How to Watch SASUKE 29 - Discussion

[arsenette]

Btw it might be best to explain to the new people what WIST is if they want to see it themselves. I know a few people bought it for the first time with 28/Rising's broadcast to watch all 3 shows (Overseas, Navi and the tourney) and were happy since they didn't have to share a stream.

[Philip]

The issue is it's 30 bucks a month, but that's better than adding Japanese TV to a cable package.

[jams]

I've already made it known to the admins and a few others that I will be out of town and won't be able to help stream/record with my WIST this time around. I'm disappointed my streak of seeing them live since 21 will be broken.

For those who don't know WIST is a company that provides Japanese TV feeds for a price. Their service costs $29.99 per month and can be cancelled at any time. I usually order the week before the event and then cancel before the next billing cycle. Their web site is www.wist.tv and you can register at www.wist.tv/regist/. This is the source that Jason and I have been using since Sasuke 23(?) to provide the main streams/recordings.

I'm glad to see Anshinritsumai is looking at getting a stream. If there is another member, or group of members sharing the cost, willing to share a stream then you guys could offer multiple options with Veetle, Ustream, or whatever.

[supernovamaniac]

May 28, 2013 9:29:24 GMT -5 jams said:

I don't think it's fair to say Veetle sucked when it worked fine for a large majority of users for over 2 years. It is extremely popular for live events like UFC and NFL football because of the low chance of being shutdown. It also has plugins for Windows, Mac, Linux, and apps for iOS/Android, all of which have probably been updated since our last event. If people install the proper plugin, and can view a random channel on their site, then they should be fine for the broadcast. If it doesn't work then they have a month to figure out if they need to update flash, check their browser settings, disable ad blockers, etc.

No matter which option you end up choosing it is inevitable there will be a small percentage of people who will have issues with their computer/browser and won't be able to watch the event. They will naturally be upset and be the most vocal giving an impression that the issue is bigger than it really is.

That's what happens in life. You don't like something, you make it sound like there was some huge issue.

If there are people purchasing WIST and have enough CPU power, having a backup stream wouldn't be a bad idea. Sure, we still have Veetle as the main service (so easy to get through copyright stuff through that website), but there are just better services out there that caters to a lot more people, and someone else should use the service to make sure that 1: If Veetle, for some reason, isn't working on the day of, we can all switch to the backup stream and 2. Satisfy more people this time around.

[scnoi1217]

I mentioned this to Andrew, but I would be willing to split the cost of WIST with him.

I was thinking that another way to approach this is to try to stream it in as many places as possible. For sports streams, there is usually a huge list of stream links in a number of different sites. I think we could do something similar.

For example, someone with WIST can stream it on a site, such as bambuser listed above. Then, other people record their screens of watching the bambuser stream on other sites: livestream, justin, veetle, etc. Of course, the quality of the secondary streams will be a little poorer, but I think this is one way to go if our WIST streams are in short supply. Plus the more streams we have running, the better chance that everyone will have a service that works for them.

[yamfriend]

Scnoi, regarding the secondary streams option that you mentioned: will you need additional people to help out with that? Because I can help out using my Ustream account.

[supernovamaniac]

May 29, 2013 8:22:26 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

I mentioned this to Andrew, but I would be willing to split the cost of WIST with him.

I was thinking that another way to approach this is to try to stream it in as many places as possible. For sports streams, there is usually a huge list of stream links in a number of different sites. I think we could do something similar.

For example, someone with WIST can stream it on a site, such as bambuser listed above. Then, other people record their screens of watching the bambuser stream on other sites: livestream, justin, veetle, etc. Of course, the quality of the secondary streams will be a little poorer, but I think this is one way to go if our WIST streams are in short supply. Plus the more streams we have running, the better chance that everyone will have a service that works for them.

Though I would have worried about degrading video framerate few years ago when we started doing this, the technology these days makes it so much easier to restream something with 60fps as long as the internet's not bad.

It might be little poorer, but with proper setup, it shouldn't matter much.

Now with streaming programs.

In the past, we had livecaster (when we used livestream). I have no idea what Veetle used, as I never really used the website except for SASUKE. However, it seemed reliable and whoever is streaming on Veetle should use that client.

For other websites, there are two popular options right now:
1. Xsplit.
This program was made for people to have studio-like production. The paid version allows you to stream with 60fps while the free version alows you to stream with 30fps. If you do not have latest version of Windows installed, this is the way to go because the second option does not support older version of Windows.

2. Open Broadcaster Software
This project started as free alternative to Xsplit. While the production is not as good as Xsplit (if you were doing a show), it has everything one needs for gaming channel (first person view) and restream. It also doesn't eat up a lot of CPU power compared to Xsplit (Xsplit begs to differ, but OBS just consumes less). Only problem with OBS is UI. For people who aren't familiar, it would take them some time before they get used to the user interface of the program.

[SKC99]

May 29, 2013 20:30:06 GMT -5 supernovamaniac said:

May 29, 2013 8:22:26 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

I mentioned this to Andrew, but I would be willing to split the cost of WIST with him.

I was thinking that another way to approach this is to try to stream it in as many places as possible. For sports streams, there is usually a huge list of stream links in a number of different sites. I think we could do something similar.

For example, someone with WIST can stream it on a site, such as bambuser listed above. Then, other people record their screens of watching the bambuser stream on other sites: livestream, justin, veetle, etc. Of course, the quality of the secondary streams will be a little poorer, but I think this is one way to go if our WIST streams are in short supply. Plus the more streams we have running, the better chance that everyone will have a service that works for them.

Though I would have worried about degrading video framerate few years ago when we started doing this, the technology these days makes it so much easier to restream something with 60fps as long as the internet's not bad.

It might be little poorer, but with proper setup, it shouldn't matter much.

Now with streaming programs.

In the past, we had livecaster (when we used livestream). I have no idea what Veetle used, as I never really used the website except for SASUKE. However, it seemed reliable and whoever is streaming on Veetle should use that client.

For other websites, there are two popular options right now:
1. Xsplit.
This program was made for people to have studio-like production. The paid version allows you to stream with 60fps while the free version alows you to stream with 30fps. If you do not have latest version of Windows installed, this is the way to go because the second option does not support older version of Windows.

2. Open Broadcaster Software
This project started as free alternative to Xsplit. While the production is not as good as Xsplit (if you were doing a show), it has everything one needs for gaming channel (first person view) and restream. It also doesn't eat up a lot of CPU power compared to Xsplit (Xsplit begs to differ, but OBS just consumes less). Only problem with OBS is UI. For people who aren't familiar, it would take them some time before they get used to the user interface of the program.

So what is the newest version of Windows? I think it's 7 because I don't think 8 has been released yet(I have Windows 7).

Also, will we have to go to a separate website or can we pick our stream from the chat room?

[Anshin]

May 29, 2013 21:10:24 GMT -5 SKC99 said:

So what is the newest version of Windows? I think it's 7 because I don't think 8 has been released yet(I have Windows 7).

Also, will we have to go to a separate website or can we pick our stream from the chat room?

Windows 8 has been out for a few months, it's coming pre-installed on most mass-produced desktop and laptop computers (ie: Dell), as well as most non-iPad or non-Android tablets.

As for specific streams in the chat room, we'll probably end up having just the main stream there, with backups as links; depending on the setup, which again will be determined as we get closer to the broadcast and finalize our details.

[supernovamaniac]

May 29, 2013 21:10:24 GMT -5 SKC99 said:

May 29, 2013 20:30:06 GMT -5 supernovamaniac said:

Though I would have worried about degrading video framerate few years ago when we started doing this, the technology these days makes it so much easier to restream something with 60fps as long as the internet's not bad.

It might be little poorer, but with proper setup, it shouldn't matter much.

Now with streaming programs.

In the past, we had livecaster (when we used livestream). I have no idea what Veetle used, as I never really used the website except for SASUKE. However, it seemed reliable and whoever is streaming on Veetle should use that client.

For other websites, there are two popular options right now:
1. Xsplit.
This program was made for people to have studio-like production. The paid version allows you to stream with 60fps while the free version alows you to stream with 30fps. If you do not have latest version of Windows installed, this is the way to go because the second option does not support older version of Windows.

2. Open Broadcaster Software
This project started as free alternative to Xsplit. While the production is not as good as Xsplit (if you were doing a show), it has everything one needs for gaming channel (first person view) and restream. It also doesn't eat up a lot of CPU power compared to Xsplit (Xsplit begs to differ, but OBS just consumes less). Only problem with OBS is UI. For people who aren't familiar, it would take them some time before they get used to the user interface of the program.

So what is the newest version of Windows? I think it's 7 because I don't think 8 has been released yet(I have Windows 7).

Also, will we have to go to a separate website or can we pick our stream from the chat room?

I'll see if there's some code to interchange the stream from the chatroom. I have some time on my hands (when I'm not working/casting), and will look into this further.

Latest version is 8. However, OBS does support 7 for sure, and probably supports vista.

EDIT: To Anshinritsumai, honestly Justin didn't block several tournaments (not sure on the last one), and Ustream seemed little more lenient on blocking stuff, probably because they're lazy. There is a chance that it will get blocked mid-stream, yes. However, we'll always have the main one up and running.

[SKC99]

May 29, 2013 21:52:30 GMT -5 supernovamaniac said:

May 29, 2013 21:10:24 GMT -5 SKC99 said:

So what is the newest version of Windows? I think it's 7 because I don't think 8 has been released yet(I have Windows 7).

Also, will we have to go to a separate website or can we pick our stream from the chat room?

I'll see if there's some code to interchange the stream from the chatroom. I have some time on my hands (when I'm not working/casting), and will look into this further.

Latest version is 8. However, OBS does support 7 for sure, and probably supports vista.

EDIT: To Anshinritsumai, honestly Justin didn't block several tournaments (not sure on the last one), and Ustream seemed little more lenient on blocking stuff, probably because they're lazy. There is a chance that it will get blocked mid-stream, yes. However, we'll always have the main one up and running.

Will Xsplit also work?

[supernovamaniac]

May 29, 2013 22:53:51 GMT -5 SKC99 said:

May 29, 2013 21:52:30 GMT -5 supernovamaniac said:

I'll see if there's some code to interchange the stream from the chatroom. I have some time on my hands (when I'm not working/casting), and will look into this further.

Latest version is 8. However, OBS does support 7 for sure, and probably supports vista.

EDIT: To Anshinritsumai, honestly Justin didn't block several tournaments (not sure on the last one), and Ustream seemed little more lenient on blocking stuff, probably because they're lazy. There is a chance that it will get blocked mid-stream, yes. However, we'll always have the main one up and running.

Will Xsplit also work?

Xsplit works on every Windows platform. The issue with Xsplit is, it is 30fps and there is watermark. You do not get high quality stream unless you pay for the premium account.

If you can, use OBS. But if you must, use Xsplit.

(BTW, Xsplit/OBS is for those who are interested in STREAMING the event)

[scnoi1217]

May 29, 2013 11:57:27 GMT -5 yamfriend said:

Scnoi, regarding the secondary streams option that you mentioned: will you need additional people to help out with that? Because I can help out using my Ustream account.

Yam, yes that is perfect! Something like this will definitely work and if we can get more people on different sites it will help greatly.

[RiderLeangle]

I totally just remembered I did restream with ustream a while back (25? 26? I know 24 was livestream which went to s*** lol) and that didn't have any problem so they should be a safe site

[Anshin]

Are there any restrictions on the number of viewers for ustream?

[supernovamaniac]

Jun 3, 2013 22:47:30 GMT -5 Anshin said:

Are there any restrictions on the number of viewers for ustream?

None.

They learned from livestream and why they sucked.

[Anshin]

We'll probably put Ustream as our #1 option then. Anything that doesn't restrict the number of viewers and doesn't use plugins is the best option for us.

Still need the other options as backups just in case though.

[scnoi1217]

Sweet so Ustream is #1 and livestream can be a small backup. Are there any known problems with ustream? I've used it before on PC so I can vouch that it works well there.

[Philip]

Will we still have a Veetle stream? Just wondering.

[dudesky1000]

Ustream #1? Huzzah!

As the producer of my film I pushed back production from that week to August, so I will in fact be able to watch live again!!!