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Post by mrbignich128 on Apr 9, 2012 1:17:17 GMT -5
should kenji takahashi be considered an all-star?
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Post by arsenette on Apr 9, 2012 1:29:58 GMT -5
should kenji takahashi be considered an all-star? Every so often the word "all-star" and "who should be" in the same sentence comes up. I am of the opinion that no one in the Western Hemisphere understand wtf that word means to TBS. They created that moniker to a choice few of people who carried the show after Kane Kosugi left. That word has different meaning to TBS than it does to anyone else. So no.. he will never be an all-star. Kongo already has a title. It's "Veteran". |
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Post by jchloupek on Apr 9, 2012 11:52:17 GMT -5
I interpret the question as based on the consistency of performance of Kongu, as compared to the designated All-Stars, not whether he fit within the criteria of the TBS network in seeking to promote Sasuke to Japanese audiences. By that standard, Takahashi is indeed an All-Star (as is of course Urushihara, Okuyama, Li En Zhi, and others). There is no need to be belittling in response to a question asked in good faith, as not all of us here are as steeped to the minutiae of this passion of ours as others.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 9, 2012 15:07:57 GMT -5
I interpret the question as based on the consistency of performance of Kongu, as compared to the designated All-Stars, not whether he fit within the criteria of the TBS network in seeking to promote Sasuke to Japanese audiences. By that standard, Takahashi is indeed an All-Star (as is of course Urushihara, Okuyama, Li En Zhi, and others). There is no need to be belittling in response to a question asked in good faith, as not all of us here are as steeped to the minutiae of this passion of ours as others. Given that this postboard has a search function this question comes up every couple of months. You may change the definition of All-star but when a question like that is asked it's best to explain why there are no additional ones. Especially considering why Yuuji isn't one of them and he's 2-time champion.  |
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Post by dudesky1000 on Apr 9, 2012 15:20:45 GMT -5
I interpret the question as based on the consistency of performance of Kongu, as compared to the designated All-Stars, not whether he fit within the criteria of the TBS network in seeking to promote Sasuke to Japanese audiences. By that standard, Takahashi is indeed an All-Star (as is of course Urushihara, Okuyama, Li En Zhi, and others). There is no need to be belittling in response to a question asked in good faith, as not all of us here are as steeped to the minutiae of this passion of ours as others. Given that this postboard has a search function this question comes up every couple of months. You may change the definition of All-star but when a question like that is asked it's best to explain why there are no additional ones. Especially considering why Yuuji isn't one of them and he's 2-time champion. Pretty much this exactly. Although Kong's certainly a favorite, and he WAS competing around the time that the group that would become the All Stars was making their name on the show, he left after SASUKE 7 and wasn't around when the Kosugis made their exit. If he HAD competed in 8, he may have been one... he fit the profile pretty well, a working class non-pro athlete with no name. |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 9, 2012 18:17:43 GMT -5
Competing in 8 wasn't exactly the requirement, in 8 Nagano failed the Soritatsu Kabe and Bunpei didn't even have his first run on the course until 9 (And he went out in the same spot). But let me just say this SLOWLY since everyone asks "Should _x_ be an All Star"... The All Stars are the group they are, there will be no changes to the lineup... the 6 we have are going to be the only All Stars. The designation is not given because of results (although granted that was one of the initial things but doing good now won't get you in...), TBS originally picked the All Stars because they were the competitors who did decent enough and promoted the hell out of Sasuke (or at least were popular enough), Let's go down the list... Akiyama Kazuhiko: The only person to ever win the course, so easily was the face of Sasuke back then, they couldn't make a group like this without including him Yamamoto Shingo: One of the few competitors who had perfect attendance back then (and now is the only one but that's long after all star status), consistently cleared and was just a normal working guy, his familiarity and relatability easily made him a fan favorite. Yamada Katsumi: Like Shingo he had perfect attendance and consistent clears, but on top of that he did all kinds of promotion for Sasuke, so easily a TBS favorite  Takeda Toshihiro: Another normal guy who did great at the course, another fan favorite because who could dislike him. Nagano Makoto: A Trials competitor who after failing the same obstacle twice, built one, and moved on to the third stage and almost cleared when no one else made it that far in the hardest stage 3 Sasuke had ever seen at that time, not to mention his continual rise to making it to the final stage, of course he'd be a fan favorite. Shiratori Bunpei: He did one of the best Sasuke gimmicks they had ever seen at the time, building his own course (Sure with people like the UNCLI guys and David it's not the feat it once was, but back then it was unheard of), and on top of that his spread Sasuke Mania to his whole village, of course TBS would love that. So yeah we have good competitors but the All Stars are an established group, there aren't going to be any changes... The closest we're getting is a new group, I'm sure you've noticed people being lumped into Shin Sei and Shin Sedai (New Stars and New Generation), but no new All Stars... |
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Post by dudesky1000 on Apr 9, 2012 18:27:49 GMT -5
When I said competing in 8 I just meant that by having 2 (potentially) Third Stage runs in a row he could have put himself on the radar.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 9, 2012 19:27:36 GMT -5
Well he would also have to not just competed in 8, but kept competing in 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 along with all his runs already |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Apr 10, 2012 12:14:56 GMT -5
Nagano Makoto: A Trials competitor What?  |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 10, 2012 12:20:26 GMT -5
Nagano Makoto: A Trials competitor What? I'm pretty sure it's been said many times he competed in 6's trials and wasn't able to make it to the actual tournament despite qualifying so was given a spot in 7 |
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Post by jchloupek on Apr 10, 2012 12:28:31 GMT -5
Well, again I am assuming the original questioner, who seems to have been scared away by the brouhaha, was making the colloquial assumption that "all-star" status was earned by accomplishment, not designation, and thus was not intentionally flaunting his ignorance to agitate the connoisseurs of Sasuke who took to answer the question. If he was a known troll, I apologize for taking umbrage on his behalf. On the other hand, to exhibit competitiveness in displays of knowledge of the back-story of Sasuke is antithetical to the spirit of the program that we all love for precisely that reason-genuine sportsmanship existing within all-out competition. If you tire of teaching the masses of the joy of Sasuke, in all its contradictory detail, silence is a viable option.
BTW, OT I do not believe Urushihara's Sasuke 27 Kanzenseiha was as impressive as has been extolled on this board because he had to climb a shorter total distance (66 vs. 75 feet) in a longer period of time (40 vs. 30 seconds) as compared to the pre-Sasuke 22, post-Sasuke 4, final stage. I know some would argue that the pure rope climb of 27 is more difficult then either the heavenly rope of 24 or the spider climb of 17, but even if literally true the concept of the final stage as separating the best from the rest requires making the final stage progressively tougher. not easier. For example, when Ayako Miyake achieved consecutive Kanzenseihas in the Konoichi 4-5 tournaments the final stage was not simplified; instead, the time limit was reduced from 35 to 30 seconds. Nonetheless, she was able to repeat one more time in a row, albeit with only .066 seconds to spare. In Sasuke 27, if they thought the pure rope climb was indeed making the final stage more difficult (as compared to simple laziness or cheapness) then the time limit should have reverted to 30 seconds, or the length of rope to climb should have been increased from 75 to 90 feet while keeping the new 40 second time limit. If the athletes are getting better and better over the years, as I believe to be true, then the goals to achieve should become harder to achieve (e.g., 6500 yard golf courses on the PGA tour would be a joke given the improvement in training and equipment as compared to the 1950s and 1960s-winning tournaments with that easy a course would mean less then doing so on a 7200-75000 yard course). Also, having rewatched the 22-23 third stage competitions last night, the third stage in 27 pales in comparision-other then the UCH everything in 27 was child's play as far as strength, grip, or endurance. Bring back the body prop, drop the jumping bar, substitute the UCH for the shin cliffhanger, then go with the 22-23 third stage. Do that, then drop the final stage time limit to 30 seconds while making the rope climb distance 75 feet and you would have a Sasuke worthy of today's athlete, including Nagano.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Apr 10, 2012 12:36:25 GMT -5
What? I'm pretty sure it's been said many times he competed in 6's trials and wasn't able to make it to the actual tournament despite qualifying so was given a spot in 7 I've never heard that before. I heard (maybe from Arsenette?) he was invited as an alternate in 6 but he couldn't make it. Nothing about trials. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 12:44:26 GMT -5
One of Nagano's younger shipmates was a fan of Sasuke. He showed Nagano a video of Sasuke. He knew that Nagano had always been very athletic, so he suggested that Nagano send in an application. Nagano did it as a joke, thinking he wouldn't get in. But they accepted his application. They told him he was invited only a week before the next tournament, Sasuke 6, so he couldn't get off work in time. He competed for the first time in the following tournament, Sasuke 7.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 10, 2012 15:17:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's been said many times he competed in 6's trials and wasn't able to make it to the actual tournament despite qualifying so was given a spot in 7 I've never heard that before. I heard (maybe from Arsenette?) he was invited as an alternate in 6 but he couldn't make it. Nothing about trials. Exactly that. He only participated in trials for 11 which EVERYONE had to do but he was never a "trials" competitor. He was invited to 6 literally a couple days before it was going to air because someone they had invited fell through so that's probably where Rider got the "6" from. As for the OP. Sorry if I came off harsh but when you are on a board for 4 years and you see the same thread over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.. it gets testy. Then people come to defend the OP who clearly didn't use the search button because it was written several dozen times as it comes up every couple of months we here get testy about it. Just like those who don't read the forums rules and whatnot and feign ignorance when told about it. Just like those who create threads in duplicate because the wording in the looks different but the content is the same. The problem with the All-Star threads is that it's an excuse to tear down other competitors because it doesn't fit the "latest" false description of what "All-Star" is. Then it becomes a b*tch thread about how "you are wrong and he is superior" because of different definitions of All-Stars when clearly there is only ONE definition of All-Star that westerners have difficulty swallowing. Thus the reason why we get a diatribe about how Yuuji sucks even though this thread was clearly about Kongo. THIS is the reason why these threads are squashed regardless of who the hell starts the thread in the first place. There are 6 All-stars. These were designated by TBS years ago and the people outside of the 6 who have demonstrated a long and friggin' awesome record have had other titles deemed on them by TBS. Having arguments on why others are not clearly dismissing the original and only definition of All-star acceptable is nothing but trolling. Period. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 17:06:10 GMT -5
I thought it was Sasuke 13 where everyone had to compete in trials. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 10, 2012 17:31:09 GMT -5
I thought it was Sasuke 13 where everyone had to compete in trials. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Whichever it was.. it's frankly irrelevant to the point of this thread. |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 10, 2012 21:00:10 GMT -5
I've never heard that before. I heard (maybe from Arsenette?) he was invited as an alternate in 6 but he couldn't make it. Nothing about trials. Exactly that. He only participated in trials for 11 which EVERYONE had to do but he was never a "trials" competitor. He was invited to 6 literally a couple days before it was going to air because someone they had invited fell through so that's probably where Rider got the "6" from. OK... Sorry for my derp... But still... the rest of my post still stands... The All Stars are an established group and doing good does not automatically add you to them... |
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