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Post by scnoi1217 on May 27, 2013 16:56:14 GMT -5
Hey guys,
The broadcast for SASUKE 29 is a month away and I think it is a good time to start looking into how to watch SASUKE 29. Veetle had a lot of problems last year and I can speak for the other admins that a new streaming site would be better. That is why we want to start a discussion on which sites would be best to host the stream. We are trying to stay away from the bigger sites such as livestream, justin.tv, etc because typically they shut down the streams quickly.
If you guys have any suggestions, let's list them in this thread. Also, if people with other operating systems such as Mac, linux, etc (I have PC so I can test it on my comp), that would help out as well.
Once we come to a consensus, I'll update the first post of this thread.
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Post by Anshin on May 27, 2013 16:59:53 GMT -5
As it stands now, our only viable option (while not preferred because of problems with Sasuke 28), is Veetle.
Current Options: - Veetle
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Post by SKC99 on May 27, 2013 17:05:37 GMT -5
I'm a little confused right now because I only saw the last hour of Sasuke 28, and I didn't have any problems with streaming. (I watched it via the chat room on SMF - Which I Think Is The Best Option!)
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Post by Anshin on May 27, 2013 17:38:28 GMT -5
We had alot of problems with some users that couldn't get the Veetle stream to work either via the direct veetle stream page, or the embedded streams on SMF. This was caused by problems with installing the plugin, or incompatible operating systems (Mac and Linux users reported issues getting it to work); and while the Android version worked on smartphones and tablets, the iOS version didn't work at all for some users, but worked for others.
We're trying to avoid those issues again if other options are available, and this is why we're crowdsourcing potential options to get away from the Veetle platform.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 27, 2013 18:43:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this is off-topic but will there be a mobile option? Ideally something I can use on WiiU browser but an iOS option is just fine as long as it works
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Post by Anshin on May 27, 2013 19:44:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this is off-topic but will there be a mobile option? Ideally something I can use on WiiU browser but an iOS option is just fine as long as it works We need the front-end to be HTML5 or Flash based, which provides the greatest compatibility across almost every device imaginable, whether that be Windows, OS X, Linux, iOS, Android, or a gaming console. In the event that we have to go with a system that utilizes it's own browser plugin or device driver of some sort (like Veetle with it's plugin), we need to make sure that it's compatible on the most systems possible. With that in mind, our priorities are as follows... Primary Objectives:Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8 - Internet Explorer (for the love of God, please use something else, or at least update to version 9 or later) - Mozilla Firefox - Google Chrome - Apple Safari (5.1.7 and earlier, discontinued after) - Opera Mac OS X - Apple Safari - Mozilla Firefox - Google Chrome Mobile Devices - iOS - Android Secondary Objectives:Linux & Unix-like Operating Systems - Chromium - Konqueror - Mozilla Firefox Tertiary Objectives:Video Game Handhelds & Consoles - Internet Channel (Wii, DS, DSi) - Based on Presto (Opera upto v12.15) - Internet Browser (WiiU) - Based on WebKit (Chrome upto v28 & Safari) - Internet Browser (PS3 / PSP / PS Vita) - based on WebKit (Chrome upto v28 & Safari)
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Post by thatoneuser on May 27, 2013 19:53:47 GMT -5
Off topic: Konqueror has to be the sexiest browser name in the history of mankind.
On topic: Is Ustream/Livestream out of the option? Both seem to work pretty well.
EDIT: I seem to remember a 50 viewer limit with Livestream when we used it for SASUKE 23 but I believe that limitation no longer exists.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 27, 2013 19:56:36 GMT -5
iOS (probably android too but that doesn't help me) should also be a priority too, more people are probably going to be watching on iosdevices than me on WiiU lol
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Post by Anshin on May 27, 2013 20:02:16 GMT -5
Off topic: Konqueror has to be the sexiest browser name in the history of mankind. On topic: Is Ustream/Livestream out of the option? Both seem to work pretty well. EDIT: I seem to remember a 50 viewer limit with Livestream when we used it for SASUKE 23 but I believe that limitation no longer exists. Off-Topic: Yes, yes it is. I'm uber jealous. On-Topic: The problem with Livestream came because of the 50 viewer limit and the fact that they would shut down our streams. The same applies to most of the other big streaming sites. There's always the option of trying again, but is it worth the risk? In terms of technical specs, we'd love to use something like Livestream, Ustream, or Justin.tv (Twitch.tv is Justin.tv's video game streams), as they would allow us to reach the biggest audience with the least amount of problems (flash and HTML5 options are available); but they almost always shut us down and/or limit us in other forms.iOS (probably android too but that doesn't help me) should also be a priority too, more people are probably going to be watching on iosdevices than me on WiiU lol Last year, I think we had no more than 3 people on iOS, and 2 of which were those involved in getting the stream setup, just to test if it worked. With the WiiU's browser being built on WebKit, it would be logical to assume that it could be supported right out of the box (since it's what Safari and Chrome are based on), but that's also assuming that the option we choose is based on Flash or HTML5 (ie: no plugins required). If we go with an option that requires a plugin, that's going to cut out the WiiU entirely (anything the plugin can't be installed on).
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Post by SKC99 on May 27, 2013 21:08:30 GMT -5
Also, is it better with a laptop or a PC because I use a PC but I watched Sasuke 28 with a laptop I had for vacation?
Another thing, which internet browser would probably work best? (Chrome, Firefox, etc.)
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 27, 2013 21:08:40 GMT -5
Well the Wii U browser does not have flash, so html5 is a better option since it is supported.
I know ustream never had a problem with a camera recording of American Ninja Warrior when robby stremed the G4 episodes, Dunno how Sasuke viable it is though
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Post by Anshin on May 27, 2013 21:51:36 GMT -5
PC or laptop won't matter, it's just a matter of screen size and comfort in that regard. Your operating system and browser shouldn't matter so as long as you're closer to the top of the priorities list as well, but once we've finalized details for the stream, we'll let you know for sure.
Well, good to know about the no flash option on the WiiU browser, I'll keep it in mind, but obviously the priorities do have to be made.
And if ustream didn't have many problems with ANW, which is an American IP, I doubt it's going to have as many problems with an international IP that isn't even available stateside (anymore). We could do a few trial runs with some older competitions to verify though.
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Post by supernovamaniac on May 27, 2013 22:55:51 GMT -5
Justin/ustream. There are other options, but these two are reliable.
I will post more about this once I get home from casting.
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Post by dudesky1000 on May 27, 2013 23:53:37 GMT -5
Not to be a downer but there MUST be an alternative to Veetle, it just doesn't work for everyone and if we were wise we would be looking into alternatives starting today. I know I will be, even though I won't be around to watch the live stream this time. Last time was just a complete mess, and hugely disappointing for several members. Justin/Ustream is confirmed to work for EVERYONE on the priority list, whereas Veetle, still has NOT been confirmed to work for all. Unless we can do a test night with Veetle, I discourage solely counting on it again.
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Post by TCM on May 28, 2013 1:14:56 GMT -5
Could vShare work? I've never used it myself to broadcasr, but usually when some things find their way to stream on vShare it stays afloat, depending on the host. There are a couple negatives I know about: You need a plugin, and chances are it likes Chrome/Firefox more, and depending on whether you consider this a positive or negative, there's no search function, so we need to actively give out the ID to people in order to watch, and we all know how some people simply don't understand that.
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Post by Anshin on May 28, 2013 2:28:21 GMT -5
Justin/ustream. There are other options, but these two are reliable. I will post more about this once I get home from casting. These are fine for our content? You haven't been shutdown mid-broadcast with these? I know we had problems with a few of them in the past. Not to be a downer but there MUST be an alternative to Veetle, it just doesn't work for everyone and if we were wise we would be looking into alternatives starting today. I know I will be, even though I won't be around to watch the live stream this time. Last time was just a complete mess, and hugely disappointing for several members. Justin/Ustream is confirmed to work for EVERYONE on the priority list, whereas Veetle, still has NOT been confirmed to work for all. Unless we can do a test night with Veetle, I discourage solely counting on it again. We're discussing options now for that reason? That's what the point of this topic is? Point being, yes, we know Veetle sucks, but by comparison, it was our only option at the time. We're looking for both compatibility with systems AND not getting shutdown mid-broadcast. Livestream/Ustream/Justin.tv/Twitch.tv are all big name sites that typically monitor for this kind of activity. We can try them again, but there's no guarantees that they will work as we could get shut down or have the number of viewers limited dramatically. Could vShare work? I've never used it myself to broadcasr, but usually when some things find their way to stream on vShare it stays afloat, depending on the host. There are a couple negatives I know about: You need a plugin, and chances are it likes Chrome/Firefox more, and depending on whether you consider this a positive or negative, there's no search function, so we need to actively give out the ID to people in order to watch, and we all know how some people simply don't understand that. Sounds like it's a bit more hassle than Veetle was. Nonetheless, I'll take a look at it and see if it's a good fit or not.
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Post by TCM on May 28, 2013 4:40:37 GMT -5
I've never had problems with vShare shutting down (that wasn't my fault), which honestly is the only reason I mentioned it.
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Post by jams on May 28, 2013 9:29:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say Veetle sucked when it worked fine for a large majority of users for over 2 years. It is extremely popular for live events like UFC and NFL football because of the low chance of being shutdown. It also has plugins for Windows, Mac, Linux, and apps for iOS/Android, all of which have probably been updated since our last event. If people install the proper plugin, and can view a random channel on their site, then they should be fine for the broadcast. If it doesn't work then they have a month to figure out if they need to update flash, check their browser settings, disable ad blockers, etc.
No matter which option you end up choosing it is inevitable there will be a small percentage of people who will have issues with their computer/browser and won't be able to watch the event. They will naturally be upset and be the most vocal giving an impression that the issue is bigger than it really is.
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Post by arsenette on May 28, 2013 9:48:21 GMT -5
My concern is how many people will buy WIST.. I am going to scream again that people better not be relying on Jason (again for the umpteenth time) to provide the stream diluting his own stream and costing him money because of excess bandwidth.
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Post by Anshin on May 28, 2013 10:16:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say Veetle sucked when it worked fine for a large majority of users for over 2 years. It is extremely popular for live events like UFC and NFL football because of the low chance of being shutdown. It also has plugins for Windows, Mac, Linux, and apps for iOS/Android, all of which have probably been updated since our last event. If people install the proper plugin, and can view a random channel on their site, then they should be fine for the broadcast. If it doesn't work then they have a month to figure out if they need to update flash, check their browser settings, disable ad blockers, etc. No matter which option you end up choosing it is inevitable there will be a small percentage of people who will have issues with their computer/browser and won't be able to watch the event. They will naturally be upset and be the most vocal giving an impression that the issue is bigger than it really is. The truth has never been spoken more clearly. Though anything that's not flash or HTML5 by default limits the audience to those competent enough to install the plugin. If it's not as easy as going to YouTube, we're going to have a very vocal minority. My concern is how many people will buy WIST.. I am going to scream again that people better not be relying on Jason (again for the umpteenth time) to provide the stream diluting his own stream and costing him money because of excess bandwidth. Probably not many, but I'm going to be trying to get my own WIST for this reason alone.
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