring the competition at the moment. I didn't hear any words even implying to retire from him. As for the Matachi's final-stage attack, it was so close. Not sure the slip at the spider climb made the difference between Kanzenseiha (total win) and the defeat, but he's got a good potential to beat the buzzer for the next few years. He's a good kid. As great as it would be to understand everything verbal while watching SASUKE-related footage, the nonverbal aspects of communication make it feasible for many non-Japanese-speaking viewers to have a general sense of what's being conveyed. I even wrote an essay on a particular SASUKE topic in one of my college classes last year in order to analyze this concept! Also, one moment that I personally am interested in having a translation for is Shiratori's post-run interview (specifically, if he mentioned anything about him having any future involvement with SASUKE, as a competitor or in any other respect for that matter). I'm sure many of us are very curious if/when we'll hear anything about him again! Oh, you are a mod. So it makes sense the level of passion you put into the shows, even choosing it as a topic for the college papers, even though I suspect that the majority of the students in your class don't know what Sasuke is all about. OK, give me some time. I will check the Shiratori's portion you requested, then do the translation to English.
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Post by SuperTiger on Jul 8, 2014 13:32:09 GMT -5
lol yeah, come on man, you have to explain that statement. AND if you say it's because of the bodyweight of Ryo then your being ridiculous. Thats like saying Lebron doesn't deserve to win an NBA championship because he's just tall and can jump high. Messi doesn't deserve to win the World Cup because all he can do is run faster than the other players with a ball at his feet. An athlete plays the hand they are dealt and NOTHING comes without dedication and hard-work. An athlete getting a walk to his stage. Say as if Lebron got to the finals without playing and then wins Finals MVP. (Ryo gets an easy Stage 1 and 2 to pass (and barely on stage 2) and then shines in stage 3 because it was easy and on a totally separate day from stage 1.) I'll be impressed when he can lift a wall over his head or the stages get more difficult. While I am not a Ryo fan myself, this is something I disagree with like a few others. I see your opinion and can respect it but I feel like when it pertains to Yuuji/Ryo that's more on production and the way they setup the course. They're very aware of what Yuuji/Ryo's weaknesses are so if they want to prevent kanzenseihas every 3-5 tournaments then they should add obstacles in that can stop them imo. You can't ever really say someone doesn't deserve to win. Regardless of if a course is toned down or not, it's still difficult, and people like Ryo put the work in day and night to try and defeat it.
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jul 8, 2014 13:46:47 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of having anyone who demonstrates respect and dedication to the show beating the whole course. Saying that a guy who (like Yuuji and many others) has spent many years of his life just trying to have a chance to compete on SASUKE does not deserve to win is a bold statement, and definitely does not reflect the good nature that the competition is all about. Though true of me to wish bad upon a competitor who is not Iketani's brother, I don't feel it's right to have a guy win who can't lift his weight over his head. It's not his fault the stages before his stage are too easy, but I might not even be impressed if he wins. I'm entitled to my opinion and that's it. Have to understand Matachi never learned swimming before Sasuke Rising, still a bad swimmer himself. Even a good swimmer exhausts most of his energy at the swimming tank. So it must be excruciatingly difficult to lift each wall with out of breath.
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Post by SuperTiger on Jul 8, 2014 13:54:03 GMT -5
Though true of me to wish bad upon a competitor who is not Iketani's brother, I don't feel it's right to have a guy win who can't lift his weight over his head. It's not his fault the stages before his stage are too easy, but I might not even be impressed if he wins. I'm entitled to my opinion and that's it. Have to understand Matachi never learned swimming before Sasuke Rising, still a bad swimmer himself. Even a good swimmer exhausts most of his energy at the swimming tank. So it must be excruciatingly difficult to lift each wall with out of breath. I'm sure the Backstream makes the Wall Lift more difficult, but Ryo has never been able to actually lift any of the walls. He crawled under them in 27.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 8, 2014 14:38:03 GMT -5
Have to understand Matachi never learned swimming before Sasuke Rising, still a bad swimmer himself. Even a good swimmer exhausts most of his energy at the swimming tank. So it must be excruciatingly difficult to lift each wall with out of breath. I'm sure the Backstream makes the Wall Lift more difficult, but Ryo has never been able to actually lift any of the walls. He crawled under them in 27. My last point on the topic is that Sasuke is supposed to be the hardest course in the world. But for the 1st time, if the course remains the same, the winner would not have won the hardest course in the world and it would devalue his or her win. So unless the course gets harder in stage 1 and 2, I won't be too impressed by the winner regardless of who it is. I'm just not rooting for Ryo or Yuuji.
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jul 8, 2014 15:39:42 GMT -5
Post 1st-stage-run interview of Bunpei Shiratori
Interviewer: How's your knees and lower back / hips?
Shiratori: Well, I didn't feel any discomfort while I was running the course.
Interviewer: How about the next one (Sasuke)?
Shiratori: Well… Let me see...
Interviewer: You mentioned that you will take responsibility... (and will decide to retire officially?)
Shiratori: Yes, but after I've done it, well, as long as I could still run...mmmm
End of the interview
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jul 8, 2014 15:55:39 GMT -5
I'm sure the Backstream makes the Wall Lift more difficult, but Ryo has never been able to actually lift any of the walls. He crawled under them in 27. My last point on the topic is that Sasuke is supposed to be the hardest course in the world. But for the 1st time, if the course remains the same, the winner would not have won the hardest course in the world and it would devalue his or her win. So unless the course gets harder in stage 1 and 2, I won't be too impressed by the winner regardless of who it is. I'm just not rooting for Ryo or Yuuji. They think that the gap between the wall and the ground has to be there for safety reasons. On the other hand, that gap allows competitors to get through crawling under the wall. The solution could be banning crawling under-the-wall maneuver, at the same time decreasing the weight of the walls to 20, 30, and 40kg.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 8, 2014 16:04:41 GMT -5
My last point on the topic is that Sasuke is supposed to be the hardest course in the world. But for the 1st time, if the course remains the same, the winner would not have won the hardest course in the world and it would devalue his or her win. So unless the course gets harder in stage 1 and 2, I won't be too impressed by the winner regardless of who it is. I'm just not rooting for Ryo or Yuuji. They think that the gap between the wall and the ground has to be there for safety reasons. On the other hand, that gap allows competitors to get through crawling under the wall. The solution could be banning crawling under-the-wall maneuver, at the same time decreasing the weight of the walls to 20, 30, and 40kg. And he still wouldn't be able to lift them.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 8, 2014 17:08:53 GMT -5
Something feels off about this tourney. I never really felt excited throughout it even though it was one of the best, results-wise.
I just wasn't really interested in stage 1 until the end. Takeda's digest really annoyed me and put me off a bit. It had its moments such as the facepaint dude coming close, the 3 fast runs (Ryo, Drew, Asa) and Nagano. But Takeda's digest and then the others later on, ugh. Oh yeah Bruce Lee made me smile.
Stage 2 was alright other than the lame SSL fails. The end of the stage with the Backstream and the Wall Lift was awesome. The SSL needs to go, though. I'm completely bored of it and the fails sucked. The Wall Lift is better now, though I can't help but feel ehh when someone slides under it. At least Yuuji tried lifting it.
Stage 3 was pretty good, though I missed the last few runs. The Drum thing was really good and I'm surprised no one failed it (iirc). Pipe Slider should be made a bit harder but it's a good stage.
Stage 4 is perfect, but there wasn't any tension or anything this time.
So to sum up this tourney, why did they have to digest the competitors I actually wanted to see? I just couldn't really get into this tournament at all, sorry.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 8, 2014 17:22:12 GMT -5
Post 1st-stage-run interview of Bunpei Shiratori Interviewer: How's your knees and lower back / hips? Shiratori: Well, I didn't feel any discomfort while I was running the course. Interviewer: How about the next one (Sasuke)? Shiratori: Well… Let me see... Interviewer: You mentioned that you will take responsibility... (and will decide to retire officially?) Shiratori: Yes, but after I've done it, well, as long as I could still run...mmmm End of the interview That's...quite interesting. Shiratori's not saying he will run Sasuke 31...but he's not ruling it out. Is that an accurate interpretation?
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Post by dlee on Jul 8, 2014 17:53:41 GMT -5
I'm sure the Backstream makes the Wall Lift more difficult, but Ryo has never been able to actually lift any of the walls. He crawled under them in 27. My last point on the topic is that Sasuke is supposed to be the hardest course in the world. But for the 1st time, if the course remains the same, the winner would not have won the hardest course in the world and it would devalue his or her win. So unless the course gets harder in stage 1 and 2, I won't be too impressed by the winner regardless of who it is. I'm just not rooting for Ryo or Yuuji. I applaud you for defending your point. Your problem is with the course designers tho and has not much to do with the competitors. They go out there and do their best. Off topic but I would love to see you go post some training videos on the training board. You must train like a beast if you think this course is easy! Any course with the CCH & Vertical Limit = to me, the exact opposite of easy. And unless they make a rule for it EVERYONE is going to continue to use any technique they can to get past the walls. When they hear the countdown it's just all desperation. (example is Yasuke this year when he tried that little trick on the 2nd last wall instead of the last wall because he knew he was almost out of time) Everyones going to crawl unless they have loads of time.
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jul 8, 2014 17:54:42 GMT -5
Post 1st-stage-run interview of Bunpei Shiratori Interviewer: How's your knees and lower back / hips? Shiratori: Well, I didn't feel any discomfort while I was running the course. Interviewer: How about the next one (Sasuke)? Shiratori: Well… Let me see... Interviewer: You mentioned that you will take responsibility... (and will decide to retire officially?) Shiratori: Yes, but after I've done it, well, as long as I could still run...mmmm End of the interview That's...quite interesting. Shiratori's not saying he will run Sasuke 31...but he's not ruling it out. Is that an accurate interpretation? Yes, that is the accurate interpretation. That being said, he mentioned that he participated in the competition, the 30th because he couldn't come to the 20th and other commemorative ones. So could be one time only, considering his age. Yet I hardly know him, so I cannot guess what he's thinking, what kind of action he's going to take. But the final sentence in the interview kind of implies that he's got some motivation and would like to participate in the next one.
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Post by AussiePete on Jul 8, 2014 18:24:58 GMT -5
And unless they make a rule for it EVERYONE is going to continue to use any technique they can to get past the walls. When they hear the countdown it's just all desperation. (example is Yasuke this year when he tried that little trick on the 2nd last wall instead of the last wall because he knew he was almost out of time) Everyones going to crawl unless they have loads of time. Maybe they could add a catch that's around knee-height, so once it was lifted to there it can't drop lower and it's safe to scoot under. And then other catches higher up so once it is lifted to waist, shoulder, head etc it won't drop below that. That would also make good visuals -- showing Kenji standing on the red carpet with three fully-lifted walls behind him. It would also stop me cringing when I see the walls hit people in the back as they run underneath them. I'm hesitant to say "add a rule that you have to lift it at least to the first catch" because then we could have disqualification and that would be less exciting than the current setup -- if they make it to the button they're clear.
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