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Post by milktruck on May 22, 2012 18:43:29 GMT -5
Then again, seeing Americans go on the old course like Travis Allen Schroeder and Paul Terek make me think their body weight will just slow the log down and allow them to descend. TAS was the man that year he dominated. His pipe slider fail could have been avoided, its too bad we couldnt see him on stage 4.
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Post by penguincatfish on May 22, 2012 21:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 22, 2012 21:15:02 GMT -5
Yea I meant to mention that to Rider when I got home. Yes you should have... You're the one who told me Jo was 15 in the first place
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Post by baronbk on May 26, 2012 21:48:44 GMT -5
Just watched the SW semis and I didn't catch this in person (I also can't believe no one else here caught it), but Dan MAst COMPLETELY failed the Salmon Ladder! Penguin even has the screen grab of it! You can clearly see the bar isn't even on a rung when he supposedly "saved" it! Wow, soooo in shock he went through.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 26, 2012 22:05:37 GMT -5
Actually I noticed that when it aired, never thought it was a big deal, because technically that should be legal since we have Sasuke evidence of it... Remember in Sasuke 25 when Yuuji had a wtf fail? He was still in until his foot dipped the water after falling down a notch... he was just hanging on the bar just hanging by the stopper on one side... he couldn't do s**t but he was still technically in it. So I don't see how this is different, same ruling, he just could recover
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Post by baronbk on May 26, 2012 22:12:57 GMT -5
The reason that he's still in it is because of the safety line. You can see that it's tight on the left side of the pic. Completely different.
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Post by dudesky1000 on May 26, 2012 22:16:02 GMT -5
Yeah Rider thats entirely different. There were no caps on the ANW salmon ladder. It was all string. Very strange...didn't other people fall off when the bar came off the rungs? Or is it a new safety precaution after Jake Smith conked his head ;D lol
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 26, 2012 22:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by baronbk on May 26, 2012 22:18:31 GMT -5
Its been there before, but it looked like it only dropped a little below the rungs (as can be seen with other fails). I think it was just a freak instance, but he definitely failed
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 26, 2012 22:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah Rider thats entirely different. There were no caps on the ANW salmon ladder. It was all string. Very strange...didn't other people fall off when the bar came off the rungs? Or is it a new safety precaution after Jake Smith conked his head ;D lol The safety lines have been there since they introduced the Salmon Ladder in ANW2, including in ANW3 when Jake cut his face on the bar, he was still on the bar on safety lines even Its been there before, but it looked like it only dropped a little below the rungs (as can be seen with other fails). I think it was just a freak instance, but he definitely failed Yeah, he was completely off on one side. Like I've been trying to say, I think nothing in the Salmon Ladder says the bar has to be on on both sides, I think it's confirmed as long as the bar is still in at least one side of one notch you're still legally in
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Post by baronbk on May 26, 2012 23:22:15 GMT -5
But if one side is literally being supported by the safety line, I think it's a disqualification. Or at least it should be since it would physically be impossible to hold the bar up on one side.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 27, 2012 0:16:16 GMT -5
But if one side is literally being supported by the safety line, I think it's a disqualification. Or at least it should be since it would physically be impossible to hold the bar up on one side. I dunno.... I'm going by the logic yuuji wasn't dqed for holding on with the bar on one side of the notch... Maybe there's some kind of vagueness here...
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Post by arsenette on May 27, 2012 2:38:54 GMT -5
But if one side is literally being supported by the safety line, I think it's a disqualification. Or at least it should be since it would physically be impossible to hold the bar up on one side. I dunno.... I'm going by the logic yuuji wasn't dqed for holding on with the bar on one side of the notch... Maybe there's some kind of vagueness here... If safety line was removed he would have fallen thus = disqualification If the stoppers were there and held him up it's okay so long as he didn't touch the water. Granted not even Yuuji could recover from that and we all basically knew it.. but that's basically it.
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Post by thebra on May 27, 2012 5:17:50 GMT -5
I just watched the SW finals and my first thought was that it was definitely a fail on the Salmon Ladder.
It kind of reminded me of when Travis Schroeder (Sasuke 4?) fell off the tracks on the pipe slider and was dq'ed because the bar was just hanging from the support wires. He was still hanging and trying to muscle through it but was still dq'ed
Different obstacle but still, I always thought the reason for the support wires being there was to make resetting easier, not as a way to help competitors on the obstacle.
I'm guessing the producers just didn't catch it since he kept moving and didn't staying hanging on the wire for that long...Also they probably would have rather have more completions rather than fails on technicalities.
I know in Dallas there were several females who were grabbing the back of the quad steps and during the course orientation we were told that was a DQ but they never called the girls on it (never saw a guy do it), primarily because I think they would have rather seen them get wet instead of called out on a DQ. I still think it's completely silly to have the support wires on the salmon ladder to begin with, seeing as plenty of people have made their own now that certainly don't need them. Oh well, just my two cents.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on May 27, 2012 15:13:46 GMT -5
That Dan Mast safety line situation does remind me of TAS in SASUKE 4.
Unlike the people in charge of SASUKE who seem to pay a lot of attention to these situations, we get bush–league people in charge of ANW from the top down.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 27, 2012 15:17:35 GMT -5
That Dan Mast safety line situation does remind me of TAS in SASUKE 4. Unlike the people in charge of SASUKE who seem to pay a lot of attention to these situations, we get bush–league people in charge of ANW from the top down. One of the midwest sources I know told me that there was only one judge watching, and if he missed something he missed something... (The source said he saw a bunch of people grabbing the back of the steps and not get called on it)
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on May 27, 2012 17:28:42 GMT -5
I can't say that I'm surprised to hear about the use of only one judge. It's like officiating in professional wrestling. Now I won't feel sorry anymore for blasting the ANW producers.
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