Sasuke needs to learn from ANW.

[SuperTiger]

All for obstacle replacement. All for tweaking the show in order to try and save it; however arsenette already said ANW isn't the best example in this case, and I agree completely. With ANW, the theme is the same. The approach and utilization is not. I don't exactly know what else to tell you, because arsenette has already hit everything. It is really an apples and oranges comparison. If anything M9 needs more of a different approach when it comes to marketing, and of course looking for celebrities and toning down stage one are just an added bonus. Problem is we've been down this road with the advertising issue, and the course's difficulty is being discussed in one of the threads in the 27 forum. Now the slightly unrelated part.

If they got rid of the rope ladder

I'm kind of sick of the Rope Ladder myself, but after thinking about it, what exactly can you replace it with?

Rock Climb -- Used
Rope Climb -- Used
Rope/Metal Ladder -- Used in Kunoichi (And the Final Stage...)
I mean what else do you use for a final obstacle. A Free Rope Climb is a very popular idea, but probably not a smart one given that that's always been a part of the final stage. Add a strict time limit and you'll have everyone training so extensively for that obstacle, the final stage equivalent may turn into a cakewalk.

[ES-13]

A Spider Climb would be harder and add more speed to Stage 1 as the final obstacle, if someone was fast enough. Just saying.

[TCM]

*Sees Jumping Spider*

Because doing the same thing twice just a few obstacles apart makes sense.

[ES-13]

I know it doesn't make sense, though I failed to see the harm in suggesting it.
Either way, I think that the course is getting that 1-17 feeling again, 22-24 kinda (In my opinion) tried to get that feeling back and it just felt (Once again in my opinion) weird. 25 however, seemed to fit that feeling well and 26 somehow (In my opinion again) was getting closer to that feel and from the pics I saw (Once more, in my opinion) 27 seems to fit that feeling like a glove, with it's own insidious element (All in my opinion).

[Badalight]

I think the old final obstacle worked perfectly. Swing to a wall and climb up the rope. Simple, fast, exciting, effective.

Bingo.

[supersheep]

If you had stage 1 be like a middle Sasuke now you'd have about 30-40 clears, the hard obstacles then would be considered the easy obstacles now, and if you used an early Sasuke you might have 70+ clears. Obviously if either of those happened the show would be a joke.

So unfortunately we can't have it both ways, can't have it so the comedians and the women have a chance unless you make it so easy that virtually everyone who takes it seriously will clear, unless you basically invite only celebrities and I really dont think thats what we'd want.

[Deleted]

Some very good competitors failed in ANW3. I think making stage 1 easy, and than just going crazy making stage 2-4 really hard is a fair balance. If we see 30+ clears, than that number should dwindle quickly in stage 2 and beyond. Furthermore, not like any of the competitors will beat the UCH. Also, older Sasuke's first stage wasn't exactly a walk in the park.

[Philip]

Here is my idea for a smaller yet tough 1st Stage.
1- Step Slider
2- Rolling Escargot
3- Jump Hang
4- Sasuke 27 Spoiler:

SPOILER: Click to show

Giant Swing Variant

5- Warped Wall (Run up like HPA like in Sasuke 25 Navi)
6- Tarzan Rope + Rope Climb

80 Seconds

[jfeathe]

IMO, people with skills similar to Kentaro Ishimaru (in his prime) and Kinniku Nakayama should be able to make it through the first stage most of the time while people with skills slightly under them such a Rie Komiya and NAOTO should be able to clear once in awhile.

Now, there's no hope for anyone like them to even get close to the finish.

[supersheep]

If we saw 30-40 clears it would be just like watching Sasuke 4. Eventhough most got knocked out in stage 2, still people who cleared were completely cut, and entire stage 2 runs were cut.
Is that really what people want?

[TCM]

You make it seem like Kenjiro and Kinnikun were clearing the First Stage every other tournament. As much as a fan I am of the guy, Kenjiro only even reached the SK 4 times. Kinnikun always had potential (he cleared twice and almost made Stage 3) but ultimately if you don't have enough to beat them, you just won't.

[jfeathe]

I don't think having 20 or even 30 people in stage 2 is a horrible thing since many wouldn't make it up a single rung on the Samon Ladder.

Honestly, my favorite Sasukes are still 1-4. I watched G4's hour special of Sasuke 1 a couple of weeks ago and it was great seeing normal, athletic making it to the second stage.

We're at the point where we don't even know if the top competitors will finish the first half of the first stage. They've taken the first stage WAY too far. Right now, there are the same repeat competitors and trial winners who pass and no one else. There's little excitement watching anyone else run because NO ONE else clears. EVERYONE who passes is recognizable or is a trial/ANW winner.

So I'd take 40 stage 2 runs with complete cuts any day.

[bigblind168]

Aug 18, 2011 12:22:25 GMT -5 Philip said:

Here is my idea for a smaller yet tough 1st Stage.
1- Step Slider
2- Rolling Escargot
3- Jump Hang
4- Sasuke 27 Spoiler:

SPOILER: Click to show

Giant Swing Variant

5- Warped Wall (Run up like HPA like in Sasuke 25 Navi)
6- Tarzan Rope + Rope Climb

80 Seconds

This is what ive been saying the entire time.

a short course. You have your staples too

first obstacle
log obstacle
bride
trampoline obstacle
wall
final climb.

Maybe add an obstacle inbetween the bridge and trampoline. Anything really.

It'll be hard, exciting, no longer than 90seconds

1. Step Slider
2. Escargot
3. Bridge obstacle
4. Jumping Spider
5. Bridge jump
6. Warped Wall
7. Tarzan Rope+ Rope Climb.
90 seconds. flawless first stage.

[ES-13]

SASUKE's 13-17 had a good balance of short, difficult obstacles and so did 25. In my opinion.

[SuperTiger]

Aug 18, 2011 18:56:30 GMT -5 ES-13 said:

SASUKE's 13-17 had a good balance of short, difficult obstacles and so did 25. In my opinion.

That would be nice if SASUKE 25's first stage wasn't 130 meters, and if the obstacles in the line-up weren't so out of place.

[Deleted]

Aug 18, 2011 14:01:17 GMT -5 supersheep said:

If we saw 30-40 clears it would be just like watching Sasuke 4. Eventhough most got knocked out in stage 2, still people who cleared were completely cut, and entire stage 2 runs were cut.
Is that really what people want?

I'd rather see a wealth of short stage 1 and 2 runs than a CRAPLOAD of LONG stage 1 runs.

Aug 18, 2011 19:09:48 GMT -5 SuperTiger said:

Aug 18, 2011 18:56:30 GMT -5 ES-13 said:

SASUKE's 13-17 had a good balance of short, difficult obstacles and so did 25. In my opinion.

That would be nice if SASUKE 25's first stage wasn't 130 meters, and if the obstacles in the line-up weren't so out of place.

I agree completely. The obstacles per second in Sasuke 25 was too much, while in Sasuke 13-17, it was quickly obstacle after obstacle.

Also, I love Katy Perry too, but you need to have a picture of her from Hot & Cold in your sig! That's when she was the hawtest, and it's my favorite Katy Perry song <3

[UnrealCanine]

I don't like how it's become too formulamatic