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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 13:30:51 GMT -5
Same as the worst competitor thread. Just say who you think is the best (if you feel like it ) I consider Okuyama the best because he's got a chance of beating Takeda's record of 7 Third Stages. Furthermore he did two things worthy on it. One he did it in the Shin-SASUKE/Kanzen Renewal Era. Two he made it to the Final Stage in one of those four tries.
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Post by sdiben27 on Mar 9, 2011 14:31:12 GMT -5
Best by what definition? Current expectations? Recent results? All-time results?
David Campbell is easily one of the favorites going into Sasuke 27, but you could not draw that conclusion based on previous Sasuke results alone since his are too limited.
Based on results from the past 5-6 competitions, you'd have to say the top tier consists of Yuuji Urushihara, Li En Zhi, and Yoshiyuki Okuyama in some order. There is a higher likelihood that Okuyama has peaked (given his age) and results will decline in future competitions, although his results definitely speak for themselves.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 9, 2011 16:34:26 GMT -5
Nagano is the best... We've statistically proven it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 17:00:45 GMT -5
Takeda.
He didn't win, but man is he... (was...) consistent.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 9, 2011 19:51:56 GMT -5
Nagano is the best... We've statistically proven it... I would say Urushihara is better than Nagano. Yes I'm probably going to get hate mail on this but lets face it.. Look how long it took Nagano to get to the Final Stage and how long after that it took to win, Yuuji made it to the final on his second try (and the whole course in general is harder than it was back then (Aside from Gliding Ring vs. Pipe Slider) and on his second trip to the final he ended up winning the whole thing, That has to say something right there. This isn't even counting all the UNCLI training stuff which has to be a big factor
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 19:54:03 GMT -5
I may get hate mail as well, but I don't think what Yuuji had to do was harder than what Nagano had to do.
Yuuji had fewer changes in obstacles than Nagano. Nagano faced constant new obstacles. Yuuji? Not so much.
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 9, 2011 20:28:45 GMT -5
What JP said is for the most part true. Half the time Nagano wasn't even aware of what he'd encounter, and he still did unbelievably well. And although the course Yuuji faced was far from easy, the changes to the course he faced were relatively minimal. May I also mention that Nagano had to face a mini-renewal from 12 to 13 and still got to the Final Stage as if nothing new had happened to the course? That just supports that Nagano is better when it comes to changes on the course. Also, I'd like to see how Yuuji would do against 14-17's Third Stage and specifically the Body Prop. I doubt any amount of Cliffhanger training will get you through that thing. Regardless of what anybody thinks, the competitor calculator that scnoi and I made has ranked the competitors pretty well as to who's "best". sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=sasuke26&action=display&thread=3192
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 20:36:13 GMT -5
Also, I'd like to see how Yuuji would do against 14-17's Third Stage and specifically the Body Prop. I doubt any amount of Cliffhanger training will get you through that thing. Maybe Yuuji would do good in that version. The only obstacle I can see him failing is the Pipe Slider. Especially with the trouble he had on the Gliding Ring in 24. Overall, a very good shot seeing also he's 2 to 2 on the Third Stage so far.
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 9, 2011 20:50:04 GMT -5
Also, I'd like to see how Yuuji would do against 14-17's Third Stage and specifically the Body Prop. I doubt any amount of Cliffhanger training will get you through that thing. Maybe Yuuji would do good in that version. The only obstacle I can see him failing is the Pipe Slider. Especially with the trouble he had on the Gliding Ring in 24. Overall, a very good shot seeing also he's 2 to 2 on the Third Stage so far. Incredible upper body strength does not necessarily equal a Body Prop clear. For that obstacle you need to have a strong core and legs as well, not to mention one slip-up and you're likely done. Now don't get me wrong, Yuuji may have a pretty good standing chance at clearing the Body Prop, but I don't think any amount of grip strength will save you when your hands are up against a flat surface. If he could get past that and the Pipe Slider's final jump/dismount (as you mentioned), I could never see him failing on any Stage 3 in the first 24 tournaments. The current Stage 3 perhaps (most likely on the UCH if he makes a careless mistake or IMO more likely on the "Flying Bar" because it looks pretty unpredictable and difficult to keep the bar from sliding off the rungs when landing the jumps), but that's another story. Point blank, IMO Nagano has shown that he's better all-around than Yuuji, which makes me give Nagano the advantage over Yuuji.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 21:03:12 GMT -5
Maybe Yuuji would do good in that version. The only obstacle I can see him failing is the Pipe Slider. Especially with the trouble he had on the Gliding Ring in 24. Overall, a very good shot seeing also he's 2 to 2 on the Third Stage so far. Incredible upper body strength does not necessarily equal a Body Prop clear. For that obstacle you need to have a strong core and legs as well, not to mention one slip-up and you're likely done. Now don't get me wrong, Yuuji may have a pretty good standing chance at clearing the Body Prop, but I don't think any amount of grip strength will save you when your hands are up against a flat surface. If he could get past that and the Pipe Slider's final jump/dismount (as you mentioned), I could never see him failing on any Stage 3 in the first 24 tournaments. The current Stage 3 perhaps (most likely on the UCH if he makes a careless mistake or IMO more likely on the "Flying Bar" because it looks pretty unpredictable and difficult to keep the bar from sliding off the rungs when landing the jumps), but that's another story. Point blank, IMO Nagano has shown that he's better all-around than Yuuji, which makes me give Nagano the advantage over Yuuji. The thing is he only hit the wall on the DSL with one side, so if he tries to aim too far with one side he'll miss and fall off. Plus the fact that he has had trouble with the Salmon Ladder/Double Salmon Ladder as well as the fact that there's a Jump at the end of the "Flying Bar" it's a long shot that he'll clear it.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 21:11:42 GMT -5
Nagano is the best... We've statistically proven it... I would say Urushihara is better than Nagano. Yes I'm probably going to get hate mail on this but lets face it.. Look how long it took Nagano to get to the Final Stage and how long after that it took to win, Yuuji made it to the final on his second try (and the whole course in general is harder than it was back then (Aside from Gliding Ring vs. Pipe Slider) and on his second trip to the final he ended up winning the whole thing, That has to say something right there. This isn't even counting all the UNCLI training stuff which has to be a big factor I'm not disagreeing with you on whether or not Yuuji is better... however there is something I disagree with in your post. First of all: "and the whole course in general is harder than it was back then Aside from Gliding Ring vs. Pipe Slider" That is definitely your opinion, and one that I and many others do not share. First stage: Yes, the shin Sasuke first stage was brutal... there is no denying it's harder, I won't even try to debate that. Second Stage: Once again, Shin Sasuke was likely harder (though the time limit was more leniant) Third Stage: Sasuke 17 definitely had a harder stage 3 than 24 in my opinion. Arm rings = Arms Rings Body Prop >>> Rope Junction Curtain Cling >> Devil Steps Shin Cliff-hanger > Cliff-hanger Jumping Bars = Jumping Bars Ascending Climb > Climbing bars Spider Flip > ? Pipe Slider >>> Gliding Ring While Shin-Sasuke does have some harder obstacles, it also had some really easy ones. Plus the ones that are harder in 17 are harder by a LOT. Body Prop is WAY tougher than rope junction, while the Ascending Climb isn't THAT much harder than the climbing bars. Final Stage: Without a doubt, Sasuke 17 wins. Use your argument on how Nagano lost on the new final stage, I don't care. The time limit of the first was STRICT. You needed to literally FLY up that tower to make it. When Nagano was climbing the rope when he made the new final stage, it was definitely slower than his climb in 17, and he was going slower over-all. So over-all, considering the 3rd and 4th stages matter the most, I'd say 17 is the over-all harder Sasuke... or at the very least it's very comparable to 24 in difficulty. As of now yes, Yuuji is better. In their primes? I can't say. Nagano does have advantages over Yuuji. He's faster, has more balance, quicker and lighter on his feet, and I'd say his upper body strength kills Yuuji's. Despite Yuuji and his fancy cliff-hanger antics, he doesn't have too much on Nagano. Who has a better chance at getting further nowadays? Yuuji definitely. I honestly can't picture Nagano beating the new stage 3, while Yuuji I feel like he can.
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Post by YoDaUO on Mar 9, 2011 21:21:21 GMT -5
Nagano is the best, maybe not at the moment but of all time he is.. I dont think Yuuji could have done Nagano's final stage, tbh.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 21:38:58 GMT -5
Exactly. I highly believe Nagano could've beaten Sasuke 24's course. He obviously has the ability too, he's shown it.
If Yuuji was at 17, I don't see how he would've beaten the final stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 21:43:20 GMT -5
Exactly. I highly believe Nagano could've beaten Sasuke 24's course. He obviously has the ability too, he's shown it. If Yuuji was at 17, I don't see how he would've beaten the final stage. Nagano in 24:He just jumped the gun (like in 25). Yuuji in 17:It would be the Spider Climb that would get Yuuji. He's kinda slow on the JS and in 15 seconds the walls would go apart. He'd have a Jotchev moment.
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Post by TCM on Mar 9, 2011 22:25:39 GMT -5
He'd have a Jovtchev moment? So he'll go too slow because of a torrential downpour that was all but snow? No one on dry surface failed the Spider Climb except Shingo and he gets a pass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 3:01:28 GMT -5
He'd have a Jovtchev moment? So he'll go too slow because of a torrential downpour that was all but snow? No one on dry surface failed the Spider Climb except Shingo and he gets a pass. You know what I mean. He would get to the rope good if he got to it fast enough.
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Post by SRW on Mar 11, 2011 9:07:18 GMT -5
Nagano obviously of all time by a fair stretch!
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Post by intelligentinfer on Mar 13, 2011 4:56:41 GMT -5
Hail Nagano as the best competitor!
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Post by Amber on Feb 18, 2012 20:01:31 GMT -5
I say Nagano is. Just because he barely ever fails stage 1.
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