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Post by Oti on Jan 3, 2011 17:41:24 GMT -5
The UNCLI guys are great, granted, but they haven't made it there yet. The UNCLI guys (Besides one of course) seemed to over train on one thing, and not train on others. Until they can prove to the world that they are capable of even making it to the obstacle, you shouldn't assume that these are the guys for the job. You're right. Crushing exact replicas with and without other obstacles before and after doesn't count for aaaaanything. It's already different from the original version, most people didn't mind. I'm sure if they made it even easier, people still wouldn't care. I doubt most people will notice a change in gaps between the last 2 ledges if they made that easier. So, if were talking about reputation for the obstacle, no reputation is changed even if the obstacle is. M9 knows this, and if we know M9, we know they will make it easier. I'm just saying I hope they don't change it anymore. There's no real reason to. They do, and for that, you are right. But these guys have access to the course. I mean, they have the tools neccessary to beat these obstacle, most people don't. That makes no sense. These guys don't count because they can prepare for it? Hear that David? Even if you get back to stage three and crush the UCH, it doesn't count. I'm pretty sure they have different testers for each of the Third Stage obstacles. Correct me if I'm wrong though. I think I remember Luci Romberg saying at some point that they had a seperate tester for the Final Ring by itself back a few tournaments. They use different people, but someone has still run through each stage nonstop to make sure it's possible in the time allowed. I doubt they take fatigue into account because competitors can always just improve their endurances.
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Post by SRW on Jan 3, 2011 17:44:12 GMT -5
The UCH is going nowhere its doing its job - stopping people getting to the final stage lol!
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Post by Badalight on Jan 3, 2011 17:44:13 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? Being optimistic that it will be beaten is ignorant? Ask David, I doubt he'd say it was unbeatable like Lars is saying. But David didn't beat it... Bro, he HAS AN EXACT REPLICA OF IT AT HIS HOUSE. And he didn't beat it. Okuyama TRAINS FOR A REPLICA OF IT AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE. And he didn't beat it. Lee rock climbs religiously, his video are freaking amazing. His grip, upper body skills, are amazing. And he didn't beat it. 3 of the best trained people couldn't beat the obstacle. I don't get why we keep saying "OH NO NONE OF THE GUD GUYS GONE YET!@!!" when 3 of the arguably best have tried, two have tried TWICE now. You guys have been into too much Sim Sasuke or Stickman Sasuke, and have lost touch with reality, and thankfully I'm almost 100% sure they will once again lesson the difficulty for 27. Lee however doesn't really train on Sasuke replicas. Okuyama does somewhat, but not too much. He's also old. Also take into consideration that this was David's first time on stage 3. He has said multiple times at how shocked he was at the strict time in-between obstacles. He had no idea what to expect. If he goes back next Sasuke, then he'll know what to expect and you can beat David Campbell will be ready for it. I mean honestly, David is awesome, but to expect him to pass the UCH on his first stage 3 attempt is asking a lot. Brent also did really well, and it was his first Sasuke ever. He also had 0 confidence that he could beat the cliff-hanger, he even had trouble with the shin-cliffhanger in muscle park, yet he had a good attempt at it as well.
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Post by artyfowljr on Jan 3, 2011 17:44:32 GMT -5
IMO: Keep it. It's beatable, but very hard: exactly what a Stage 3 obstacle is supposed to be.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 3, 2011 17:46:00 GMT -5
Can't believe I agree 100% with Oti but there it is I think a lot of people on this board sees Sasuke in a vacuum and not as an event where you are jet lagged and standing in a friggin' open field for about 18 hours... This is a little different, but I know how it feels. I'm in track, and you have to wait hours for your event to start. You'd get to the event early in the morning and finally get to go like 8 hours later, then have to compete again 3 hours after that. I know how it's like to wait around all day. Not only that, but if you're in state competitions or national competitions you do drive buses or take planes there. The long bus ride is pretty exhausting. I know what that feeling is like. I still don't believe it's as hard as some people are making it out to be. That's something I expected out of the NW facebook page, not this forum.
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 3, 2011 17:51:30 GMT -5
I also felt that until i see Yuuji on it then i can't say whether it's too hard or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 18:10:38 GMT -5
Every competition that comes, we will see what happens. It'll be a while, but eventually, you guys will see what I am saying. Even if it takes awhile.
I wrote a whole post, but I think it would piss people off. I didn't insult anybody though.
But I'm fine with waiting another year or two for my point to be proven.
Hopefully, at least, when David or Yuuji finally beats the obstacle, we can get rid of it. I hope this forum will at least agree, that this unfair obstacle should be gone once it's beaten.
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Post by Oti on Jan 3, 2011 18:15:50 GMT -5
Lee however doesn't really train on Sasuke replicas. Okuyama does somewhat, but not too much. He's also old. 40 isn't old. Also take into consideration that this was David's first time on stage 3. He has said multiple times at how shocked he was at the strict time in-between obstacles. He had no idea what to expect. So? His endurance was still lacking, he said it himself. If he goes back next Sasuke, then he'll know what to expect and you can beat David Campbell will be ready for it. I agree. David is probably our most likely bet when it comes to an American beating the third stage... for now! I mean honestly, David is awesome, but to expect him to pass the UCH on his first stage 3 attempt is asking a lot. I don't think so considering he has one. I'm glad he took it as well as he did, honestly. I would've been mega pissed if I failed an obstacle I spent months working on and conquering. I still don't believe it's as hard as some people are making it out to be. That's something I expected out of the NW facebook page, not this forum. All the stuff you and Arsenette listed isn't that bad. The course, however, is harder than it looks. I was in that "oh it's not that hard" camp, remember? You'll see in a few years. Hopefully, at least, when David or Yuuji finally beats the obstacle, we can get rid of it. I hope this forum will at least agree, that this unfair obstacle should be gone once it's beaten. It's not unfair and I hope it stays.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 3, 2011 18:17:27 GMT -5
I think for where we're at.. Stage 3 (And Stage 2) are at the perfect level of difficulty they should be at... The UCH is beatable but still difficult and the obstacles around it reflect it's difficulty (Although the Roulette Cylinder didn't need the drops but considering how fast it'd get beaten if it was still like 25 I guess it was needed), Floating Board was too hard to put right before the UCH (or anywhere in a stage with the UCH... Should have been in Shin Sasuke in place of the Kudari Ranpu Grasper/Rope Junction) and Cycling Road is the perfect amount of difficulty for where it is, Alone an easy obstacle but it does set you up for the UCH.
As for the Ultimate Cliffhanger itself... Like I said... It's at the perfect amount of difficulty... Difficult but still passable... I think that the lowering the third ledge was a good move since it's already a beast enough and doesn't need that reach up 25 had... Hell.. in 25 the best result was trying to reach for the 3rd ledge and in 26 we got 2 people who made it half way through and two more people who were almost to the end. At this point everyone just needs to train for stage 3 as a whole instead of just focusing on the UCH like everyone has been doing, We know it can be beaten, we just have to practice on dealing with a stage 3 situation. Hell.. if you guys don't believe me... we KNOW David can beat a more difficult version of 25's version but managed to fail it in the real tournament... To be honest.. The UCH was NEVER the enemy... It was endurance the whole time... If we got some guy who could hang on his arms for 20 minutes (Obvious exaggeration but you get what I'm saying...) and put him in 25's third stage he'd kick it's a**... But the fact is with the era we're in, Stage 3 is the perfect amount of difficulty.. Stage 1 however needs turned down a bit...
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Post by Badalight on Jan 3, 2011 18:22:54 GMT -5
Oh Oti, I'm not saying I myself could complete it or anything. No no no, far from it.
But I mean, with the competitors Sasuke has, I don't think it'll stay unbeaten for much longer.
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Post by Oti on Jan 3, 2011 18:46:39 GMT -5
Oh, my bad Bada. I thought you were saying all of Sasuke was easy. Yeah, the UCH isn't that bad. Sorry about that.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 3, 2011 19:36:15 GMT -5
Something in that last long post I made here about the UCH's problem being endurance.... Take everyone from 14-17 who failed the CH, put them right at version 3 of the Cliffhanger and they'd beat it no problem probably... Take the people who failed the UCH, put them at it fresh and all of them have a great shot of beating it (Hell.. we know David can) And as for UNCLI.. people love omitting "Yuuji" as somehow he's not part of the group.. LOL But isn't TBS always right about everything they say about Sasuke? These announcers are always right aren't they?
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Post by Oti on Jan 3, 2011 22:12:40 GMT -5
Something in that last long post I made here about the UCH's problem being endurance.... Take everyone from 14-17 who failed the CH, put them right at version 3 of the Cliffhanger and they'd beat it no problem probably... Take the people who failed the UCH, put them at it fresh and all of them have a great shot of beating it (Hell.. we know David can) Haven't I established this? Were those posts for nothing?! NOTHING?!
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 3, 2011 22:34:27 GMT -5
Something in that last long post I made here about the UCH's problem being endurance.... Take everyone from 14-17 who failed the CH, put them right at version 3 of the Cliffhanger and they'd beat it no problem probably... Take the people who failed the UCH, put them at it fresh and all of them have a great shot of beating it (Hell.. we know David can) Haven't I established this? Were those posts for nothing?! NOTHING?! That post was supposed to be a part of This one... But I think I said that already...
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jan 4, 2011 7:53:57 GMT -5
[/quote]Lee however doesn't really train on Sasuke replicas. Okuyama does somewhat, but not too much. He's also old.[/quote] Agreed. He trains on rock climbing, 1 or two cliff hanger ledges, rock climbing, hiking and the SCH replica he had.
Yes, he had a SCH replica. But only ledge 2 to 3. He rock climbs as training for ledge 1.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 4, 2011 18:24:19 GMT -5
What.... o-o
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Post by Oti on Jan 4, 2011 18:25:54 GMT -5
I wasn't gonna say anything.
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