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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 20:56:28 GMT -5
I think it's pretty cool actually. At least now we can root for a particular American instead of just 10 unrecognizable Americans. At least now they can compete. There's AT LEAST a winner in some form.
You guys are making such a big deal out of this. There's so much more fail coming out of G4 right now, like the fact that 10 Americans are going in the first place, as well as the way they are cutting the field down from 15 to 10 sounds stupid.
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Post by TCM on Jul 24, 2010 22:12:36 GMT -5
penguin: Yeah, it's just between the Americans G4 brings. Say an American living in Japan at the time won, he wouldn't get the money. @jp: Well a boot camp sounds a hell of a lot more promising than the final we got in the first ANW. Showed how well the course is didn't it? Only one new guy cleared the first stage.
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Post by Oti on Jul 24, 2010 23:22:05 GMT -5
It depends what this "boot camp" consists of. Who's to say it won't have more stupid tire runs and brick stacking?
The thing some of you seem to be missing is the fact that as "easy" as ANW looked, it sure as hell killed some of the top competitors. David couldn't stop tripping he was so tired. Chris couldn't make it through the Spider Climb. Brian (BaronBK) was taken out by the Pipe Slider, a fairly easy obstacle. Russelis (Blackie Chan) couldn't do the jumping bars, despite having a lot of experience with bars (and I assume jumping between them). Aaron (Ultimask8er) failed the rope swing (as did many others). These people are some of our best potential-competitors. They put the most into their training and they really have potential. But they all failed. With that in mind... If some of our top Sasuke-hopefuls have this much trouble on an "easy" mock course, how would they have fared on a harder one? They probably would've done even worse.
Also, consider the other hundreds and hundreds of people who try out. Not everyone can handle the stuff we can. G4 doesn't want to make a course so hard everyone will fail except a select few. That's horrible television (think Sasuke 19).
What G4 SHOULD do (and hopefully is doing this time) is have multiple courses set up. A simple, fairly easy course for stage one, a harder course for stage two and a very hard course for stage three. As the courses progress, they become more and more relevant to Sasuke. Stage one can have, for example, a little Jumping Spider and Pipe Slider and stuff, but stage two needs to be harder and more relevant. Jump Hang, Warped Wall, Salmon Ladder... all mixed in with some simpler things. Then, stage three could be totally relevant and hard as hell. With this approach, tons of people can try out and do fairly well in the beginning, but by the end, the weaklings are weeded out and we have a small team of people we know will do well.
Or at least that's how I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 23:59:37 GMT -5
The trials should be easier than the actual course. I thought ANW1 had perfect difficulty.
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Post by Oti on Jul 25, 2010 0:42:13 GMT -5
What's the point in sending people to Sasuke who have no chance at winning? It's possible someone from ANW could have won, but with ANW being too easy/irrelevant, it was a toss-up. We should KNOW the people we're sending will do well, given they don't just mess up (their foot slips, they hit the water by accident, etc.). We should have trials that are as hard as or harder than Sasuke. That way, when someone DOES get through, we know they can handle whatever M9 throws at 'em. In my opinion, at least.
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Post by Anshin on Jul 25, 2010 0:59:30 GMT -5
What's the point in sending people to Sasuke who have no chance at winning? It's possible someone from ANW could have won, but with ANW being too easy/irrelevant, it was a toss-up. We should KNOW the people we're sending will do well, given they don't just mess up (their foot slips, they hit the water by accident, etc.). We should have trials that are as hard as or harder than Sasuke. That way, when someone DOES get through, we know they can handle whatever M9 throws at 'em. In my opinion, at least. This post is made of win.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 25, 2010 1:02:52 GMT -5
I'm still convinced that G4 is paving the way to get ANW as the only Sasuke in the market. It's just a feeling. I have no confirmation.. just a feeling.. so the fact that they are announcing that they managed to get $250k for an American Winner is only proof to me that they are serious about taking over Sasuke. As far as M9 is concerned I'm sure they are looking at this, in this economy, as a way to turn over the license and stop Sasuke in Japan and move on to something else. Again.. IMO. What I find amusing about this $250k is the fact that they were so damn poor in Sasuke 24 to not send American representatives to that tournament. Well this just sounds like paranoia...g4 would have no reason to want to cancel sasuke, to the contrary, they're keeping it alive. In Sasuke 24 they were planning on sending Levi Brian O. and Rich, but the 3 of them had prior obligations and could not make it. It wasn't because they couldn't afford to send anyone.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 25, 2010 1:11:21 GMT -5
I'm curious how the word will be when Japan and Taiwan starts to react to this. I won't expect much for a couple weeks but so far well over 100 people in 3 hours in Japan have read it. Hasn't hit mixi yet.. that number will quadruple after that. I'm curious what the outcome will be. Are you hoping for people to be upset? I don't think negative energy will keep keep something (Sasuke) alive. If that is what your goal is.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 25, 2010 1:12:25 GMT -5
No one from G4 will ever get KANZENSEIHA! The end lol! I think this is going to be my sig!
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 25, 2010 1:30:17 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm replying to stuff way late that's already been discussed, anyway I'm super busy and I gotta sleep, so I'm out!
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Post by TCM on Jul 25, 2010 2:21:16 GMT -5
What's the point in sending people to Sasuke who have no chance at winning? It's possible someone from ANW could have won, but with ANW being too easy/irrelevant, it was a toss-up. We should KNOW the people we're sending will do well, given they don't just mess up (their foot slips, they hit the water by accident, etc.). We should have trials that are as hard as or harder than Sasuke. That way, when someone DOES get through, we know they can handle whatever M9 throws at 'em. In my opinion, at least. Well to provide a small counterargument, what about 22's trials in Japan? A tug-of-war, a race (as a last chance qualifier I believe), a balance beam, the Sosoritatsu Kabe/Hill Climb, and a vault over a pole. Not exactly Sasuke-course difficulty, and we got our eventual 3rd champion from there two tournamets later. I agree ANW was irrelevant, I just disagree we need a trials harder than the real thing, as it's not needed per my example.
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Post by Oti on Jul 25, 2010 3:25:33 GMT -5
I agree with you, but like I said before, having a trial that is too easy makes getting an American winner (or even just someone who goes far) a toss-up. Skilled competitors DID get through ANW (Levi, Brian, Shane, etc.), but we (as Americans) were lucky they got that far. They could have just as easily failed an early obstacle because they weren't prepared, and they weren't prepared because ANW was too easy and quite irrelevant.
You're absolutely right. We don't need a hard trial system at all to get some great competitors going to Japan. I firmly believe, however, that if we want the best of the best, G4 needs to crank up the difficulty.
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Post by SRW on Jul 25, 2010 5:38:24 GMT -5
No one from G4 will ever get KANZENSEIHA! The end lol! I think this is going to be my sig! You sig it my friend you sig it! You cannot deny though man its a silly time to offer a prize like this especially in light of the course having just been redesigned since Yuujis win. I could understand it more if say there had been 3 or 4 tournaments with this course now and people are more familier but its still raw new at the moment. The implication that anyone is going to just go over there beat the course - especially a stage 3 no one has come close yet and then go on to beat a totally unknown new final stage is just ludicrus.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 25, 2010 8:37:49 GMT -5
Well that's just it, they aren't expecting to tave to pay out any time soon.
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Post by TCM on Jul 25, 2010 11:53:30 GMT -5
Exactly David, I would assume it's about a 98% chance of 26 ending without a winner. That 2% is for those miracle days Sasuke sometimes have As much as I am displeased with how much it is (like I said on the G4 board, it's 10 times what any other competitor would receive, not to mention the American would get both prizes), the timing for it is great. It's your first trial since 23, you know there will be a significant increase of competitors after two tournaments without one.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 25, 2010 12:49:50 GMT -5
The problem is if you make a course really really difficult, even a trial, is then that also becomes a toss up.
Sasuke 19's problem wasn't really the difficulty as much as it was a couple of very random obstacles. The Jumping Spider was so slick that day that if you hit the wrong spot with your foot even if you had perform form you still slip off. The Flying Chute of course is as random as it gets. So you actually might end up taking down the best competitors just on bad luck.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 14:08:28 GMT -5
I'm still convinced that G4 is paving the way to get ANW as the only Sasuke in the market. It's just a feeling. I have no confirmation.. just a feeling.. so the fact that they are announcing that they managed to get $250k for an American Winner is only proof to me that they are serious about taking over Sasuke. As far as M9 is concerned I'm sure they are looking at this, in this economy, as a way to turn over the license and stop Sasuke in Japan and move on to something else. Again.. IMO. What I find amusing about this $250k is the fact that they were so damn poor in Sasuke 24 to not send American representatives to that tournament. Well this just sounds like paranoia...g4 would have no reason to want to cancel sasuke, to the contrary, they're keeping it alive. In Sasuke 24 they were planning on sending Levi Brian O. and Rich, but the 3 of them had prior obligations and could not make it. It wasn't because they couldn't afford to send anyone. Sasuke 24 if you remember correctly didn't send anyone in their place and when quite a few people including you asked if they can be put in their place they specifically said they can't afford to send anyone in their place. Those words specifically were used as their reason for not sending anyone. Seems you forgot?
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 14:09:58 GMT -5
I'm curious how the word will be when Japan and Taiwan starts to react to this. I won't expect much for a couple weeks but so far well over 100 people in 3 hours in Japan have read it. Hasn't hit mixi yet.. that number will quadruple after that. I'm curious what the outcome will be. Are you hoping for people to be upset? I don't think negative energy will keep keep something (Sasuke) alive. If that is what your goal is. I'm praying for Sasuke in Japan to continue. Pissing off the core audience who keep this alive is not a way to keep the show on the air in Japan. Sasuke in the USA is going nowhere anytime soon. It's too new and there's much furvur here in this country. It's waning in Japan BIG time and that's what is bothering me.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 25, 2010 14:39:35 GMT -5
It sounds more like G4 is trying to just create a Wipeout clone to me.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 14:45:12 GMT -5
I admire what they are trying to do but to throw that in the face of people who legally can't get to it is just bad form. Again and I repeat it.. I don't care if G4 does it HERE in the USA if it's tied directly to ANW.. just .. don't involve Sasuke since it's discriminatory to put that kind of cash to just a small group of people when everyone else can't have it.. in the SAME SHOW.
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