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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 19:31:01 GMT -5
I know we've started so many competitor threads, but didn't Kanno hit the side of the Salmon Ladder in 23? When he was climbing the Salmon Ladder he dropped two rungs (TAHT Koji Yamada in 19), and he hit the side. I'm pretty sure that there's an opposal to that, but that happened to Satoshi Nakamura in the same tourney.
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Post by thatoneuser on Sept 13, 2010 19:45:47 GMT -5
Touching the sides is allowed.
Using the sides to hold you up (as Nakamura did) is disallowed.
Answer your question?
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Post by TCM on Sept 13, 2010 19:45:58 GMT -5
He hit the side (because of momentum), but he recovered on his own power aka he didn't need support from the sides of the frame. Thus, it's legal.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 13, 2010 19:57:06 GMT -5
It's legal because it was unavoidable and he hit it with his hands very briefly.. Nakamura Satoshi pretty much intentionally spider walked his legs between the walls which is illegal.. This was explained before
The only reason I can figure out why hands are legal are because of holding the bar wrong is possible and they didn't want to completely rob someone
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Post by arsenette on Sept 13, 2010 19:59:49 GMT -5
Using an out of bounds section as a prop to pass the obstacle is what causes the disqualification. Briefly touching it but not causing him to pass the obstacle is legal. (i.e. Nagano resting his leg on the support beam - he didn't require that part of the obstacle to pass the obstacle). Also same obstacle (Spider Flip) Kanno not only rested on the obstacle's support section he just plain stopped there. Had that not been there for him to recover.. he would have been in the water. Salmon Ladder he touched it but not "Rested" on it. Otherwise they would have stopped him.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 13, 2010 23:13:48 GMT -5
One more thing to consider.. If he WAS Disqualified.. They wouldn't have let him run Stages 3 and then the Final Stage.. So you guys seem to be reading too much into this...
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Post by arsenette on Sept 14, 2010 0:37:42 GMT -5
One more thing to consider.. If he WAS Disqualified.. They wouldn't have let him run Stages 3 and then the Final Stage.. So you guys seem to be reading too much into this... Amen  |
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Post by intelligentinfer on Sept 14, 2010 5:42:14 GMT -5
There are currently 3 known ways to get DQ'd on the Salmon Ladder:
1. Use your legs like Nakamura in 23
2. Touch the water like Urushihara in 25
3. The bar falls into the water like Sato in 23.
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Post by supersheep on Sept 14, 2010 8:36:39 GMT -5
Ummm
The bar didn't fall in the water for Hashimoto, and touching the water has been the obvious answer since Sasuke 1
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 14, 2010 12:35:59 GMT -5
Infer.. You might want to see this.. It's Kouji's 23 Salmon Ladder attempt  Only Jun failed by bringing the bar off the notches.. Yuuji kind of did in 25 too but technically that was after he failed... And technically Touching the Water and Timing Out (As Yamada and almost Washimi proved in 19, it's possible) always count as DQs  |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 14, 2010 20:20:01 GMT -5
DQ is not a fail.. a fail is a fail.. DQ is when you have to stop because you broke a rule. I think ya'll are interchanging the terms a bit too much.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 14, 2010 22:01:09 GMT -5
I thought technically every fail technically ruled as a Disqualification.. The rules say you can't touch the water so you're disqualified by touching it.. You're not allowed to go past the time limit so if you run out of time you're disqualified..
Make sense?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 14, 2010 22:09:11 GMT -5
I thought technically every fail technically ruled as a Disqualification.. The rules say you can't touch the water so you're disqualified by touching it.. You're not allowed to go past the time limit so if you run out of time you're disqualified.. Make sense? No you are over simplifying to a fault. If every fail was a DQ.. then they would list it that way. It's a FAIL.. nothing could stop them from passing the obstacle. A DQ is that they actually DID pass it by illegal means (hanging on to things.. foot went out of bounds) and had to be stopped. See the difference? |
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Post by Badalight on Sept 14, 2010 22:39:58 GMT -5
it's the same thing.
Touching the water is a DQ as it is out of bounds.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 14, 2010 23:07:52 GMT -5
Bada yes that's a DQ but what Rider is saying is what I'm disagreeing. Rider is saying EVERY SINGLE Fail is a DQ when it's not..
Failing an obstacle is a lack of skill or just bad luck. Trying to save yourself from failing and trying to move on is a DQ.
Stopping Nakamura for resting his foot on the Salmon Ladder (DQ not fail and LISTED as DQ)
Nagano (18 SCH) for touching the outside frame - DQ's although he stopped himself.
Kevin Pereira had to be stopped even though we all know his feet were in the water. Listed as DQ
See the difference? They either had to be stopped or they stopped otherwise they could have continued on as if nothing happened.
Things like Levi's rerun in 25 was not a DQ because the rule specifically for the Dome steps was not properly communicated (since it was done before in the other steps). He had to be stopped as well.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 15, 2010 0:08:20 GMT -5
I mean from a literal rules standpoint..
Although you won't argue about if it's something like Jump Hang/Slider Jump foot dips
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Post by arsenette on Sept 15, 2010 0:21:43 GMT -5
I mean from a literal rules standpoint.. Although you won't argue about if it's something like Jump Hang/Slider Jump foot dips .. I am talking about literal rules standpoint I think you are too enamored with calling everything a DQ when there is a distinct definition Anyway.. back to topic.. oh yeah.. we did answer the question |
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Post by supersheep on Sept 15, 2010 0:26:21 GMT -5
In Sasuke 22 Kanno was DQed on the Spider Flip, in Sasuke 23 Takeda Failed the Spider Flip.
I think that sums it up.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 15, 2010 1:28:47 GMT -5
I mean from a literal rules standpoint.. Although you won't argue about if it's something like Jump Hang/Slider Jump foot dips .. I am talking about literal rules standpoint I think you are too enamored with calling everything a DQ when there is a distinct definition Anyway.. back to topic.. oh yeah.. we did answer the question I think you're missing the point.. I still call fails "fails".. But technically M9 rules all fails as a DQ.. Although to simplify things lets just officially call what we refer to DQs as alternate DQs yet still just normally say disqualified.. But technically there are three ways to get DQ'd.. 1: Touching the Water 2: Timing Out 3: Course Out There... Have we officially laid this to rest? |
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Post by arsenette on Sept 15, 2010 1:43:37 GMT -5
But technically M9 rules all fails as a DQ. Where are on Earth are you inventing this from? M9 doesn't rule that way. TBS on their broadcasts goes to great lengths to mark DQ when there is one. It's exceptionally rare. But technically there are three ways to get DQ'd.. 1: Touching the Water 2: Timing Out 3: Course Out There... Have we officially laid this to rest? 1. Only when you skim it is it a DQ. If you fall into the water you failed whatever obstacle you missed (like Nagano in 25.. he missed the Circle Slider.. he didn't DQ hitting the water...) Akiyama skimming the water was a DQ, Kevin hitting the water dismounting the Log Grip is a DQ. 2. Absolutely not.. that is not a DQ. You failed to finish in time is not a DQ.. 3. Yes. That's the only thing in the list you gave that is an actual DQ. |
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