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Post by arsenette on Oct 26, 2010 22:36:53 GMT -5
I doubt they would listen but I would email G4 and just simply state what you guys have been saying (in a more coherent way than I can ever.. LOL). Simply put a LOT of confusion happened in Sasuke 23. That is when I was convinced they didn't give a crap about the show airing it several months after it aired in Japan (TBS-September, 2009 - G4 April, 2010) and all along putting ONLY the Americans.. lifting them out of the broadcast by themselves as if they were the only ones in there way back in December, 2009. What made it worse was that even if people didn't see ANW.. they wouldn't know the Americans were there because they deleted them off the NW23 broadcast entirely.. as if they weren't even there.. Even the 3 that passed.. they were deleted off the show.. That caused massive confusion among the casual watcher and even sparked a war in FB when it happened. It was after that war that G4 magically instituted 23 then rushed to get 24 and 25 back to back a week apart..
I thought that given those set of circumstances.. being 3 tournaments behind then coming back and getting back to speed they would again keep the shows separate. But I was mistaken.. they have taken this to a whole new level. Now they are repeating the same mistake that has (IMO) caused the foreign markets to not buy the show.
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Post by supersheep on Oct 26, 2010 22:57:33 GMT -5
If this happens, I wont be on the boards for a while after it airs
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Oct 26, 2010 23:07:10 GMT -5
I doubt they would listen I think that they do listen, if your timing is supreme or even decent, and they get enough notifications from viewers saying the same thing, it might trigger a light bulb in their studio's head. If our letters happen to get to the right person who works at G4, they could change their mind. I think your letter has a chance and if we all pitched in, the way they format ANW and nw26.. could be affected in a positive way. (and this is no biggie, not even a gripe. Just correcting you that they aired 23 & 24 a week apart back to back, 25 was a few months later, you already know that) I thought that given those set of circumstances.. being 3 tournaments behind then coming back and getting back to speed they would again keep the shows separate. But I was mistaken.. they have taken this to a whole new level. Now they are repeating the same mistake that has (IMO) caused the foreign markets to not buy the show. I have a question for you, or whoever else gets it. Why do you think foreign markets other than the US don't buy Sasuke from TBS?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 26, 2010 23:12:00 GMT -5
Having trouble wrapping my head around this. I don't mind the spoilers (I'm a total spoiler hound), but it bothers me a LOT to think that G4 could potentially air a chopped-up, half-assed version of Sasuke-with only ANW competitors-before TBS airs the real thing. That'll drive me nuts. Do me a favor and stop reading my mind.. Me being me I'm seriously going to take notes of the announcer.. Also why do I feel reminded of
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Post by arsenette on Oct 26, 2010 23:18:13 GMT -5
(and this is no biggie, not even a gripe. Just correcting you that they aired 23 & 24 a week apart back to back, 25 was a few months later, you already know that) I thought that given those set of circumstances.. being 3 tournaments behind then coming back and getting back to speed they would again keep the shows separate. But I was mistaken.. they have taken this to a whole new level. Now they are repeating the same mistake that has (IMO) caused the foreign markets to not buy the show. I have a question for you, or whoever else gets it. Why do you think foreign markets other than the US don't buy Sasuke from TBS?Yes on the first part but yeah you got my drift on that Everything is melding together I swear... The 2nd part is pure supposition on my part. I think part of it COULD be (this is a guess) that 23 has ANW tied to it as a package to complete the NW broadcast. Remember they deleted the results of the Americans while the Americans were featured in Episodes 7&8 in ANW1. That's a guess.. the other is money. It's clear from Taiwan's predicament .. they are charging a lot more for the latter episodes.. the ones that have a longer time-frame and a larger American presence. Though I'm sure both can be mutually exclusive. Just my thoughts on it.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 27, 2010 12:59:40 GMT -5
Btw is anyone emailing/tweeting/FB'ing G4 and asking them to move the last 2 episodes to March?
Or is anyone writing to TBS/M9 asking how G4 is going to trump their airdate?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 27, 2010 13:13:17 GMT -5
(The whole what have I done/killed them all/black hole thing isn't important, sort of inside joke I guess, I don't want to steer this off topic explaining)
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 27, 2010 13:15:59 GMT -5
Having trouble wrapping my head around this. I don't mind the spoilers (I'm a total spoiler hound), but it bothers me a LOT to think that G4 could potentially air a chopped-up, half-assed version of Sasuke-with only ANW competitors-before TBS airs the real thing. That'll drive me nuts. If G4 does 6-8 episodes and airs 2 a week like they did last time the Americans should be running the course the same time TBS debuts Sasuke 26 on their soil. So I'm not too worried about American getting a first-look at the course before Japan does. It also helps a little that we will see a Sasuke 26 in March. Before with Sasuke 23 G4 wasn't even going to put it out until they heard complaints from the fanbase. At least there's some acknowledgment from G4 that recognizes its audience cares about the Japanese competitors too. I'm not a fan of how it's coming out 3 months later. That has potential for weak ratings and giving G4 more power over M9/TBS to leverage what they want Sasuke to be.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 27, 2010 13:25:12 GMT -5
The format though is my concern. Why delete the ANW guys and put them 3 months ahead of time? For those who are patiently waiting for the G4 broadcast.. it's going to be incomplete.. again..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 27, 2010 13:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by japantv1210 on Oct 27, 2010 14:29:26 GMT -5
Like many of you, I'm extremely mixed about this descision, and I'm hoping that they'll air the Americans' runs after the Sasuke airdate in Japan. I wish they'd air the entire tournament together too. I love spoilers, but I'm not gonna risk having the excitement of the actual broadcast ruined, because G4 wants to air only the Americans' runs first. If the Americans' runs are aired first, I probably won't watch it. I'd only watch the trials.
It would be interesting to see what kind of effect airing the Americans' runs before Sasuke is broadcast in Japan would have on the ratings though. I would think that if word got out enough that a decent amount of people would switch off their televisions when the Americans' runs are shown, assuming they air them before the airdate. Then, maybe G4 would actually reconsider the way they've been formatting the show recently.
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Post by RobbyMac on Oct 27, 2010 14:32:08 GMT -5
I'm sure some of the lucky American Trial Guys' families and friends would love to watch the broadcast with just the Americans in one sitting. Just saying......
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Post by cole77000 on Oct 27, 2010 14:34:34 GMT -5
That is generally a pretty small number of people though.
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Post by RobbyMac on Oct 27, 2010 14:38:55 GMT -5
This is likely G4's argument. The casual fan doesn't care about the tournament. They want to sit down and watch people run the course and enjoy it when they succeed or wipe out. The casual fan isn't likely to be too upset if they miss an episode. Say like Sasuke 13 was airing on Wednesday. They catch the 2 episodes of the 1st stage. Thursday they miss stages 2 and 3 but Friday Sasuke 7 is on. They'll watch it anyway and won't be too worried about the result. I'm not 100% for G4 but I am against people bitching about it all the time. Without G4, most of us wouldn't be here....
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Post by Badalight on Oct 27, 2010 15:08:12 GMT -5
I will not watch ANW, that's for sure.
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 27, 2010 18:45:51 GMT -5
I for one don't mind that they excised the Americans from 23 after the first ANW. Usually when I watch Ninja Warrior I get tired of seeing the overdone replays and backstories of EVERY American competitor on there. Imagine sitting through 10 of those! That'd take two whole episodes. I'll be happy to see the Americans separate from 26.
I'm much more piqued in what G4 did at the ANW House. Who knows what criteria they used to whittle the numbers down from 15 to 10. That process I think has greater potential to aggravate this fanbase than the format.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Oct 27, 2010 20:23:39 GMT -5
I for one don't mind that they excised the Americans from 23 after the first ANW. Usually when I watch Ninja Warrior I get tired of seeing the overdone replays and backstories of EVERY American competitor on there. Imagine sitting through 10 of those! That'd take two whole episodes. I'll be happy to see the Americans separate from 26. I'm much more piqued in what G4 did at the ANW House. Who knows what criteria they used to whittle the numbers down from 15 to 10. That process I think has greater potential to aggravate this fanbase than the format. I found it hilarious that Haislip and Herter were asked to say "but only ten will be going to Japan" that's more than double of what we've ever got to see go in the past. Why don't they just clarify that letting that many proceed to the real course is really a godsend? there should be no feeling that the chances of getting to Japan are second to none. As for the back story/insight to each American happening on NW, hah that would not happen. They only did it on ANW because they had the time necessary, on NW some of the weaker runs would be digested and everything else is as normal.
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Post by lars072 on Oct 27, 2010 21:12:48 GMT -5
I don't watch G4 (yes, it's tough I know) but it seems to me that the majority of SASUKE fans there prefer watching other competitors and not just the American ANW people. Am I wrong?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 27, 2010 22:23:19 GMT -5
I don't watch G4 (yes, it's tough I know) but it seems to me that the majority of SASUKE fans there prefer watching other competitors and not just the American ANW people. Am I wrong? That is correct. The critical difference is that the ones interested in ANW are the ones enslaved to it since it is literally the ONLY way they can get to Japan now. Again.. thanks to G4. So by not supporting it they feel it necessary to do so in order to preserve their one and only shot. A bit of a curse if you ask me. Personally I don't care about ANW anymore since G4 has the right to do wtf they want with it especially since thanks to them TBS/M9 gave them free reign because of the money they make from the ANW license. What bothers me is how that has distorted the original broadcast of NW in this country. If they were left separate I doubt there would be any problems. I've just about ignored ANC1-4 until G4 started to distort the original TBS broadcast to delete other competitors that were shown in the TBS broadcast to reincorporate the cut ANW people that failed. Given that now the broadcast is basically useless worldwide now since it celebrates G4 as a station .. that only exists in the USA.. why would anyone outside of the USA even buy that?
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Post by gtoneko on Oct 28, 2010 2:04:00 GMT -5
This is a definite damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal through and through. Personally, I don't mind ANW, mainly with the fact that as alot of us recall, we didn't see everyone who was part of ANW compete except for those that did clear. While they did get the Fast Forward treatment, I was still actually curious to see how they actually did. Hence, that's where ANW came along and at least answered the details of what went down for them.
When it comes to the G4 broadcast of the tournaments, yeah, we all know the hack job they usually do, but again, we all have to remember that we're not the only ones who enjoy watching this show. As it was mentioned before, you've got alot of casual fans out there who'll at least enjoy watching the show and not worry too much about the details/backround info on most of the competitors; whereas for us who are on here, we prefer to have the details/background info since it brings an in depth feel of the competition.
So again, it's the ole catch-22 damned if you do, damned if you don't situation where I'll take what I can get and get the ideal showing of it all on here/online when the time comes.
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