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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Mar 1, 2012 0:56:49 GMT -5
What would your feelings be if he called it quits?
imho, what more does two-time champion have to prove? We saw him break out crying at the top of the tower last time, he's clearly lived the career he's dreamed of. We know he's currently better than anyone at the course, therefore he's likely to win again if it's at all possible (If 28 isn't that challenging).
He isn't the star of Sasuke either, so I doubt TBS would do all that much coverage regarding his decision. We know they aren't big UNCLI supporters.
Ayako Miyake I thought achieved Kanzenseiha more times than she needed to. She started to become the only person that could make it to Kunocichi's final. I'm not sure what to call this, but the result is the creators making challenges that are too hard for everybody because they realize the champion will just beat it again. I personally like to see the glory spread out among competitors, not the same person winning again and again.
Without Yuuji there is room for someone else to shine. EXAMPLE: In Sasuke 20 Levi was the hero for being the only one in the third stage. If Yuuji was there and made the final or even won, Levi would be given props but his achievement would be overshadowed.
Despite me saying all of this, Yuuji is actually one of my favorite competitors. I've been hoping for him to win since Sasuke 22. But you tell me why you think he should keep competing, or not keep competing.
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Post by TCM on Mar 1, 2012 7:59:55 GMT -5
I would be bothered only in the sense he clearly has what it takes to be a considerable threat for a very long time (assuming the show didn't have the economic problems it did and remained a ratings grabber), much in the way Nagano was, if not more. But he's beaten the course twice in seven attempts; he certainly deserves the right to stop as he has nothing to prove, but he's too much of a fan to stop barring a legitimate injury or other tragedy. Overall, I'd be neutral.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 1, 2012 13:13:09 GMT -5
I obviously want to see him continue. That being said, why would he want to retire? He's obviously cemented his legacy as the greatest SASUKE competitor of all time. But if you look at his failures - Flying Chute, Unstable Bridge, Double Salmon Ladder, Half-Pipe Attack - this man is by no means perfect. The reason he will come back is the same reason Nagano came back and Akiyama came back after their victories (never mind Akiyama missing 5). He's going to do it for fun. Why do we all want to be on SASUKE? To achieve total victory? Nobody on this forum can achieve total victory (well, maybe David). We want to do it for fun. We enjoy the spirit of the competition and would love to be a part of it. Yuuji is a part of it. The fact that he isn't an All-Star is a farce on TBS' part, but even without flashy titles, he is still enjoying himself. That's easy to see.
To answer your question - I would be very bothered by Yuuji retiring. I have to wonder how this forum would have reacted to Kane quitting after 8.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 1, 2012 14:44:08 GMT -5
I would definitely be boterered, much in the same way as I was/am when I found out Takeda wasn't at 26 or 27.
Yuuji's simply the best at the moment, so the course needs to be harder than ever.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Mar 1, 2012 21:28:34 GMT -5
I would definitely be boterered, much in the same way as I was/am when I found out Takeda wasn't at 26 or 27. Yuuji's simply the best at the moment, so the course needs to be harder than ever. I don't know about that. Whenever things get harder than ever, they always tone it down when nobody reaches the final or whatever. For a good show (entertainment, not ratings) the show needs these things. 1. Completely redesigned stages. 2. The stages need to get harder as they progress. 3. No obstacles on steroids like the ultimate cliffhanger. |
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Post by Badalight on Mar 1, 2012 22:20:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't be bothered. Once you conquered it I don't think you really need to return. It's cool fanservice to see them but they've already proven themselves.
Also, I think Yuuji is bit TOO good. IMO they won't be able to balance the course with him competing. It'll either be so easy that he blows through it (Sasuke 25-27 era) or if they make it so hard that not even Yuuji can do it, I don't think anyone can.
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 1, 2012 22:29:16 GMT -5
I'd be bothered mainly because things on Sasuke simply wouldn't be the same without him around. Just look how odd it's been to see other competitors who competed for quite a while to suddenly leave (whether it be temporarily or permanently). For example, Shunsuke was a notable competitor in each of the 6 tournaments he was in, and when he stopped showing up it was almost as if a part of Sasuke history left with him. Plenty of competitors (whether they've posed a threat or not at the course) have come and gone like that over the history of Sasuke, but IMO none would have as big of an impact as Yuuji because of him being the only person to achieve the feat of beating the whole course twice.
Point blank, it's not the expectations for him to win again that would be bothersome if he were to leave Sasuke, but for him to stop being part of something which he's symbolic of. I doubt many people seriously expected Akiyama to beat the course again in 25, but as the first Grand Champion he was probably more expected to remain part of something which he is part of history as regarding the course just by still competing (at least to some degree, i.e. in landmark events such as having all 3 Grand Champions finish off the First Stage in 25).
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Post by watchingtv on Mar 3, 2012 2:01:31 GMT -5
They just need to wait like 6 years. They won't have to worry about it getting dominated by Yuuji again.
If his voice wasn't so grating on the ears, I probably would care if he quit.
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Post by TCM on Mar 3, 2012 14:44:06 GMT -5
I think of all the reasons one could decide on not caring about a dominant competitor not returning, their voice is singlehandedly the stupidest one we could ever see on this topic.
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Post by SRW on Mar 3, 2012 20:13:20 GMT -5
Nagano is still better and always will be the best competitor of all time  the true working mans champion. *runs* Seriously on topic Yuuji should stay and they need to make the course so hard even he tires out and crumbles 28 should be a total re design of EVERYTHING and he should perish badly with everyone else so the course has set a new bar for the competitors. We do not want to see a tweaked course than could be dominated by UNCLI members who train on harder replicas of every obstacle. I want to see the uncli guys Yuuji Ryo etc on a new course which is so much harder beyond comprehension and made of obstacles that these guys cannot replicate so easily. The dominators nowadays are all guys who train on harder replicas of everything all the time its not like everyone is on a even keel anymore- nothing wrong with this but i miss that old feeling of a working man whos not a obsessive trainer of every spec of the course coming and beating it. The Uncli guys look more of a threat of beating the course than the course does of beating them 27 was a big proof of this obviously, In 28 the course needs to take it to a whole new level and leave yuuji and all the other guys in its dust. SASUKE is no fun when the course looks threatened all the time! And just to add I DO like Yuuji! He's in my top 3 of all |
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Post by Badalight on Mar 3, 2012 20:43:20 GMT -5
IMO you just need to change up obstacles more often and not have so many one hit wonders in stages (UCH). More changes means it's harder to adapt and harder to train.
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 3, 2012 21:20:44 GMT -5
Nagano is still better and always will be the best competitor of all time the true working mans champion. *runs* Seriously on topic Yuuji should stay and they need to make the course so hard even he tires out and crumbles 28 should be a total re design of EVERYTHING and he should perish badly with everyone else so the course has set a new bar for the competitors. We do not want to see a tweaked course than could be dominated by UNCLI members who train on harder replicas of every obstacle. I want to see the uncli guys Yuuji Ryo etc on a new course which is so much harder beyond comprehension and made of obstacles that these guys cannot replicate so easily. The dominators nowadays are all guys who train on harder replicas of everything all the time its not like everyone is on a even keel anymore- nothing wrong with this but i miss that old feeling of a working man whos not a obsessive trainer of every spec of the course coming and beating it. The Uncli guys look more of a threat of beating the course than the course does of beating them 27 was a big proof of this obviously, In 28 the course needs to take it to a whole new level and leave yuuji and all the other guys in its dust. SASUKE is no fun when the course looks threatened all the time! And just to add I DO like Yuuji! He's in my top 3 of all I kind of get what you're saying, but IMO it shouldn't be so difficult to the extent that we're getting 19/20-ish results (i.e. all but a few getting beaten by Stage 1 and then having nearly nobody left to take on the later stages). Instead I'd rather have a course in which there are consistently 15-30 people moving on to Stage 2, 5-10 moving on to Stage 3, and 1 or 2 moving on to the Final Stage after every few tournaments. In a nutshell, I'd love the results of tournaments 1-4 for Stage 1, but then have Stage 2 & 3 results similar to that of the 5-17 era. It would still capture people's interest with a variety of Stage 1 and 2 results, but Stage 3 would once again reign supreme as almost impossible for anyone to beat (which would be done by changing obstacles in that stage especially frequently, as Badalight mentioned). On a side note, I wonder how Yuuji, Ryo, Kouji, etc. would fare against obstacles like the Body Prop and maybe 14-17's Pipe Slider (the one with the giant jump to the finishing platform). In either case, Stage 3 shouldn't just be exclusively about upper-body, but about overall strength and stamina (hence why I mentioned the Body Prop). Obstacles such as this might make for much more interesting/unexpected Stage 3 results which would make for it tough for anybody to reach the Final Stage. And once someone would make it there (with the expectation that the Final Stage is extremely tough but remains unmodified until beaten), Stage 3 would be moderately redesigned in the next tournament to prevent anyone from making it back there right away. So yeah, I pretty much agree with Badalight (except for the fact that I went into a really lengthy explanation  ). |
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Mar 3, 2012 23:09:52 GMT -5
Disagree on the show requiring a crazy difficult 3rd Stage. What made 1-4 good was it had a crazy difficult Final Stage, that to me is what makes for a good show. We see just enough action in a shorter, simple first stage, followed by a trickier second, a very tough third, and then an infamously hard final. This way we get to see the whole course, everyone has confidence in those that advance, and then the final crushes them. But no hard feelings there because anyone who makes it that far is considered a hero. That is my idea of a perfect Sasuke, that is why I like Sasuke 1-4, 8, and 12.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 3, 2012 23:35:41 GMT -5
I prefer the 5-17 formula. Stage 1 in shin sasuke was simply too tough and some might argue even tougher than stage 2 until they started really amping up the difficulty.
I like a hard final stage, but my favorite thing about it was that we almost never got the chance to see it. It would lose its luster if we saw it every tourney, even if it were incredibly difficult.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 4, 2012 8:49:08 GMT -5
I won't lie, I'd love to see all 100 fail stage 1.
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Post by SRW on Mar 4, 2012 8:53:35 GMT -5
Thing with the final stage really was they made a perfect one in 5 - 17 nothing else after was ever going to be as good or difficult especially in light of the fact they can't make the tower taller this is apparent as they have had 2 chances to do this and haven't on either i almost wish it had stayed the same as 5 - 17 all the time and was a real major honor if you could beat it Would Yuuji beat that one I really do not know? Anyway digressing there but its worth mentioning.
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Post by blah123 on Mar 4, 2012 18:30:12 GMT -5
I definitely think he should stay around. He is the best ever and one of my favs. They should make the third and final stages harder. If no one can pass them, so be it. That's the spirit of Sasuke to me.
What was cool about 1-17 was there were so many final stage non-clears. This added to the climax of Nagano passing it--because he failed it so many times. I know Yuuji could write the book on rope climbing, but I would just say cut the time limit and bring back the sit start. If he gets to the final stage 4 of the next 5 tournaments (like there ever would be this many), and could only pass it on his 5th try, this would be much more climactic than how it currently is.
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Post by Ethan the new star on Apr 27, 2012 20:16:29 GMT -5
That would be awful if that happened to a 2 time champion. Chances are, nobody's going to be like him.
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the true working mans champion. *runs*
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