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Post by arsenette on Feb 25, 2009 23:18:08 GMT -5
Not by far the worst.. his record is only bad because he sat out a few of the Sasuke's .. Yamada has him beat by sucking in EVERY tournament for the past 5 years.  |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Feb 25, 2009 23:58:43 GMT -5
Well let's look at the numbers:
After Sasuke 4, Yamada beat the 1st Stage 6 times (5,6,9,10,11,12) while Akiyama beat the 1st Stage 3 times (11,12,16). Both have cleared the 2nd Stage twice, with both making it to the Pipe Slider at least once. If we calculate the results between Sasuke 6 and 17 (minus 13 because of Yamada's absense), the numbers come out to be:
Yamada - 28.65 pts.
Akiyama - 22.17 pts.
Also, to Venus's comment about beating the whole course has to do something, it did. Akiyama got 17.75 points for that one tournament. So while Akiyama is the more likable guy by far, Yamada has done better. But both of them are pretty far back compared to their fellow All-Stars.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 26, 2009 0:07:44 GMT -5
Yamada has missed 1 competition while Akiyama has missed.. how many? Hardly a comparison and to automatically think he would do worse than him in the missing ones is a bit harsh. Even in 20.. he did better than Yamada. Just a thought. Can't wait to see him in 22.
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Post by talledega7 on Feb 26, 2009 0:48:02 GMT -5
I will just say:
Yamada: 10 first stage clears.
Akiyama: 6 first stage clears.
Yamada: 4 Second Stage clears
Akiyama: 3 Second Stage clears
Yamada: 1 Third Stage clear (pre-Cliff Hanger)
Akiyama: 1 Third Stage clear (first Cliff Hanger tournament)
So, in general, Yamada is the better early stager, while Akiyama is equal in Stage 3 and much better rope climber.
Any mention of Akiyama's eyes is bull. He doesn't use them as an excuse, no one else should either.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Feb 26, 2009 0:55:37 GMT -5
Updated:
1. Makoto Nagano - 127.31
2. Toshihiro Takeda - 92.04
3. Shingo Yamamoto - 77.34
4. Bunpei Shiratori - 59.34
5. Katsumi Yamada - 49.05
6. Kazuhiko Akiyama - 45.45
7. Naoki Iketani - 45.4
8. Shunsuke Nagasaki - 44.5
9. Hiroyuki Asaoka - 39.92
10. Daisuke Nakata - 34.1
11. Jordan Jovtchev - 32.62
12. Koji Yamada - 32.57
13. Kane Kosugi - 30.35
14. Kenji Takahashi - 24.68+ (two other appearances we don't know about?)
15. Shinji Kobayashi - 23.21+ (don't know scores for 12, 18, 19, 20)
16. Omori (Monkey) - 24.54
17. Masāki Kobayashi - 21.56
Eiichi Miura - 16.17
Takayuki Kawashima - 15.5
Shane Kosugi - 12.87
Yuji Washimi - 5.937+ (3 other appearances we don't know)
More to come.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Feb 26, 2009 0:59:45 GMT -5
Yamada has missed 1 competition while Akiyama has missed.. how many? Hardly a comparison and to automatically think he would do worse than him in the missing ones is a bit harsh. Even in 20.. he did better than Yamada. Just a thought. Can't wait to see him in 22. No, no. I didn't mean to imply that he would do worse than him in the missing ones...I merely said that Yamada's record is slightly better than Akiyama's. Looking back at the records, it was a bit of an exaggeration to say that Akiyama was worse by far. In no way am I trying to bash Akiyama. Believe me, I think he's great and it would be amazing to see him clear in Sasuke 22. But even having compete has got me excited for Sasuke 22. |
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Post by gazzawhite on Feb 26, 2009 3:50:05 GMT -5
Wow this is great! I always wanted to have some sort of comparison between the competitors, and this is the most accurate I've seen by far. The only other person that I can think of who reached the third stage at least 3 times is Ken Hasegawa, but then again he only competed 3 times I think.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 26, 2009 5:22:24 GMT -5
Yamada has missed 1 competition while Akiyama has missed.. how many? Hardly a comparison and to automatically think he would do worse than him in the missing ones is a bit harsh. Even in 20.. he did better than Yamada. Just a thought. Can't wait to see him in 22. No, no. I didn't mean to imply that he would do worse than him in the missing ones...I merely said that Yamada's record is slightly better than Akiyama's. Looking back at the records, it was a bit of an exaggeration to say that Akiyama was worse by far. In no way am I trying to bash Akiyama. Believe me, I think he's great and it would be amazing to see him clear in Sasuke 22. But even having compete has got me excited for Sasuke 22. Ah! I mistook ya. Remember.. I'm a huge Akiyama fan and a lot of people don't give him enough credit for what he has done. Most think his victory was a fluke when clearly it wasn't. Still to this day if his eyesight would have been better we would be talking more about him than Nagano. Or better yet.. a nice friendly rivalry between them. They are really close friends. |
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Post by Homeslice on Feb 26, 2009 8:31:42 GMT -5
Wow this is great! I always wanted to have some sort of comparison between the competitors, and this is the most accurate I've seen by far. The only other person that I can think of who reached the third stage at least 3 times is Ken Hasegawa, but then again he only competed 3 times I think. I thought he competed more than that - in some of the other tournaments (like 8 or 9) I was certain I saw him on G4 being fast-forwarded as he failed the Quintuple Step. Maybe someone else dressed like him? |
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Post by talledega7 on Feb 26, 2009 8:43:23 GMT -5
Wow this is great! I always wanted to have some sort of comparison between the competitors, and this is the most accurate I've seen by far. The only other person that I can think of who reached the third stage at least 3 times is Ken Hasegawa, but then again he only competed 3 times I think. I thought he competed more than that - in some of the other tournaments (like 8 or 9) I was certain I saw him on G4 being fast-forwarded as he failed the Quintuple Step. Maybe someone else dressed like him? Lots of people have dressed like ninjas on the course. He was the first, but there is usually one person in every tournament who does it. But none of them ever get past the first or second obstacle. |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Feb 26, 2009 11:58:58 GMT -5
According to the Japanese wiki, they list him as only competing 3 times. Although, one line in their says that he may have competed more than that.
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Post by Badalight on Feb 27, 2009 14:11:42 GMT -5
I'll give credit where it's due, Akiyama deserved his win.
But he doesn't have a very impressive record.
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Post by gazzawhite on Feb 28, 2009 4:09:15 GMT -5
OK I tried to help out and calculate some numbers for other competitors. I don't know if I have all the tournament attendances correct (they may have competed in tournaments that I don't know about), so I listed the tournaments that I used in the calculations. That way, if there was a tournament that I missed, you can simply add the appropriate number.
Ken Hasegawa: 20.75 (1,2,3)
Tatsuya Yamamoto: 14.25 (2,3)
Hiroaki Yoshizaki: 12.92 (2,4,6)
Kinnikun Nakayama: 9.03 (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13,15).
Kosuke Yamaguchi: 8.86 (12,13,14)
Lee Yen Chi: 8.58 (17,18,21)
Daisuke Miyazaki: 8.17 (20,21)
Manabu Satou: 8.14 (12,13)
Morgan Hamm: 8.03 (14,15,16)
Takuyu Ueda: 8 (2,4)
Paul Hamm: 7.94 (14,15,16)
Hikaru Tanaka: 7.875 (2,3)
Minoru Matsumoto: 7.75 (3)
Tadashi Yo: 7.75 (1)
Travis Alan Schraeder: 7.58 (4,5)
Paul ANTHONY Terek: 7.375 (17,19)
Hironori Kuboki: 7.3 (7,8)
Shigeyuki Nakamura: 7 (2,6)
Masakazu Ebihara: 6.5 (2)
Yoshiaki Hatakeda: 6.3 (6)
Shoei: 5.6 (6,8)
Kenjiro Ishimaru: 5.46 (9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,21)
Kota Honma: 5.396 (13,14,15,17,20)
Yuta Adachi: 5.125 (17)
Terukazu Ishikawa: 5.125 (14)
Yoshihito Yamamoto: 4 (1,2)
James Okada: 4 (7)
Toyohisa Ijima: 3.04 (1*,2,4,7,8,9,10,11, missing 3,5,6, and 2nd stage in 1)
Tomihiro Tatsukawa: 0.81 (2,3,4,7,8,9,10, definitely think I'm missing a few here)
Minoru Kuramochi: 0.65 (9,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20)
Masami Harashima: 0.64 (9,11,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21, so I'm missing 2 tournaments)
Koriki Choshu: 0.17 (15,18,19,20)
Yasuo Aoki: 0
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Post by davidyko on Mar 1, 2009 9:33:42 GMT -5
Dude, awesome job. I haven't checked any of them, but I definitely will for some. Nice to see the point system actually kinda works. EDIT: And looking back, now we know why the All-Stars are called the All-Stars, because they're the top 6 on the list (at least for now), haha. Admittedly Akiyama is only ahead of Iketani by 0.05, but still. |
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Post by gazzawhite on Mar 2, 2009 16:35:49 GMT -5
Thanks man  Almost all of the records were obtained purely from G4 broadcasts, so I'm probably missing some tournaments for some competitors, especially superman (because I know he made it to the jump hang once). I think I calculated every competitor who has made at least 2 2nd stages or 1 3rd stage, except Shusuke Sato, because I don't remember how far he got in tournament 1. The point system is really good, even for competitors with only a few tournaments (Terek and Schraeder had almost identical scores for their good runs, which I think is appropriate). And yes your system does quite nicely place the all-stars at the very top. I kinda always thought Asaoka could have been an all-star, he made quite a few 3rd stages and even a final stage, and his score would have been similar to Akiyama's and Shiratori's at the time he stopped. Maybe he just wasn't consistent enough. |
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Post by davidyko on Mar 3, 2009 1:49:25 GMT -5
I get 2.07 for Superman, taking into account all 10 attempts. More to come later. |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Mar 3, 2009 2:42:48 GMT -5
The only problem that I can see with the system now is that it might favor people who did well early on. Should Tadashi Yo really be higher than Paul Terek or TAS? If anything I would think the numbers for the lower tournaments should be decreased based on its difficulty compared to later stages. So, for example: Sasuke 18-21's 2nd Stage should be higher than Sasuke 1-4's Third Stage.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Mar 3, 2009 11:51:25 GMT -5
1. Makoto Nagano - 127.31
2. Toshihiro Takeda - 92.04
3. Shingo Yamamoto - 77.34
4. Bunpei Shiratori - 59.34
5. Katsumi Yamada - 49.05
6. Kazuhiko Akiyama - 45.45
7. Naoki Iketani - 45.4
8. Shunsuke Nagasaki - 44.5
9. Hiroyuki Asaoka - 39.92
10. Daisuke Nakata - 34.1
11. Jordan Jovtchev - 32.62
12. Koji Yamada - 32.57
13. Kane Kosugi - 30.35
14. Kenji Takahashi - 24.68+ (two other appearances we don't know about?)
15. Shinji Kobayashi - 23.21+ (don't know scores for 12, 18, 19, 20)
16. Omori (Monkey) - 24.54
17. Masāki Kobayashi - 21.56
18. Ken Hasegawa: 20.75
19. Eiichi Miura - 16.17
20. Takayuki Kawashima - 15.5
21. Tatsuya Yamamoto: 14.25 (2,3)
22. Hiroaki Yoshizaki: 14.21
23. Shane Kosugi - 12.87
24. Levi Meeuwenberg - 10.67
25. Kinnikun Nakayama: 9.03 (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13,15).
26. Kosuke Yamaguchi: 8.86
27. Manabu Satou: 8.85
28. Lee Yen Chi: 8.58
29. Daisuke Miyazaki: 8.17
30. Morgan Hamm: 8.03
31. Takuyu Ueda: 8 (2,4)
32. Hironori Kuboki: 7.96
33. Paul Hamm: 7.94
34. Hikaru Tanaka: 7.875
35. Minoru Matsumoto: 7.75 (3)
36. Tadashi Yo: 7.75 (1)
37. Travis Alan Schraeder: 7.58
38. Paul ANTHONY Terek: 7.375
39. Shigeyuki Nakamura: 7 (2,6)
40. Masakazu Ebihara: 6.5 (2)
41. Yoshiaki Hatakeda: 6.3
42. Yuji Washimi - 5.937+
43. Shoei: 5.6 (6,8)
44. Kenjiro Ishimaru: 5.46 (9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,21)
45. Kota Honma: 5.396 (13,14,15,17,20)
46. James Okada: 5.17
47. Yuta Adachi: 5.125
48. Terukazu Ishikawa: 5.125
49. Yoshihito Yamamoto: 4 (1,2)
50. Toyohisa Ijima: 3.04 (1*,2,4,7,8,9,10,11, missing 3,5,6, and 2nd stage in 1)
51. Tomihiro Tatsukawa: 2.07
52. Minoru Kuramochi: 0.65 (9,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20)
53. Masami Harashima: 0.64 (9,11,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21, so I'm missing 2 tournaments)
54. Koriki Choshu: 0.17 (15,18,19,20)
55. Yasuo Aoki: 0
For future reference, whenever adding to this list, copy/paste to your post and then tell what changes you made.
Added in more results for a few more people, if they don't have tournaments next to their name, they've been checked and added to. (Manabu Sato jumped two spots based on his Sasuke 10 performance), Kuboki jumped a ton of spots based on his Sasuke 6 performance (Warped Wall)).
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Post by davidyko on Mar 6, 2009 6:29:56 GMT -5
One thing to note is that in the ranking is only accurate up to say, 40th or so. There are plenty of people in the vicinity of Kuramochi, Harashima, and Aoki, lol.
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Post by Homeslice on Mar 6, 2009 9:02:25 GMT -5
15. Shinji Kobayashi - 23.21+ (don't know scores for 12, 18, 19, 20) In 20 Kobayashi failed at the Jumping Spider. They did show him on TV (he wore #1985). 21 though, we don't know how that turned out. (Manabu Sato jumped two spots based on his Sasuke 10 performance), How did Satou do in 10? I don't think I saw him on TV. I know they said he was in 11 as well but I didn't see him then either. I only saw him in 12 and 13. One thing to note is that in the ranking is only accurate up to say, 40th or so. There are plenty of people in the vicinity of Kuramochi, Harashima, and Aoki, lol. Yeah, like should we give a 0 to Ku Honpei for his slip in 21? LOL. |
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Almost all of the records were obtained purely from G4 broadcasts, so I'm probably missing some tournaments for some competitors, especially superman (because I know he made it to the jump hang once). I think I calculated every competitor who has made at least 2 2nd stages or 1 3rd stage, except Shusuke Sato, because I don't remember how far he got in tournament 1.