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Post by yamfriend on Mar 11, 2012 4:58:23 GMT -5
The fact that TBS has virtually never aired re-broadcasts of SASUKE in its original format (or any other M9 programs) from everything I've heard confuses me. I understand that SASUKE is nowhere close to being the most popular show on that channel (much less Japanese television), but besides airing shortened versions of a few recent tournaments before the newest ones on 1 or 2 occasions (such as an abridged version of 23 before 24's premiere) I don't ever remember anyone mentioning anything about them re-broadcasting tournaments whatsoever. In the U.S. and many other countries, TV networks tend to broadcast shows at least once. Obviously more popular programs are likely to re-air more common than less popular ones, but practically all of them are shown again at some point or another. For example, if I turn on a channel right now and look at its schedule for the week, I'm likely to find that any still-running show on that channel will be on at least once at some point(s) during the week, whether it be every few hours or for a half-hour at 2 in the morning. Meanwhile, SASUKE has been on TBS for nearly 15 years and basically the only time it's on the schedule is for a new tournament. Point blank, is this policy different with TBS and most other Japanese stations when compared to those of other countries? Or is it in part due to SASUKE being a "special program"?  I apologize if this question has already been answered somewhere else here on the forum, but I've never understood the general process for how TBS decides how and when (or, better yet, if) they show certain programs more than once. |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 11, 2012 5:53:13 GMT -5
.. you do realize that the advent of reruns doesn't exactly exist as a whole in Japan.. right? Not just Sasuke.. television in general is like that regardless of content.
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Post by lostinube on Mar 11, 2012 5:56:30 GMT -5
1) You're confusing two things: reruns/repeats and syndication. Reruns of popular shows that are still running are placeholders for that shows usual timeslot. Once a show hits roughly the 100 episode mark it may be marketed for syndication. Hence the fact that in the US you can see an episode of Law & Order (and spin-offs) pretty much any time of the day.
2) Japan doesn't do reruns for the most part. Unlike the US, there is no rerun season in Japan. The only things that are regularly shown multiple times over a year/over multiple years are movies and the occasional specials (like TBS and the Japanese Americans mini-series) but it's rare. To do a repeat of a regular show during Golden Time (Prime Time) would mean ratings death for that channel. If a drama is popular it will come back as a 90 minute special or in some rare cases, a whole new series that is a continuation. NHK will re-air shows but that's because it is not directly competing with the other channels. Afternoons and late nights are filled with variety programming or overseas shows. Weekend afternoons may sometimes have repeat shows but those are usually of long running variety shows and those episodes are not usually very old, maybe a year or two at the most. Note: day and night programming may chance due to the affiliate stations. Bigger cities have extra new programming that only air in select markets. SASUKE Maniacs was an example of a show that was only for the Tokyo area and nowhere else.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 11, 2012 12:18:24 GMT -5
And besides all of what ube said, you're forgetting one very important thing, that how things are done with TV in America and Japan are COMPLETELY different... You're listing examples from personal experience of american tv... Like ube said, Reruns are bad business in japan, hell, if you want to bring america in as an example, Look at the "big" channels, the major networks, you don't see them doing reruns too often unless they're out of made episodes, Sasuke is a special that airs like two or three times a year tops. (Hell... I'm sure G4 aired the hell out of it but have you seen ANW3 on NBC again?)
For reruns of Sasuke you should be lucky that TBS Channel is giving Ninja Warrior as an on demand selection. (If that news is still true, I don't know if they pulled it)
And one more comment that didn't fit in elsewhere... Another thing to consider about how different the tv markets are in japan and america are... What woulkd be considered a horrible rating in japan would be something studios would be proud of here... Sasuke 25, the lowest rated tournament, got a 7.5% and was considered a failure... If that was a rating for something in america the network would be celebrating... You can't compare business practices...
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Mar 11, 2012 12:47:07 GMT -5
I have a question. How are reruns a ratings killer in Japan but not in America?
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Post by The Chief on Mar 11, 2012 13:38:06 GMT -5
I have a question. How are reruns a ratings killer in Japan but not in America? I would say that it's because the ratings. 10% might be enough to win the night in America, but in Japan, you could be talking about 11th or 12th place. So you have more people saying "I haven't seen this yet" in America, so you get higher ratings. |
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Post by lostinube on Mar 11, 2012 15:53:43 GMT -5
I have a question. How are reruns a ratings killer in Japan but not in America? From www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2005/09/the_reason_for_the_season.htmlThe major networks in the US adhere to this schedule for the most part. Note the item in the parentheses. Summer replacement shows were often things like music variety shows, a genre now dead in the US but still alive (although comedy replaces music for the most part) in Japan: www.tvparty.com/variety3.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_television_dramaThe breaks between drama seasons are usually only a few weeks long and are filled with specials and one-off shows like SASUKE. Japan basically churns out new programming day in and day out. It's basically the difference the "traditional" (9 months plus long summer vacation) and year-round school (shorter vacations that are cumulative throughout the year). The reason reruns work in America and not in Japan is the same: everyone does it. All of the networks in the US have a rerun "season" and even if a show premieres during that time to get ratings, it balances out over the year because it has to go on hiatus eventually. Reality shows, which are cheaper to make, are starting to break the cycle. In Japan, no one is doing reruns which makes it too risky to even try. |
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 11, 2012 18:51:09 GMT -5
1) You're confusing two things: reruns/repeats and syndication. Reruns of popular shows that are still running are placeholders for that shows usual timeslot. Once a show hits roughly the 100 episode mark it may be marketed for syndication. Hence the fact that in the US you can see an episode of Law & Order (and spin-offs) pretty much any time of the day. 2) Japan doesn't do reruns for the most part. Unlike the US, there is no rerun season in Japan. The only things that are regularly shown multiple times over a year/over multiple years are movies and the occasional specials (like TBS and the Japanese Americans mini-series) but it's rare. To do a repeat of a regular show during Golden Time (Prime Time) would mean ratings death for that channel. If a drama is popular it will come back as a 90 minute special or in some rare cases, a whole new series that is a continuation. NHK will re-air shows but that's because it is not directly competing with the other channels. Afternoons and late nights are filled with variety programming or overseas shows. Weekend afternoons may sometimes have repeat shows but those are usually of long running variety shows and those episodes are not usually very old, maybe a year or two at the most. Note: day and night programming may chance due to the affiliate stations. Bigger cities have extra new programming that only air in select markets. SASUKE Maniacs was an example of a show that was only for the Tokyo area and nowhere else. I completely understand why they wouldn't put reruns of any programs in their Prime Time slots due to the reasons you and Rider discussed, but are you saying that practically all shows in Japan are shown only once or twice (whether they're specials or ongoing series)? In other words, aren't there any rerun times at all for their more popular, weekly programs or do those follow a similar pattern to those of special programs? Because if that's the case I don't see how people who watch shows on those channels are able to keep up-to-date with series that have weekly or even daily episodes (i. e. dramas and soap operas). The only other way I could imagine that someone could keep up with these types of shows other than seeing the episodes as they air is by watching recordings posted online, though even these aren't always easily accessible (or at least aren't from what I already know). Also, is it unheard of for Japanese stations like TBS to have additional channels for their extensive amounts of programs (similar to what Nickelodeon has done with its sister channels) or would something like this be too expensive and/or impractical for a station like TBS? |
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Post by lostinube on Mar 11, 2012 21:07:19 GMT -5
All the stations have their own broadcast satellite channels but those are not primarily for reruns either, they are for things like overseas shows and other new programming. The other slots are for TV shopping or reruns of extremely popular (usually quite old) shows.
They also have on demand channels. On the TBS version, you can order the Ninja Warrior version of SASUKE.
Also, Japan has been a bit faster compared to the US when it comes to making their dramas available for sale or rental on DVD.
If you miss a show, you wait for the DVD. That's only for dramas though. If you miss something else like a variety show or sports event, that's it. You've missed it.
Shorter post: Yes, almost all TV shows are shown on TV only once, especially if they are specials and variety shows.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2012 4:26:42 GMT -5
Bigger issue I think makes sense why Japan doesn't it and USA does is simple. Competition. There are HOW many channels in the USA? Japan's market is much smaller thus the competition for ratings are much more severe. If you are not doing original programming the viewer is not inclined to watch what it is you are viewing. Hell.. USA did this for decades until the advent of cable where the amount of available content skyrocketed. While Japan does have cable.. the general market has not changed viewing habits. Personally I like the idea of turning on the TV and not having a rerun. That's what DVD sales should be for and brings more value to the actual product. Either way that's another subject altogether. If you remember the post last year we had on ratings and Ube found a huge post on the impact that Japan going full HD was going to have on TBS it should help in understanding the Japan market. With TBS having more competition thanks to more channels pulling for advertising revenue in the same market they previously had a monopoply on.. the chances of reruns actually goes down.. not up.
As a fan the only thing we can hope for is the sale of DVD's for Sasuke. With M9 out of the picture the ball is now on TBS' court. Unless they see the value of selling that we are pretty much SOL.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 12, 2012 12:14:07 GMT -5
I thought they were switching to digital, not just full hd, it was like america's switch away from analog
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Post by watchingtv on Apr 3, 2012 14:37:13 GMT -5
Japan doesn't have dvr/vhs/dvd-r?
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Post by arsenette on Apr 3, 2012 15:18:38 GMT -5
Japan doesn't have dvr/vhs/dvd-r? They do.. how does that change the fact that they don't do reruns?  |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 3, 2012 21:11:12 GMT -5
Japan doesn't have dvr/vhs/dvd-r? They do.. how does that change the fact that they don't do reruns? Yeah... They do have those over there... that's still reliant on catching the first showing... Where do yuo think we get our tbs broadcasts from? |
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Post by welshhills on Apr 4, 2012 20:47:07 GMT -5
I guess we're really lucky in the UK that we seem to have loads of original programmes and reruns too. Most drama series and documentaries are on dvd as soon as the last episode is broadcast, and there are many channels devoted to reruns. Challenge is the only one for quizzes and games though (some going back 40 years) and Takeshi's Castle is now on about it's 150th rerun of every programme! and has anyone ever won? So I'm hoping when TC has finished it will be the turn of Sasuke again with the addition of 27. I know we've seen it on the streaming and U-tube but it's not the same as seeing it on tv.
As regards Japanese broadcasting, the documentaries about the tsunami which were first shown on NHK have now re-appeared on our domestic channels, with several other programmes about what has happened since (or not).
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Post by arsenette on Apr 4, 2012 21:05:46 GMT -5
I guess we're really lucky in the UK that we seem to have loads of original programmes and reruns too. Most drama series and documentaries are on dvd as soon as the last episode is broadcast, and there are many channels devoted to reruns. Challenge is the only one for quizzes and games though (some going back 40 years) and Takeshi's Castle is now on about it's 150th rerun of every programme! and has anyone ever won? So I'm hoping when TC has finished it will be the turn of Sasuke again with the addition of 27. I know we've seen it on the streaming and U-tube but it's not the same as seeing it on tv. As regards Japanese broadcasting, the documentaries about the tsunami which were first shown on NHK have now re-appeared on our domestic channels, with several other programmes about what has happened since (or not). TC? Yeah 7 winners over the God knows how many years TC was on.. www.keshiheads.co.uk/faq.html I know Keshiheads are avid watchers of TC and have been bugging Challenge to get more episodes for a few years now! LOL USA is the same with DVD's. When first season of anything is done airing on TV they start hawking the DVD's almost immediately! LOL Japan doesn't seem to be that way outside of some anime. Which is a shame. I think Sasuke would sell quite well if done properly. We've also been bugging Challenge for 27 to be done already. We tweet Jim North all the time to see if he's started dubbing yet! LOL |
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Post by lostinube on Apr 5, 2012 1:39:10 GMT -5
DVDs come out in Japan for shows all the time, just not with the speed that the US does and just not of many variety and sports shows.
NHK is very different from the other channels so anything they do is not necessarily what the rest of the industry will do.
Selling. Eh. Renting DVDs of shows (along with CDs and comics) is still a big thing in Japan. Music concert DVDs, which are sometimes shown on cable, seem to be the big sellers whereas TV shows and movies move the rental rankings more.
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I apologize if this question has already been answered somewhere else here on the forum, but I've never understood the general process for how TBS decides how and when (or, better yet, if) they show certain programs more than once.
