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Post by arsenette on Nov 23, 2010 23:31:14 GMT -5
Well, to a lot of people the UCH is playground equipment, look how many replicas are out there. That will greatly increase the number of possible clears. The replica building phase has taken some of the fair challenge away. The UltimateCH to me seems like it was made to be hard even for people who trained daily on replicas. In essence, these kinds of challenges make it so you have to have a replica to train on in order to stand a chance, which kind of ruins it for me. It used to be better in the first four tournaments, everyone stood a chance before and you wouldn't have to make the show your life in order to complete it. Actually I kinda agree with this too  I guess I'm on the fence simply because I like when people get into the show like that and have replicas but agree after a while the "technique" wins... but.. there are others who have replicas and still don't do well with pressure so it kinda evens things out. That said.. Yuuji doesn't own a replica.. he visits his friends and plays around in theirs every once in a while when he's off work. |
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Post by roy on Nov 24, 2010 2:39:22 GMT -5
I think i could do it or get close to it if I had gloves. If I had gloves.
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Post by lars072 on Nov 24, 2010 5:22:25 GMT -5
[/quote]Actually I kinda agree with this too I guess I'm on the fence simply because I like when people get into the show like that and have replicas but agree after a while the "technique" wins... but.. there are others who have replicas and still don't do well with pressure so it kinda evens things out. That said.. Yuuji doesn't own a replica.. he visits his friends and plays around in theirs every once in a while when he's off work.[/quote] I dn't really think technique has much to do with beating the UCH. You need super-human arm strength and a hell of a grip to beat it as well as the previous obstacles before it. |
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Post by lars072 on Nov 24, 2010 5:24:56 GMT -5
I think i could do it or get close to it if I had gloves. If I had gloves. I think I could do it with one hand tied behind my back and only using my a** cheeks. Please...  |
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Post by lars072 on Nov 24, 2010 5:51:36 GMT -5
There have been 35 fails on the Cliff Hanger versions 1-5 since it came into play in SASUKE 4. All of the guys in the final stage in 25 (except for Yuuji) couldn't even make it to the top ledge and we have to say they are the top competitors, right? Heck, a lot of good competitors had trouble with the original versions of the CH - Terek 17, Kenji 7&16, Shunsuke 15&16, Jordan J 12&14&16, Takeda 13&14&16, Shingo 11&12, Koji 11 etc. and the old CH is nothing in comparison to this new UCH obstacle.
I think some people need to realize that it will take something amazing to see someone pass it.
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Post by arsenette on Nov 24, 2010 6:03:56 GMT -5
There have been 35 fails on the Cliff Hanger versions 1-5 since it came into play in SASUKE 4. All of the guys in the final stage in 25 (except for Yuuji) couldn't even make it to the top ledge and we have to say they are the top competitors, right? Heck, a lot of good competitors had trouble with the original versions of the CH - Terek 17, Kenji 7&16, Shunsuke 15&16, Jordan J 12&14&16, Takeda 13&14&16, Shingo 11&12, Koji 11 etc. and the old CH is nothing in comparison to this new UCH obstacle. I think some people need to realize that it will take something amazing to see someone pass it. True but even Nagano admits that the CH in any form is all about technique. He's discussed this a few times and believes it will be conquered sooner than later. The learning curve is not as steep these days. When Nagano started no one had stuff like Muscle Park and their own backyards... that's why Nagasawa and Shiratori were featured a lot more for their obstacles as much as their own personal stories. |
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Post by lars072 on Nov 24, 2010 7:36:56 GMT -5
There have been 35 fails on the Cliff Hanger versions 1-5 since it came into play in SASUKE 4. All of the guys in the final stage in 25 (except for Yuuji) couldn't even make it to the top ledge and we have to say they are the top competitors, right? Heck, a lot of good competitors had trouble with the original versions of the CH - Terek 17, Kenji 7&16, Shunsuke 15&16, Jordan J 12&14&16, Takeda 13&14&16, Shingo 11&12, Koji 11 etc. and the old CH is nothing in comparison to this new UCH obstacle. I think some people need to realize that it will take something amazing to see someone pass it. True but even Nagano admits that the CH in any form is all about technique. He's discussed this a few times and believes it will be conquered sooner than later. The learning curve is not as steep these days. When Nagano started no one had stuff like Muscle Park and their own backyards... that's why Nagasawa and Shiratori were featured a lot more for their obstacles as much as their own personal stories. Yes, I admit that technique is a factor ad was quite vital in passing said obstacle. But the new UCH is almost all about physical strength and stamina. It has 6 ledges all at different angles and lengths! |
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Post by arsenette on Nov 24, 2010 8:40:41 GMT -5
Yes, I admit that technique is a factor ad was quite vital in passing said obstacle. But the new UCH is almost all about physical strength and stamina. It has 6 ledges all at different angles and lengths! Yep. Plus the added bonus of being out in a field all day for about 18 hours, weather, fatigue and the rest of that from being Sasuke all day with 2 emotion filled stages behind them. I think a lot of people forget that and think of the UCH by itself. If the question is by itself then Yuuji has the best shot.. and the fact that despite his scrawny appearance he's won Sasuke before proving he has what it takes to finish the entire 4 stage course. That's ultimately why I chose him over all the others. |
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Post by quasikoz on Nov 24, 2010 9:50:42 GMT -5
Yes, I admit that technique is a factor ad was quite vital in passing said obstacle. But the new UCH is almost all about physical strength and stamina. It has 6 ledges all at different angles and lengths! Yep. Plus the added bonus of being out in a field all day for about 18 hours, weather, fatigue and the rest of that from being Sasuke all day with 2 emotion filled stages behind them. I think a lot of people forget that and think of the UCH by itself. If the question is by itself then Yuuji has the best shot.. and the fact that despite his scrawny appearance he's won Sasuke before proving he has what it takes to finish the entire 4 stage course. That's ultimately why I chose him over all the others. If it's all about pure strength on the UCH, I give Tajima the best shot at it. He seems to have the strongest grip and arm strength out of everyone on the list. If it's getting through 2 stages and THEN making it to the UCH, I think it's 50/50 between Tajima and Yuuji. Kongu gets an honorable mention too. |
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Post by roy on Nov 24, 2010 19:11:46 GMT -5
I think i could do it or get close to it if I had gloves. If I had gloves. I think I could do it with one hand tied behind my back and only using my a** cheeks. Please... I scale the sides of my house almost daily now. It's not like the UCH is some mythical challenge or anything. It is incredibly difficult, but if you train for it, again, anything is possible. And I'm not saying that I could surely defeat it, let alone actually get that far if I had the chance. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, albeit small. And heck, if I think I have a smidgen of a chance to clear it, then obviously I must think that the actual competitors have even more of a shot, no? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 21:07:11 GMT -5
Yuuji would've killed it. If Yuuji can make it past the Double Salmon Ladder, he'll make it to the UCH and clear it.
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Post by lars072 on Nov 24, 2010 22:54:13 GMT -5
I think I could do it with one hand tied behind my back and only using my a** cheeks. Please... I scale the sides of my house almost daily now. It's not like the UCH is some mythical challenge or anything. It is incredibly difficult, but if you train for it, again, anything is possible. And I'm not saying that I could surely defeat it, let alone actually get that far if I had the chance. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, albeit small. And heck, if I think I have a smidgen of a chance to clear it, then obviously I must think that the actual competitors have even more of a shot, no? NO |
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Post by arsenette on Nov 25, 2010 3:11:45 GMT -5
Guys get back to the post. If you want to post boasts and crap do it in the Spam forum.. it was created for that purpose. Back to the poll and stick to the poll.
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Post by lars072 on Nov 25, 2010 4:49:01 GMT -5
Guys get back to the post. If you want to post boasts and crap do it in the Spam forum.. it was created for that purpose. Back to the poll and stick to the poll. I created the poll so I really don't see what the problem is. I have a very different opinion on the UCH than most...so what? I'm talking about the competitors' chances of passing the UCH but not about personal 'achievements' or the like. Not sure Arsenette who you are referring to. |
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 25, 2010 11:45:04 GMT -5
Back on topic, the SCH and the UCH ellicited very similar reactions when they were both unveiled- it looked impossible and for the first tournament in each, it proved to be disastrous.
The difference is that everyone was prepared for the unveiling of the UCH and we saw replicas and actual clears very quickly after.
So even though the difficulty jump from the SCH to the UCH is much higher than the difficulty jump from the 9-17 Cliff Hanger to the SCH, the level of preparedness is much higher going into the second UCH tournament.
With that being said, any of the people listed as choices could clear it.
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Post by Oti on Nov 25, 2010 14:27:33 GMT -5
Ah, post deleted. Lovely.
Anyway, the UCH is nothing now that we're used to it. It was shock value. Most of those people on this poll can probably clear it, but those without replicas will probably have the hardest time (Nagano for example).
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Post by roy on Nov 25, 2010 20:37:13 GMT -5
Exactly what I was implying...
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Post by lars072 on Nov 26, 2010 4:02:19 GMT -5
Ah, post deleted. Lovely. Anyway, the UCH is nothing now that we're used to it. It was shock value. Most of those people on this poll can probably clear it, but those without replicas will probably have the hardest time (Nagano for example). I guess only time will tell. I really hope that all of the top competitors get to the UCh and then we'l see what happens. |
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Post by Badalight on Nov 27, 2010 10:44:01 GMT -5
I know a lot of you are saying the pressure makes it harder, but for some people (myself included) it makes me do better.
I used to not be able to do my cliff-hanger if I was outside alone, but as soon as someone started watching me then I could fly through it.
It's adrenaline probably, or just me rising to the occasion. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that either. There are probably people on Sasuke who do better under the pressure.
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 27, 2010 22:25:13 GMT -5
I know a lot of you are saying the pressure makes it harder, but for some people (myself included) it makes me do better. I used to not be able to do my cliff-hanger if I was outside alone, but as soon as someone started watching me then I could fly through it. It's adrenaline probably, or just me rising to the occasion. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that either. There are probably people on Sasuke who do better under the pressure. I think this type of pressure would only work well during the third stage where there is no time limit and the obstacles are of a different style. With the first and second stages, the obstacles are easier but have a bit of uncertainty if they'll be cleared. The reason for this is that there are lots of far leaps and balance tasks that can go wrong even if someone is doing well. With the third stage, if you have enough strength, you'll make it through almost guaranteed. The only exceptions might be the Pipe Slider (I still believe there is a certain amount of luck involved) and the new Jumping Bar obstacle. |
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I guess I'm on the fence simply because I like when people get into the show like that and have replicas but agree after a while the "technique" wins... but.. there are others who have replicas and still don't do well with pressure so it kinda evens things out. That said.. Yuuji doesn't own a replica.. he visits his friends and plays around in theirs every once in a while when he's off work.
